'Neg the target'

'DHV the obstacle'

These are the famous lines Mystery has used.

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I do not claim this to be anywhere near the best opener out there, but I found this to work well on me. It conveys disinterest while shooting some serious DHV spikes

"Hey I need a female opinion on something, there's this girl I used to date but still friends with back when I lived in (insert exotic place) and she asked me if I think she got bigger. Because she models, its apparently an extra big deal! I personally think she did, but she looks healthier. But you just can't tell that to a girl because she will freak out! What do you guys think?"

Basically main DHVs: lived in exotic countries (true in my case) and dated models (not yet)

After that I tend to go and talk about how most guys think dating models is all props and awesome, but how its stressful because they are under huge pressure to comform to a certain body type etc. or if they ask, I'll say yeah I lived in Asia and the Middle East and throw some DHV stories



Let me know what you guys think, I tried it about 8 times and 6 times it worked well

So you open up by telling a group of people that you lived in an exotic country and dated a model, and their BS meter doesn't fucking explode? Mine is going crazy right now.

The theory of perception plays a great role in this opener. As long as you live up to being someone who WOULD date an exotic model, nobody really knows the difference. It's the image you portray.... If you want to date models, they have to know you're a man who is of the caliber of a models boyfriend.

No offense but I think this is a really bad opener. Starting off with "excuse me" is beta as fuck. I don't ask for a girls name until I get a few IOIs or if she asks for my name first. The idea is to make her chase you, not the other way around. But the worst part of this opener is that it's generic. It's the same way anyone introduces themselves to a friend's friend, a co-worker, a neighbor, etc. There is nothing memorable about it, and if your idea is to set yourself apart from every other AFC, than you're failing because this is the opener that every "nice guy" uses. Having confidence does not necessarily mean you have good game. I'm all for neutral openers, but there is nothing good about this one. I'm sure this would work from time to time, but I can guarantee you any success you've had isn't because of your opener.

The words 'excuse me' are simply manners. Starting with it shows you have some class; that you don't interrupt two people talking by simply talking over them. You don't say it like 'please sir... I'd like some more', you say it like you have something important to say. That's not beta at all. Beta would be being afraid to approach in the first place. Alphas approach.

The name thing is at your discretion, you say you make her chase you... but what's she chasing, your name? It depends what kind of opener you go in with. If you go direct and say 'Excuse me, you looked cute so I thought I'd introduce myself...' and don't say your name afterwards you're gonna look like an idiot. However if you go indirect the name might not come up. Seriously though don't focus too much on making her chase you early on, especially when it's just your name.

Now, you say that a simple direct opener is not going to guarantee success, which is true because it's how you say it and act that's so much more important. What you've got to bear in mind is that the other 1000 guys have dead giveaways that they're just some annoying perv, some beta loser, some drunk arsehole or just plain shitting their pants and want to GTFO. You say 'Excuse me' like you have something important to say. You say 'Hi, you look nice. I'm ****' while your gentle smile and eye contact project sexual energy. She will feel it.

The reason this works is because even if two absolutely beautiful people meet and the guy says 'Wow you're hot, let's fuck' the woman will be very conscious of the fact all her friends and everyone else within earshot just heard you talk to her like a slut, and if she reacts positively (even if she really wants to) then that makes her look like a slut. Girls want to be fucked, but they don't want everyone to know, remember that. Even if saying she looks nice is 'beta' the way in which you say it could make her instantly attracted to you, while not making her feel like a slut when she shows it. Ya dig?

Also, this does make you stick out from the crowd because you were direct, you were polite in a classy way and your tone of voice and body language were good. You were comfortable saying that to her and you KNEW that she wouldn't jump on your cock just because you said she looked nice. That's a mistake a lot of guys make too. So to sum it up, a simple direct opener is great but you follow it up. If there's a moment of silence, you say 'Tell me a little about yourself'. Get her talking. There you go! Confident, comfortable conversation fueled by balls, intelligence and sexual energy.

If you disagree I am open to any criticism as I am not an expert myself. Hope it helps dude :]

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The best opener EVER is:

"Hi!".

Thats it. No lies no nothing. It's all about body language, no matter how good you are.

The conversation topic is more essential.

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Is there anything wrong with this style? Perhabs you could tell me.

This flaming makes no sense.

I see opening like a big deal sometimes, and other times its just a little thing. With easy to go girls, openes like "Hi RANDOMSHIT (I need a famela opinion on something, blablabla)" And maybe with lower HB's girls (more insecure), i go for more deeper openings, some that can develop a conversation arround it, and then proceed easily into mid-game.

Absolutely. Ever hear the saying "first impressions are everything"? You're first impression by saying "Hi" is lame and not memorable at all. The key is to be MEMORABLE.

it's just an opener dude. no big deal, it's job is to open. what matter is how you deliver it, your body language, voice tone, your confidence, convo skills and physical escalation etc...

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I do not intend to start an angry juvenile fight (sorry DirectMike and the other bloke, but thats what it escalated to, take a step back and read your argument, so unconstructive and childish), so I'm going to make sure it only stays civil and constructive.

Mr. Jowee, I lived 2 years in Angola, 6 years in Egypt, and 2 years in Indonesia. To me, living abroad isn't even under discussion, its who I am. It permeates my being. Like some are natural at picking up women, I have a natural "exotic" aura around me. If a girl playfully shit tests me in this aspect, I playfully neg her. If she acts bit bitchy and says "you are full of shit", I don't get fazed, look at her with a neutral gaze and say "Well, that's dandy for you. I don't need for you to believe me, that's who I am, you can choose to believe me or not, either way it's irrelevant to me (AND turn her back on her and talk to her friends)".

Btw, for the record, that last reply goes to you as well mate, nothing personal not meant to insult, just no need to get so critical! relax, we are all here because we can help each other out, and we got each other's back! I did say I haven't dated a model yet but working on it, so I'm not trying to look all fancy on the forum.

Same way naturals in pick up don't need to change anything about their game, I don't need to fake anything about living abroad and the experiences I went through, just incorporate a DHV thing like dating models, tweak it a bit basically. And same as with naturals with pickup, that doesn't mean someone else can't take what others do naturally and make it their own. Your opener can include a country, then if they ask about it its the perfect moment to include a DHV story. I learned that guys and girls are so intrigued by what I tell them about living in a completely different reality then they know. It makes you exotic, mysterious, cultured, knowledgeable etc. But to pull it off, you need to not push it too far, so you can hold congruency. Enough for it to stick, but not so much it becomes impossible for you to hold up.

Appreciate the positive feedback majikal, its a lot about inner confidence and congruency indeed. I try hard to just be genuinely unfazed by these beautiful girls I'm approaching, and genuinely feel as if, "So fucking what you're pretty? Beauty is common, let's see what else is there from these girls"