Purpose

I am writing this journal just as a means to monitor my own progress and I plan on updating it regularly as a reminder to myself that I should make steady progress. as for my purpose for gaming women it is that I want to able to pick the woman im with, not waiting for her to pick me. Also I might hand down this journal to my little brother one day.

Pick-up Biography

I am user Pcorrigan, I am a 21yr old student and I started getting into pickup on December the 25th at 6:55pm with a Google search of "Pickup artist", I can be precise because of Google history records. I had finally just overcome a series of mental illnesses though strength of will and medication. these had rendered me to live a very highly unsocial life style with few to no friends at any given time. I felt happy for the first time in a long time and became a sociable individual. I connected with old friends made new ones and got a job over winter break.

December 18th was the first day on the job and I was paired up with a attractive young women to work with over the course of the day. at this point in my life I had never had a girlfriend, a lady friend or even so much as held hands with another women other then my mother. I was not nervous though I knew I wanted her so I went for her. I had the balls and the heart but not the skills. on the second day of job the girl was moved to another table with another male. long story short a competition began for the girls affections between me and this other male who I deemed inferior in almost every way. Yet I still lost and when I did it really hit me home on my situation with women in my life. I became extremely frustrated with myself and felt hopeless to improve till I Googled "pickup artist", then I decided to start taking action.

What was left of my break was used up by me being on this forum or reading pick up books. I was able to find very helpful and knowledgeable forum member to refer all my questions to. since school has started I have slowed down but I still attempt to make an effort every day to improve in some form.

Format

I will put multiple daily attempts, efforts, and readings into one post. I refer most to all of my questions to forum member Puaninja. I will post my questions to him and his responses in case anyone has the same questions. I am starting this journal one month into the game so I will post my past questions I asked ninja first then I will attempt to compile my past attempts and continue from there on the day I started this journal February 3rd.

Questions Asked

1. how to sarge
2. Pick up Perspective and how much to read
3. which openers to use and how long to number close
4. direct or indirect opener
5. online dating
6. bar sarging
7. open a multiset during the day
8. A PUA intentions with the girl after the fact
9. 3 second rule
10. unnatural pick up or natural meeting
11. always go for the lay?
12. some routines
13. coin routine
14. asking on a date

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"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 1

Hello sir my name is patrick and I am a 21yr old in college. due to a recent lose of a female I had oneities for to another guy, I've decided to starting taking initiative and find other females myself. I was hoping you could lend some quick advice to get me started as I found your posts most informative.

I have read the Newbie FAQ and was most interested in the "double your dating" school of thought. I know the FAQ recommends books but if you could personally recommend me some books that go along with this school of thought and that are for starters in general I would appreciate it. I am going to assume the double your dating book is recommended reading even though it wasn't in the FAQ's recommended starter books.

two more questions, I have never been one for the Club/Dancing scene so what would be other good field sites to practice the information I'll learn from these books? Also how often does a average PUA hits his sites looking for girls? once, twice a week?

I eagerly await your expertise!

Response:

I don't know much about the double your dating book, sorry. But I would recommend doing whatever it says as far as reading books to start out. It can't hurt.

There's two ways to sarge (pick up women), using day game or night game. Bars and clubs are considered night game, because it typically takes place at night and girls there are more prone to go home with guys and sleep with them. Then you have day game, which is a different animal altogether. Many guys actually prefer day game. Day game is when you pick up women on the street or anywhere else throughout the course of your daily life. Some guys go to malls, shopping centers, grocery stores, Target, book stores, fairs, concerts, sporting events, campuses, crowded public plazas, or even just literally walking down the street. They recommend going out at least every other day, scheduling permitting. Some guys day game during he weekdays, and night game on weekends. The key is to diversify. Decide on some day game locals, and sarge them a few times a week. Go out to a bar or club at least once or twice a month. Set up a profile on a couple online dating sites. I went to meetup.com and found some women through a speed dating group. Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way.

