Lets face it, if you want a 9 or a 10, you got shit load of competition. These girls have guys just chasing them.

Cons
-Learning bunch of routines, openers, pick up line, tactics, etc... is not gonna work. They actually prefer a chill, cool, and a fun guy who is actually normal. They don't wanna hear the strawberry field, or your really cool opener. They heard it all, especially if there really out going.

Pro
-Best chance of meeting and dating one is through social circle. But if your hanging with these type of girls, you must already be a cool guy. Also, your friend respect you and vice versa.

-IDENTITY. Important! Much like how you wanna HB 9 or 10 because lets face it, your value will just sky rocket to others if your dating a girl like that, HB 9 or 10's are the same way. They wanna a guy with a cool identity that they can brag to there friends about. So start working on this. Remember, it has be something that makes your social value go up. This is something you will not succeed in unless your having fun doing it. And also, this is expand the chances of meeting HB9 and 10 beyond social circle. AGain, PUa will not teach you this there is no money to be made here. Think of the most famous PUA of all, Mystery. Did he get 9's or 10's based on PUA identity or his Magician identity?

I am a loner with a righteous persona.

you don't need a social circle for much.

nonsense. A lot of 9s and 10s never get approached at all.

This means there's golden opportunities everywhere.

What you need to do is be observant. If you see a 9 or a 10, stand back a bit and observe her for a few moments. Actions give away what type of reality she's living in.

Then go from there.

Make your opinion based on a chicks actions...not on some fantasy which doesn't exist.

If you can make 9s and 10s laugh,your halfway there...

Just be yourself and have respect for yourself...

And dont be an ass kisser

9's and 10's dont get approach? I wish I lived where you guys lived.

Yeah, going up to girls like these and talking to them is no big deal cause there usually very social. And lets face it, getting numbers your only half way there.

How many here are actually hooking up with 9's and 10's or going out on dates with them through cold approach pick up? Probably like 1 out of every 50 guy here. And that 1 guy probably has a really cool identity that women love or really good game which is rare.

The rest, probably meeting them through social circle, work, or class where your force to be together and in this case, is not really a cold approach and you have time to work your game.

Identity, don't believe me? Approach these type of girls and ask if they have boyfriend and what he does for fun or for work. (don't worry about money here, you don't have to be rich).

There are always exceptions to everything, so this is general.

Yea, every 9 or 10 I've ever approached or watched other guys approach gets a look on her face like "Oh jeez, here we go again..." then they blow you the fuck out. Like Mystery once said, really hot girls get hit on about 3-5 times per day. Whether they're going to the gas station to fill up, or going out to pick up some sub sandwiches...guaranteed some AFC or douchebag is going to run some lame game on them. They almost always have significant defense mechanisms established to shoot guys down.

Like another poster said, not many pua's are actually bagging 9s and 10s thru cold approach pickup. Some are, but those are the guys with good looks and/or rock solid game with high value lifestyles. The way that 9s and 10s hook up with guys is that they arbitrarily decide they are ready to date, or have a boyfriend, or have a one night stand. Then they allow the next lucky guy who hits on them into their life, or they go somewhere and find a guy they want. Again, this is all THEIR choice, and the guy who gets them just happens to be at the right place at the right time.

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I guess men's opinions of 9's and 10's can vary. One man's 9 could be another man's 7. For the most part I think most the women I date are 9's and 10's, maybe a few 8's thrown in. And if I can date 9's and 10's many guy's can date 11's!

Are we allowed to post photos here and if so how?

Ha Ha, i love this question.

You are making dangerous mistake if you think these really good looking women are well worth all your thoughts and efforts my friend.

You need to concentrate on having a good fucking time.
Fuck those good looking bitches and laugh at the tools spending a fortune to be with them.

To quote slywalker in a post.

Pussy will have no power over me, ha ha

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Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

The rating system is completely pointless beyond identifying how an individual feel about the person he's approaching.

A 9 or 10 to me is Eva Mendes or Natalie Portman. For a lot of guys it's a bleach blonde with big tits.

BINGO.

This where the confusion on this issue comes from 100%.

