I forgot all about his conversation and it was an enjoyable thread.

Society is mostly losers dude, everyone can't be winners that is crazy talk, think about it this way 1% of people control like 47% (according to an uncomfirmed article). The bottom 80% control 7% of the wealth.....The fact is the average Person rarely impresses. Those who are successful know that the road to success drives through failure.

-Donald Trump made billions after being $100 million in debt in debt. In effect making an overall better business man.
-Ben Franklin tried 100 times before getting it right.
-Robert Kiyosaki failed in his very first business venture.
-Every very successful PUA I've ever met has been rejected countless times.
-Every very successful Real Estate Investor had took multiple poor deals and learned lessons.
-Peyton Manning lost how many play off games before getting his Superbowl ring

If you want to do as society does expect to get what society does, which is an unexciting sex life, average income, and a lack of grand experiences due to your average lifestyle and mindset. What society wants and thinks is acceptable is average, I don't know about you but I'm way over average, I did that for a minute and I prefer an above average lifestyle. Average sucks dude, I'm above average and so I expect above average.

If you want what the exceptional person gets you better go AGAINST the grain not with "society's" thoughts on winners. If you want to be average go with your concept on "society's" thoughts, if you want to be a huge success do as successful people do, not as average people do.

Success helps breed self-confidence no doubt, but your outlook on failure changes immensely as self-confidence comes into position. Self-confidence is about a positive outlook, feeling, and experience, one thing to remember is your positive outlook largely influences your experiences feeling negative or positive. A self-confident person DOES NOT REACT TO REJECTION, so why not act as a self-confident person does? Which in all honesty isn't the average person, most people aren't self-confident, self-confidence and high self-esteem are a above average trait.

Your whole outlook is horrid to begin with.....the root of your problem is your lack of control over your ego, emotional, and mental state, you need some awareness, consciousness, and to control your ego. A truly self-confident person has all of this and therefore doesn't worry about or get influenced by things such as rejection.

Good luck man, just remember every successful person you've ever met failed multiple times before being successful. Once again the road to success goes through failure, if you remember this your goal and outlook change immensely and success becomes imminent.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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^ Donald Trump inherited twice as much money as he has now. Peyton Manning had a winning record every season he played quarterback, even going back to kiddie leagues.

No, you do not start from nothing and hit instant mastery. If Peyton Manning had been on his couch eating Doritos until he was 31 and then suddenly found himself in a Super Bowl game, he'd have failed epically. Success breeds success. When you have no success, you start with basics, and build up. A morbidly obese man is not going to win Iron Man. He needs the success of replacing McDonalds with some lean chicken and the success of walking for 20 minutes a day for a week. A 24 year old virgin does not emerge from his WoW guild and go out to the Roxbury, get in with nothing but his pimpin' attitude and then drag off a Hawaiian Topic model.

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There should be increments to increasing your confidence. Do the little things until it adds up. Get a new hairstyle, get new clothes, talk to new people, poke your comfort zone a little, and overall focus on mini-goals and mini strategies. Looking at the whole outlook is overwhelming and not everyone will have the resources to go all out. Of course, live your life to the fullest is always the motto but for some people it takes mini-steps to get there. These people may be slow to get there but they will as long as they are doing it in increments and don't be come stagnant. This is my take on building confidence. Rejection won't built confidence but at least you can think about what was it about your approach that didn't go quite right or you can dismiss it as the person might just not be in the mood. Not your fault. Either way it is a lesson.

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Fair enough (on Trump), I don't know about you but I'm more interested in how gained that half of his original money back then his inheriting billions. Lets face it, I didn't inherit billions so I have to figure out how he made it(or others) if I want it. The fact is he had to fail to become a good business man, even then I still think that dude is a MORON, an arrogant, opinionated guy who has a HUGE ego which has been responsible for both his demise and success. If you want to look at those who are actually successful you still have to take into consideration the failure the face on the way, the learning curve, and growing lessons you go through.