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Current status: AFC

"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 2

First post:

thanks for the reply,

So how do most PUA gain the basic foundation of their knowledge. There doesn't seem to be any required reading (PUA Bible) or a step by step guide in understanding the process from opening to closing in general with women. At the moment i have a collection of various terms and tactics from the forum, but they don't feel connected or complete. I pretty much got no experience with women but I am the type of guy that likes to do heavy research before he goes out and puts the knowledge to use in the field.

Second post:

This is an update to my previous message as I found the answer within the the field report section, specifically the journals. Daniels AFC to PUA journal particularly seems to great reading, ill be following his steps.

I would still like to know if you personally found reading any particular books valuable material to becoming a PUA. I just dont want to buy random books only to read though them and find that the time could have been better used browsing the forum.

Response:

I started out reading The Game, and the rest of what I learned was from this forum and youtube videos. But there is a ton of other material out there. What you need to realize is that there is no substitute for going out into the field and sarging. Because if you just continually read, all those concepts will just swirl around inside your brain like an uncontrollable tornado. How can you organize a tornado? How can you pull what you need, when you need it, from a massive spinning vortex? Imagine trying to teach a racecar driver how to race by giving him books to read. EVERYTHING that matters you learn on the track through trial and error.

Have this perspective: When you first start out approaching women, don't look at it as trying to pick them up. Look at it as them teaching you how to pick up women. When you are being taught things you don't always get them right. Often times you fail then get showed the correct way to do it. Whenever a set loses interest in you or blows you out, they are teaching you not to do whatever you just did. When you finally start getting numbers, kisses, and f-closes, they are teaching you what you need to do in the future.

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"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 3

hello,

so I've been getting out using openers, routines... its mostly been positive but I yet to number close. if walking up to random stranger how long should it take to number close? I seem to do fine in my mid game but never feel ready or know when to close.

also I keep using the same openers, I only found a few that I like on the forum. do you make up your own do you have no problem using the same few openers?

Response:

There's no set time, but the longer you wait, the better. Because that means that you will have developed more rapport.

The thing with openers is that the opener really doesn't matter. It's just the attention getter. I like using opening questions as part of my middle game, and then I use some situational opener at the beginning so it seems more natural. The problem with canned openers is they sound canned. If someone came up to me and ask if they could get my opinion on something, I'll know that they don't really care about my opinion since they don't know me, and they are probably just trying to sell me a bill of goods. Women think the same way.

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Current status: AFC

"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 4

On the topic of openers would you agree that indirect would be best? I ask because it just feel more natural for me to be direct and not pretending as if I need some information for some random item. since opinion openers are off the table that leaves me with asking for information on something particular, this still seems noticeably fake to me though. if you could provide some examples of how just to get the conversation started with a women on the street, coffee shop, or store that be great.

Response:

Do you mean DIRECT would be best? I don't have a definitive answer on this because it's kind of complicated. My opinion is that your opener doesn't really matter, it's the substance of your entire routine that will allow you to effectively close sets. That being said, do whatever makes you feel most comfortable, because that will shine through during your routine.

I just gave a good reply to a guy who did an indirect opener to a classmate and failed miserably. But I also feel like there isn't a clear distinction between the two styles. For instance, let's take the coffee shop thing as an example. You could open with something like this:

"Have you ever tried the lattes? I've always wondered if those were any good.
You say they're pretty good, eh? You seem like a Starbucks connoisseur!
I'm John btw, what's your name?
You look like a regular, do you live around here?
How do you like it here? From here originally?
What do you do for work...let me guess...pilates instructor???
You seem like you're in really good shape. You got those Michelle Obama arms!"

Ok, so there is an example of a routine that starts out with a typical indirect question, but goes right into more direct game. You get her name and personal info early on and by the end of the first paragraph you're already talking about her body. That's very direct at that point. By using a routine like that you are getting the best of both worlds. You start out with an innocent question to break the ice, then escalate quickly with direct game.

