Realizing that online dating is a lost cause.

Seriously... The situations that I have encountered blow my mind.
Example: I was having a conversation with this beautiful Russian American girl a few days ago. She was literally responding with about 90 seconds of every one of my messages. After about 4 or 5 messages, she stops messaging back and blocks me. Yes I said that correctly, BLOCKS ME from interacting with her as if I have been harassing her. I seriously am starting to think that 95% of women are absolutely crazy. There is just no logic to the results Im getting.
I have messaged about 324 different girls within the past 7 weeks between the 2 websites I am using. I have been using tight openers and advanced theory behind online gaming presented from over 5 different well known PUA's. I managed to get four phone numbers and one of those numbers led to a meet up, the other three flaked on the day of meeting up.
About 94% of those 324 girls didn't even bother to respond to the opener. The remaining 6% went cold after about 8 or 9 messages. I've had to re-open the sets again and again and again many times because they obviously got distracted or temporarily lost interest.
I did have some very attractive HB's 9's and 10's engage in conversation but they would take about 8 or 9 days just to respond with about 3 or 4 words.
To top it all off some, of the openers I've used from PUA's like Cajun have received 'WTF??' type responses.
Seriously does anybody else have to deal with this mess. POF = Plenty of Flakes. OKC not as bad, but still not that great either.

The numbers don't lie.

My profile=http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=48762507

biggest joke awards goes to ONLINE GAME.
and the second place goes to CLUB GAME.

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I agreed. Online game is mostly for SNLs and testing out new materials. You still have to put yourself out there to practice and gain experiences in person in order to really improve your game, not hiding behind the computers.

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I think in online gaming it's also important to pick your target well. I dunno if it's because I go after a certain demographic of girls (And the fact I mostly online sarge on OKC) but I get decent rates of responses to my messages. Except I guess I get a lot more involved in my messages, I never use canned openers or material. A lot is about your profile and pictures as well.

I wouldn't say online dating is the best for lays though, it's definitely not worth the effort if you're just looking for a fuck buddy or a one night. However if you're looking to meet a girl because you're moving to a new town or in a perspective of actual dating, I think it's a pretty good tool.

I'm currently experiencing the same thing.... which is weird, because a year ago before I took a break I was pulling #s like no one's business and had never once had to deal with a flake.... most of my dates resulted in SNLs, too. Now, flakes and cold #s are all I'm getting.

My suggestion is that if you have other options to meet girls, use those instead. Online dating should be a supplement at best. The only reason I'm putting up with this bullshit is because i'm dealing with a lot of crap that currently prevents me from going out meeting girls. No straight man should ever have to rely on online dating as his primary source of meeting girls. It's pure torture for the mind.

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My guess is that you are being too robotic. You are keeping stats like it's an NHL game. You've even admitted to using the same opener for 324 girls. WHAT??? Girls are good at finding cookie cutting openers, and likely the 94% smelled the bullshit from a mile away. Openers should be unique for every girl... You need to respond to something in her profile to know that you aren't being a robot sending spam to 323 other girls.

For the girls who take days to respond -- that's normal. HB9s+ get flooded with messages. They can't keep up with all the crap.

For girls going cold after 8-9 messages -- that just means your game is weak. If the girl blocked you after a few messages only, then likely you said something that gave away the fact you're beta, and wanted to move on to the next guy. There was no need for you to take it personally. That's POF.

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Dude you have a lot of stuff in your about me section, I feel too much. I try to limit my stuff to less than 50 words on about me and I keep the rest blank. Erase the first date section, or just put, whatever/something simple. And then put what your looking for in the about me section bro. Other than that, I personally can't see anything wrong with it. I've personally been experiencing the same thing too bro. I just recently broke it, thanks in large part to Red Baron's post about awesome openers. I literally duplicated the style, and it's been working. I'll let you know once I've talked to like 30 women how it's going.

I personally use online because I don't feel like putting in the effort of talking to women in person. I find that once I break the ice online, or through an electronic device I often get a lot closer to sex. Because I literally almost had sex from using a telephone chat line, I decided to keep it electronic for now and see how where this get's me. For me I'm not big into people, or creating social groups. I personally have a small group of tightly knit friends. One of them is a very popular and sexually active guy. The other in college and has had a few. So it's not like they are not "cool". But I personally hang with them because they are very mellow and aren't into a lot of drama. And I notice in public, with people, you have to deal with a lot of drama and BS. Online, you can cut through all the crap about friends, associates, and social groups etc. I find it a lot easier and less time and energy consuming.

This of course is just my personal opinion on it, but it really does take a lot less effort to simply take a paragraph you have pasted into a word document and tweaking it for like 100 different people. Takes a lot less energy bro. Just my understanding of it.

You know I disagree with this. I've been using OkC for years, and have come to understand the more subtle techniques.

OKC is not a website where you go and just message hundreds of people like that in a week. You need to attract attention to yourself using the site. You need to answer questions based on your targets. You need to re-answer questions to show up in feeds. You should change your location and change it back so that it advertises you to girls. The most important thing is your photos. All photos need to be high-res, attractive. At least one full body, all with fully clothed (no shirtless!), one group and one where you aren't looking into the camera.

In my experience probably about 33% of girls respond, and maybe 33% of those give me their phone number. Part of it too is trying to guage who is on there just because its free to sign up and "why not?" and who is on there because they are ready and eager to date.

I'm not doubting that they flake... but I get 1 in every 2 to reply that I go for now...

I also don't go for that many though. I go for ones I'm attracted to that won't annoy me.

Honestly, the picture in the suit helps. The profile is just as clean. And I tease them in my opener but in a friendly way.