That is an interesting statement on Peyton Manning. I would say there is definitely something special in most of us Peyton Manning was certainly made to be a great QB (IMHO the greatest QB thus far). I would also say he has thrown DOZENS of interceptions (in fact this season he had a 3 INT game that changed his entire season), and up until he got his superbowl ring most thought he just was a regular season QB. He wasn't considered the best QB not because his stats didn't say so but because his play off success showed otherwise. He wasn't considered a success regardless of the fact that he was on par to break just about EVERY NFL QB record. He had to fail MULTIPLE times to make it just like most QBs who make it to the play offs, do you know a of a QB that didn't fail multiple times to get better? Oh yeah he went 3-13 in his first NFL season, so WHAT WAS YOUR POINT AGAIN? I do feel he had A LOT more tools around him his second season though when he began to turn around the franchise.

Enjoy the small successes but my message stands rejection is inevitable in the pick up world, and honestly it's a small ordeal so let it go, just use it for constructive criticism. The potential of some of us is higher than others in some areas including pick up but that doesn't change the fact you learn by trial and error, you have all your life and pick up will be NO different. Rejection should never deter you from your goal of being a pick up artist, it is but a minor speed bump on your journey to becoming a good seducer and good with women.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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You're identified with external feedback. You should realize deeply that whether or not you fuck 100 girls or only 1 in your entire life, you're still complete as a man. Personally, I don't remember rejections. I'm not even kidding. If after a night out, I get rejected a lot, it won't even enter in my brain. Like at all, 0, nada.

Why? Because first of all, I don't believe in rejection. I insist on saying rejection is a belief. It does not exist, it's just in your mind.

I was doing demonstrations in front of a guy once and I waved to this girl from far away. She looked at me like wtf and turned around. The guy with me was telling me rejection & he kept persisting I just got rejected. Whatever, 1 hour later I say hi to her, she's defensive, finally she opens up and it's going great between us.

Again. What is rejection? How can a girl reject you if you're already complete? How can anyone make you feel bad about yourself? When you come from this state of being, you have already won. There's no girl that can reject me. She doesn't even know me. She didn't even had the chance to experience me. It's her who lost the lottery ticket, not me.

Don't focus on rejections. Focus on the positive aspects of each night & just acknowledge the lesson in rejections, but then completely throw them out of your mind. You always want to focus on the positive, acknowledge the negative so you can draw lessons and than MOVE ON. Life keeps going forward. Don't forget that in order to win, you have to lose.


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Stop that shit right now... You are missing the fundamental point to getting 'good' at game. I guess you have heard the expression 'Nothing in life worth having is easy'?... everybody has to take shit before they get the money. Imagine it like this, military personnel have to go through months of abuse and pain before they become resilient and good at what they do, if they ran straight into the battle field with no training and experience they would get slaughtered. So what im saying is, absorb that pain, take it like a man, its good for you, it strengthens your inner game.

The more shit and rejections you take, the more you will learn about yourself and be able to shake off any self defeating thoughts and become more centred during an interaction. Do not attach yourself to the outcome.

Rejection doesn't build confidence, stepping out of your comfort zone and surviving it does.

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Rejection is supposed to be painful. It motivates you so it does not happen again. If you don't care about rejection how do you measure your progress? How do you measure your success? It is odd for success to not to be outcome dependent.


If you keep getting rejected you are going to think about rejection when you appraoch girls. T
his may make you hesistant. This may frustrate you and this may cause you to make mistakes. I don't know, but confidence is attractive.

Why do I keep seeing this thread pop up? Do we even know what the source of your "rejection" is? I apologize if I missed it somewhere.

Your line "rejection is supposed to be painful. It motivates you so it does not happen again". Is a philosophical statement that has almost no merit in my opinion. In case you missed something I pointed out earlier, a lot of times perceived rejection is out of our control. No one is perfect. No woman you ever talk to will be perfect and you won't be perfect in any woman's eyes. But, when the "like" outweighs the imperfections that's when one person starts to forgive an forget small things they don't like about the other and adapt to it. When both sides can successfully do that, it's usually a match. When they don't, someone usually gets hurt. Typically , men have a much higher mountain to climb in overcoming that for several reasons. Typically when men tend to see imperfections in women they are much more accustomed to forgetting and forgiving them. How many guys do you think are out there, who look like a damn calvin Klein model but will forget the fact that a chick has 3 kids, bad teeth, bad breath, smokes like a chimney, has an obnoxious personality and is 20 points over weight just b/c she has a cute face and she's eager to fuck him and she's good at it? A LOT MORE THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

At this point I don't know if you are trolling, or you really need to see a shrink. but you have to find a way to move on. random pick up is not easy. If you are succeeding 10% of the time at any aspect of it, you are doing good at it.