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"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 5

Alight so ive been getting out there killing my approach anxiety but at night i have been trying out online dating. I really liked your original comment of exploring all option so that its is like "fishing with seven lines instead of one". But it just seems like much hassle for little return. Each site only has about 10 attractive girls on it and a slow growth of new members. i live in the middle of nowhere college town so maybe that is why. reading around too I find plenty of posts saying its just a numbers game and just not worth it. Do still use online dating as a tool? did you have or still have success with any particular site? I am thinking of just going mainly day and some night game in the future.

Response:

I've had good sucess with online dating in the past, but it's admittidly changed a little since then. I live in a bigger city so there is a bigger pool to choose from. A lot of the girls now aren't serious or are way too picky and it ends up resulting in a lot of wasted time at the end of the day. But sarging can be the same way too. Keep in mind there are a lot of different dating sites. I just saw a commercial for a new one last night! I mean there's christian ones, jewish ones, interacial ones, match, eharmony, pof, okcupid, etc. It can cost a little money to join, so it may be hard to join all of them if money is an issue. But like I said before, cast as many lines into the water as you can. It's a numbers game.

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"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 6

Alright got another question for ya. I wanted to start hitting up some bars soon but plan on avoiding nightclubs and just places with dance floors and very loud music. you have any experience sarging restaurant, sports, regular bars? not sure what types of bars to be sarging really or if it makes any difference. this stuff is very unfamiliar territory to me and I have no wing so I planed on starting slow. I don't know how did you get started with bars?

Response:

I'm not a big night gamer, but I would suggest first selecting the right bar for your needs. Each bar attracts a different type of crowd. My area has a wide variety, so I'd usually go to the bars where the younger hip crowd hangs out. There's more women and hotter ones there than say an a redneck bar or sports bar. There's also restaurant/bars and club/bars. Both can be good places to sarge. The key to succefully sarging there is to not be afraid to open sets a table or booth and try to sit down with them. Once you get your butt in their seats, you're in.

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Current status: AFC

"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 7

hey i posted this on the board but figured i might aswell pm it to you.

I know there is alot of info on how to open a multi set and how to close the target during night game. But my question relates to during the day as earlier i saw three pretty girls today at the supermarket.

I read somwhere that trying to number close a girl in a 2 set or higher durring the day is just bad idea in general, and should be avioded. what do you think worth the hassle? if so what do you do?

Response:

Trying to close a set is never a "bad" idea per se, it's just that it may be very difficult. For instance, closing a set with a girl and her dad, or something like that. I actually don't see a problem with a multi set during day game. It's really all about confidence and energy. The same way as if this was a three set sitting at a high table at a bar, you have to go in with high energy and be confident and fun.

Introduce yourself at the beginning and get her name. Use her name several times as you are talking to her. Build rapport and work your normal routine, then if the other girls try to pull her away, or if she says she has to go, just be like "Hey, you know I'm not going to let you walk away until you at least give me your number." then smile. You're not "asking" for her number, and you're sounding very confident by demanding her number.

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Current status: AFC

"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 8

I have a habit of making friends with good Christians( I don't know why I was atheist for the longest time). most of them have had relationships but are in none now (Ya I know they do it to themselves). I tried to get them to go out sarging with me but all rejected my offer except perhaps one. all of them asked my intentions and questioned my methods. they did raise some good questions though. Am I just looking for sex? and what do with the girl afterwords?

Personally I am trying to get a partner out of this but I dont mind sleeping with women along the way. So i got some personal questions here if you dont mind...

1. when you are picking up a women is you sole intention just to get laid nothing more?
2. do ever tell this girl before hand that you are not looking for anything serious just sex?
3. if you do not make your intentions clear before hand do you simply ignore the girl after intercourse even if she was not looking for a one night stand?

Response:

The first thing I want to say is that a lot of guys will have questions like these, then go out and not f-close any girls. So then I ask you, what is the purpose of worrying about post-sex issues if you never f-close any girls in the first place? If you want to contemplate potential problems, start at the beginning, not at the end.

