Alright so heres my back story.. As a young teenager 14-16 I was pretty fat, Always the slowest kid and felt kinda left out in terms of getting girls (always had a ton of friends though). I think thats why I have troubles initiating the first part of kinoing, I dont want to feel rejected like before. I even have troubles just trying to get myself to hold a girls hand! Its Pathetic!

Now im 6 foot 4 and in great shape , I exercise 6 days a week for about 2 hours so I'm strong and have a good body. I always dress nicely no matter where I go and gel my hair and have good hygene. However I still cant bring myself to start any kinoing and I know that I have too or im going to get friendzoned every time. What are some times to get into the kinoing aspect of hanging out with a girl? Also how do I get into the mindset of I dont give a shit and to just go for it? p.s Most of the time I cant do it unless I have almost deffinete proof that she likes me.. (I know that its pathetic)

With girls I dont like I can do it some what, but with any girls that I actually want to have a thing with, I just cant do it.

A man with a problem i once had. I can safely say kinoing is so simple if used with the correct amount of confidence. I found that the more i worried about touching a girl the more awkward it appeared when i did it in turn making the girl feel uncomfortable as well as making me look like a clueless fool. My best advice is to start off with kino that suggests very little, maybe a hug on meeting or a light tap on the arm to get her attention just small things like that which will not alert her to your underlying desire nor will it make you feel awkward. You can then gauge her responses and build kino from there. I personally like to use a palm reading routine as it is a perfect oppertunity to kino her much more all whilst still having a good reason and from the palm reading routine you can easily transition into somewhat more intimate kino as you already have her hand in yours. The bottom line is always be sure of yourself and dont make any half assed attempts at kino just go for it, if she rejects it then punish her by turning away etc etc and then try again until you have built up enough comfort and attraction for her to allow the kino.

Alright thanks alot! I'll try that out, just start off small and work my way up I guess! Any other suggestions ?

its not gonna be rainbow and sunshine.
its gonna be awkward and shitty.
life is full of awkward shits.
your choice.
accept the fact you're not that cool and smooth.
first 100s of kino try out will be embarrassing and awkward as hell.

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Honestly, you need to establish a certain set of procedures you follow when gaming women. None of this business of treating each woman differently and waiting for this or that to happen as a "sign" of what to do next. All women are looking to be with a man sexually, as long as the man is competent. When you fail to act, you show her that you are sexually incompetent.

I've been trying to get with this girl recently and from the outset she was like "We're going out just as friends, right?" She immediately tried to friendzone me right out the gate. But I rejected her frame and told her that she was too pretty for me to ever settle for just being friends with. I moved in and kiss closed her at the movie, eventhough she didn't really want to. The other night I convinced her to get into the back of my car eventhough she refused for a minute or two before finally relenting. Then we made out and made her show me her ass. Got her to go home with me, didn't f-close, but I at least got some more play. The point is, always escalating.

Now that won't always work with some girls. They might think you are a creep and stop contacting you. Yet with others it might actually work and you'll get some action like the way I'm doing. Either way, you guarantee yourself a result, whether it's good or bad. The way your doing it, the pussy AFC way, will rarely get you a result. You'll just continually get friendzoned and maybe she'll get with you one day and maybe she won't. But that does you no good, as you already know.

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Wow thanks alot guys ill keep that in mind! Any other tips?!

Tough love: Best advice... grow a pair.

I struggled with this too in teenage/early college years. Then I started just going for it. surprisingly I had way better responses when I just man'd up and went for it than when i tried to be smooth or polite about it. Now I know, the second you get that rush feeling or moment of wanting to make a move, thats the moment you throw caution to the wind and just do it. Worst that happens is she pulls away. big deal.

Just one example in particular was meeting this girl for about half an hour then (skipping details) ending up in an elevator together. I got that feeling and just turned and grabbed her and started making out and groping her against the wall. the second the elevator dinged for the floor I just stopped and walked out like nothing happend. 20 minutes later we were getting it on in the only private spot we could find. She told me after it was the "hotest thing any guy had ever done to her". case and point.

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-Psych3r-

This.

I have pretty much come to the same conclusion over the years. The thing is, no woman will ever tell you that this is the type of things they like. They'll tell you they want a sweet guy who treats them well, when in reality what turns them on the most is a guy who simulates some fucked up violent rape role playing with her, or master/slave domination.

Sometimes you have to do things that you not only think she isn't comfortable with, but that YOU aren't comfortable with. And you just go for it and see what happens.

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being able to touch a girl is a skill that must be written on your resume.

build your confidence first and then escalate. (anyway, escalating without confidence is better than doing nothing, right?)

don't rush with obsessive touching; instead, make yourself comfortable with kino through these simple things.
greeting her, give her a hug; saying good bye, give her a nice handshake (look perfect girl-handshakes on youtube! Neil Strauss episode one, the guy gives perfect handshakes to girls); if her nails are not colored in black, take her hand gently and express something good about her nailcolor.

it would be even better to design your own greeting or goodbye for that particular girls. these greetings create very comfortable emotional connection in the beginning of a each date.

one of the best things you can do before doing kino, is to think about the movements, about the situation, inputs and outputs. you should not do that during the date. think about greeting, good bye, nail-kino, other kinos, Before the date. Imagine that in the greatest detail.

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I have seen too much not to know that the impression of a woman may be more valuable than the conclusion of an analytical reasoner.

Build a lot of comfort first then once you're comfortable. start to tease her and play fight with her as you would as a kid. This is a good way to start having playful kino. Slowly move this kino into more sexual kino such as when play fighting hold her hands to stop her hitting you and stare into her eyes. Touch her leg to tell her leg is in the way and always maintain eye contact whilst you do these things. Whilst eye contact is maintained she doesn’t really care how you touch her if it is in reason. Hope this helps goo. luck

I could imagine this sort of thing happening in a Hollywood movie. I do believe such a feat is possible to do; however, the chances of it actually succeeding in real life are quite slim. For example: What if she had a boyfriend, or is engaged? What if she called security on your ass afterwards because she felt violated? There are so many factors that are working against you. Life's always not a movie, but in order for this to work, you gotta have balls the size of Saturn's moons.

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"I've learned it's important not to limit yourself. You can do whatever you really love to do, no matter what it is." - Ryan Gosling

limiting belief at its finest.
and huge LOGISTICS.

big risk = big reward

if you really wanna get the girl,
you shouldnt afraid to lose her in first place.

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Yeah, maybe you's right. My bad

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"I've learned it's important not to limit yourself. You can do whatever you really love to do, no matter what it is." - Ryan Gosling

So guys... theres this girl and She texted me saying that Pita pit pitas are really good so I told her we were going for them the next day at lunch (we are in the last year of highschool)

So next day comes, I greet her by her locker and we walk to my car, we have a good conversation and I learnt alot about her through out the entire lunch... didnt do any kino which I bet is super stupid of me and basically shows I still have no balls... I Read this forum page today and realize the stuff I did wrong.. Going to take another girl out just to chill this weekend and ill let you know how it goes! Going to use all the stuff you guys told me.. Any other tips for hanging out with a girl and introducing kino between us?!