I don't need a shrink nor am I trolling. You're not supposed to move on. You are not suppose to forget. You are supposed to remember and let it motivate you to do better.

Now answer my question. How do you evaluate your progress and improvement if you accept getting rejected all the time?

I firmly believe in this. The mind has a tendency to want to make things easy by escaping things that are tough, e.g. making excuses to not approach, skipping around the main point and coming off as a creep etc etc hence create a comfort zone. If we don't step out of that comfort zone, we don't tackle challenges head on and thus, don't improve anything.

You are supposed to move on, you do all throughout learning to talk, learning to walk, learning to read, learning to drive, learning to do math, learning to write papers, do you want me to go on? How often are you suppose to move on after failure? ALL THROUGHOUT LIFE, pick up is no different.

Your question: LOL- Because you look at your successes and how they happened versus your rejections and how they happened. You show me a great pick up artist and I'll show you a man that has been rejected 100s to 1000s of times. You show me a great pick up artist who is practicing and I'll point out that he'll be rejected 1000s more times. You are motivated by your success, ambition to succeed (in this case to get laid), and undeterred by your failures, that is the mindset of a successful guy at anything.

Your self worth is entirely to based on another person's outlook of you, this shows a severe lack of self confidence, low self esteem, high ego, and neediness. Just look at this thread and how needy you are in it, you need to be right regardless of how many times some of the more experienced guys have told you rejection is a natural part progression and the experience of improving at pick up. You think you have self confidence yet you find your confidence in someone else's opinion of you being high, this is an absolute conundrum to me, how the hell can you be self confident if your confidence is derived by another woman's opinion of you?

You must fail to succeed, you will never ever find someone who is successful that hasn't failed and had negative moments along the way, the irony is that these negative experiences are what make you a good pick up artist.

Repeat: If you honestly think rejection hurts you have NO SELF CONFIDENCE, LOW SELF ESTEEM, WAY TOO BIG OF AN EGO, AND ARE NEEDY. Those who have self-confidence are not effected by something as inevitable and honestly ridiculous as rejection.

Get off of it Invictus YOU ARE RIDICULOUSLY WRONG. I am tired of your ridiculous ego, it is honestly suppressing any potential you have. Go work on your ego, self confidence, and self esteem it will help you immensely, as I've said repeatedly to you while you continue to be the slowest learner on forum.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Print this on your wall and read it every day lol. There's nothing more to add.


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I still don't know what the context of your rejection is? did you go approach your first 2 girls ever last week, and they both blew you off and now you feel hopeless? Did you get out of a 1 year relationship b/c you got dumped, and you've been dumped prior to this also and now you feel hopeless? If I missed it earlier in the thread I am sorry.

This thread has gotten really long and somewhat personal, but I just wanted to give my two cents to bring some closure to what I think are two credible points.

Confidence comes from success. Success gives you a good feeling then when you perform an activity again you remember that feeling and you feel confident, you feel comfortable in that situation. Failure is just something that has to be overcome in the process.

The more you fail and get rejected, the more you get desensitized to it. It just does not seem as bad. The first time may be very humiliating and crushing, but after a while its nothing. However, if you no longer care about failing you may get lazy and start acting kinda crazy. Also, if you get rejected a lot it may hurt your comfort level with girls, I mean you can deal with it but you just don’t feel comfortable around them. Its not something you want to do. You don’t have the enthusiastic attitude of someone that succeeds with women all the time.

All of your experiences influence your self-image and attitude, your character. Your experiences stay with you and can’t be erased. Your first kiss in 2nd grade, never telling your crush you liked her when you were 12, getting rejected when you asked your first girl out, your first lay ect…all these things stay with you and influence your attitude. It influences how you think of girls and feel around them. Now we all take steps to overcome our character, but it can’t be erased. We can only work with who we are.

No one likes to be wrong. No one likes to lose. No one likes to fail. If someone says otherwise they are really just bullshitting you. They’re being too idealistic.

Self-confidence is about not being influenced by people or happenings. You can take steps to overcome the things that happen to you to some extent, but I don’t think anyone can ever completely separate themselves from how they were raised, they’re experiences, and the things that happen to them. I guess you can build yourself up enough to do what you want to do, but can you ever get rid of the memories? No.

Do experiences or willpower make you? I don’t know, but you can keep trying to be the captain of your life. You can keep trying.