1. You need to establish what I call "closing objectives". Do you want a girlfriend or a one night stand? Maybe the girl you meet is not girlfriend material, but still fuckworthy. You need to make those decisions.
2. Always tell the girl what you think she needs to hear, regardless of what you actually want. Most girls don't want to be treated like slampieces, so I'd recommend treating them as potential future girlfriends, unless they tell you ahead of time that they are not looking for anything serious.
3. You do what YOU want afterwards. Remember, women don't really care about your feelings or desires, and they'll dump you where they found you at the drop of a hat. You do you and let them deal with the results. That's life.

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Current status: AFC

"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 9

Alright man second question of the day. I try to space these out but I had a interesting weekend. when I see a girl standing still whether it be at the mall or super center I go somewhere where I can think of an opener. By that time though I talk myself out of it or the girl is not there anymore.

So im thinking of following the three second rule and just going straight for her while thinking of an opener. if all else fails i can be direct or compliment her on her shoes. is this what you do, just go straight for your target as soon as you spot her?

Hey do you live in Missouri? if so you gotta let me buy you a beer man.

Response:

No, I don't live in Missouri, lolz.

Yea, the three second rule is important. Though it's hard to have the self-discipline to follow it. If you can implement that rule it makes approaching twice as easy, because it virtually eliminates the anxiety of opening. You still have to deal with the sting of rejection, but at least you don't have the anxiety and worry prior to the rejection.

It will also sharpen your improvisational opending skills. You'll get so used to opening sets without even thinking about it that it won't even matter what you choose to say as your opening line. It forces you to be glib and think on your feet. A great skill to have in pick up.

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Current status: AFC

"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 10

Hey

Originally I planed on asking you about a PUA pick-up schedule as I planned on setting one up for my self to stay more consistent. But I came across your post on the "always number close. never a date/anything further" thread.

so your comment "Most of the girls I've been with haven't been a result of cold approach pickup. I met them at work, or online, or speed dating" is throwing me off. I thought the whole point was to go out to a mall, coffee shop, store and force meet women? if this isn't the case I can shift focus on meeting women more "naturally" by joining college groups/clubs/societies or just planting various seeds on women I know I will meet again, then not N-closing till like the second or third meeting.

In case you say "both", which one should I put more focus on?

Response:

Yea, I see the confusion. What I was saying is that I haven't had much luck with cold approach pick up. Ironically, the girl I'm with now I met while out sarging, although I'd actually already dated her before and met her on the internet years ago. But if I hadn't gone out sarging that night, I never would've ran into her again. That's why sarging is so important. It helps you build skills which will help you in other areas of your life, plus, you never know what will happen when you're out there or who you'll meet.

My philosophy is to diversify. Go sarging. Go to the malls. Enroll in some group or class. Talk to girls at your work's breakroom. Talk to your hot neighbor. Set up an online dating profile. You don't necessarily have to focus on one or the other. Do whatever works. I went to speed dating twice and fucked a girl each time I went. That turned out to be more useful than sarging. Put more effort into things that pay off, and less effort into those that prove to be a waste of time. I stopped doing online dating because it seemed like the girls on there were no longer serious about dating. So why bang my head against the wall continuing to do things that aren't working for me?

Join your clubs and societies and whatnot and plant seeds and get numbers. I have no problem with that. And you can still go out cold approaching on sarging missions one or two times a week as well. Especially if you aren't getting laid, then you need to continue doing this and do it often. Eventually you'll be successful. It's like fishing with 7 lines cast into the water instead of 1. You have better odds that way.

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"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 11

alright man i'm finally getting somewhere!

my car would not start so while waiting for the tow truck i decided stop by subway as i remembered seeing a cute girl there. i walked in and there she was on a slow night. we hit off pretty well for a while, i made her laugh alot even when i failed to use some routines properly. i am pretty sure i established attraction but i did not ask for her number but she told me her work schedule so i know when to see her. i talked to her monday night and she works again thursday night, i planned on dropping by and telling her there is a comedy club giving a showing later that night and if she would like to tag along with me. they serve alcohol to minors so i figured i mention that since shes 19.

1. any thoughts on my situation?
2. should i always go for the lay on the first night? i sense a little wild side to her but she takes pride in her small town Christian girl image so i just figured a kiss close at the end date might suffice but that feels weak and too light to me. any of the middle of the road tips?

Response:

Instead of thinking along the lines of kissing/fucking, think along the lines of seduction/kino. And don't ask to kiss her or to fuck her. Just let your actions speak for themselves.

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Current status: AFC

"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 12

i only have a few routines the cube, some esp stuff and the five lies game. besides the routines everything else i do is natural game. im gonna look around for some more, are there any routines you like to use during mid conversation or on a date that you can suggest?

Response:

I learned a good one recently from Simple Pickup. The four questions game. Tell her the rules of the game are simple:

1. We take turns to ask each other questions
2. We have to answer truthfully
3. You can "pass" on a question if you want
4. You can't ask the other person the same question they asked you

Some example questions would be: "If you could go anywhere in the world, where would it be?" or "If you had all the money you ever wanted, what would you do with it?" A couple more things to mention about this routine. Item 3 is there to give them an escape route so they don't feel too pressured to play the game. Also, this game allows you to ask sexual questions, so don't be afraid to gear the questions toward sexual topics. But I would recommend waiting until later in the routine before doing that.

This one is from the game. Carry 16 cents on you. A dime, nickel, and penny. Tell her Ben has two siblings. The first is named Penny, then hand her the penny. The other is Nick, and hand her the nickel. Then hold up the dime and ask her who this is. Most people won't remember you said BEN at the begging. The dime's name is Ben. If she does happen to get it right and says Ben, then compliment her and tell her nobody has ever gotten that right and that she must be very smart. You can also pull out a quarter if she can't guess who the dime is. And ask her "Then who is this?" (make sure you are pointing to the heads side. Then when she can't guess that one either, be like "It's George Washington. Duh!" (since you are pointing to washington's face on the quarter).

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"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 13

First Post:

I'm not sure how you pull that coin one off. I've tried it on about three people and every time I say the dime is ben they dont get the connection or how they were ever so post to know that in the first place. after introducing the penny and the nickle, I hold up ben and say "who is this". They don't know so I proceed to tell them in a playful tone "its ben!". that were I usually lose them and receive a face of confusion. Any thoughts on what im doing wrong?

Second Post:

hmm I think What I will do is replace the name ben with frank, so after I introduce the quarter which has Washington on it, the answer will become more obvious as the dime has franklin roosevelt on it.

Response:

Or you can hold up the dime right in front of them and say it very slowly and loud. "BEN (holding up the dime and waving it in their face) has two sibblings..." Then if they look confused at the end, say it again: "BEN has two sibblings, what's this one's name?"

The reason most people won't get it is because it is designed to trick the mind. Your mind is desperately trying to think of any any name that is similar to "dime", instead of just thinking back to what the person already told you.

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Current status: AFC

"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja

Question 14

as I mentioned before I connected with this girl at her work blah blah blah. I plan on going in there and reestablishing the tension that was there before. I dont plan on sticking around long I plan on asking her to come with me to a comedy showing later that night when she gets off. so my question is is it a bad idea to try to get her to hangout with me the same day I ask? or should I always give atleast a day for her to prepare? time bridging isnt to great either it will be four days since I last talked to her, I know im personally losing interest in her so she probably has to me as well.

Response:

Well, women are notorious for always being "busy" and unavailable. So the less time you give her in advance, the more likely it is she'll already have plans. I learned this trick in sales, ask her: "Hey, what are you doing tomorrow at 7pm?" If you state a date and time people are far less likely to make up an excuse, especially if hey aren't actually doing anything.

I like that strategy because they have to commit to saying they are free before you even ask them out. It's hard for them to say "Yes I'm free, but no I'm not going out with you." That would make them look like a total bitch. However, they can still reject you and give you an iod if they really aren't interested. If they are like "Yea, I'm going out with friends that night then I'm helping my sister move all weekend." Then you know they don't want to go out with you since they are obviously making themselves seem completely unavailable.

_________________
Current status: AFC

"The key is to diversify...Whatever works. It's like fishing with 7 lines in the water instead of just one. You're more likely to a catch fish that way."-PUAninja