I have lived in small towns, all the way to Los Angles and have coached guys from over 100 different locations here is the truth of the matter:

10s get approaches TONS in areas with a lot of confident guys. A Confident guy isn't usually a pua, it is a guy with a lot of money or looks or status.

There aren't many guys with money or looks or status enough to give the confidence to approach 10s in fuckin Salem Oregon (no offense) lol. So when you do, it instantly looks like confidence and is actually easier for a minute to get "in". Your city is probably no different unless you are in 1 of the top 10 or so large ones.

In LA or San Francisco you have guys walking in any given place who make 500 thousand dollars a year, regular, or are there looking for modelling work, or run a stripclub whatever it may be. Be the confidence justified or not, doesn't matter, we are talking if 10s get approached a lot and its effect on their confidence.

Sure as shit in the biggest cities they do get approach more and aren't as "game on" when approached, because so many guys have standard AFC confidence boosters that they aren't intimidated.

This is all mental masturbation though because the only way to get 10s is to approach them and game them of course, if they are use to it or not.

As another poster said also just because she is YOUR 10 doesn't make her "socially" a 10 and all that comes with it psychologically in how she is treated in whatever environment she happens to be in.

Jessica Biel (if she wasn't famous, just looked the way she does) wouldn't be a "10" in how often she is approached or how she is treated. She may be your preference, your 10, but she isn't the bimbo stereotype big hair, ton of makeup and/pr fake tits type deal that says "I am what all men want" even if it isn't, "stripper" "porn star" stereotype look.

I have had harder battles getting "social" 10s in bed, and easier times with my own personal preference (exact face and eyes I like, height I like, hairstyle I dig, fitness or skinny body type vs porn star/stripper) "10s" than I can count.

I would put effort scale at a 10 for "social 10s", and an 7 for "My 10s". That's even in smaller towns and medium size cities. The "wow he approached me" factor from a social style 10 who doesn't get approached often wears off within a few minutes.

To answer the question directly, work a little harder and if you already eject, can't stay in talking etc easily on a social 8, you won't have a chance to fuck a social 10.


If you can't get 7s or 8s social caliber wise get a decent base game and forget "9s and 10s"

Basically if you can get 8s and cant' get 10s, spend another 20 outings approaching 10s and refining your game.


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What awesome advice. Just be yourself and have respect for yourself. That's how to date models and strippers. Just Be Yourself. Why didn't I think of that.

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There are many ways that you can make it work. But I find that the easiest is to have a lifestyle puts you in constant contact with this type of woman. If you work around models, you are going to meet a lot of models. Also having a large / high quality social circle has been important for me.

is this sarcastic comment? being yourself is best thing you can do. I dont know where to begin so I believe you all watched RSD videos... its all about being your BEST self and having fun.

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These are points I like to bring up sometimes. Most of the shit I have read on picking up girls is great when it comes to building confidence and letting guys know they need to have a cocky funny persona, but a lot of the tactics won't work on woman who don't have self-confidence issues. Luckily, for newcomers (like I totally was at one point) a lot of girls have self-esteem issues.

Basically, I agree, if you want to pick up really hot girls who have their shit figured out, you need to ditch cheep tricks like agressive kino, peacocking, etc. and just be an all round fun guy to be around who is in alright shape and has pretty good style.

A few steps need to be added since you guys are missing something.

1. Stop rating women - this creates separation and status balances, gets rid of the authentic connection that leads to sex most often. The Sexiest women you'll ever get will have a description NOT a rating.

2. Being a self confident, happy, and High self-esteem you - Be you at your best, which means showing your own individuality and owning your own style. Everyone seems to stay with just be yourself but if yourself is needy and insecure you need to fix that area in order for you to be you and get the girl. Note: To me being self confident is also being sexual, you need to be comfortable with your primal desires and be congruent with them not submissive with them.

3. Have a Conversation - Just talk to her in an honest open way where you truly exchange interests, not "hi where you from?" questions but more along the nature of wow did you see this band live (if she is wearing a band shirt), notice the little things to ask the right questions. React to the words she is most excited to say. LISTEN TO HER don't wait for your turn to talk.

There you go that is all you need to get the sexiest women you'll come across. There is too much theory to pick up and not enough just genuine, congruent, confident human interaction, that is all it takes to be good at picking up women, don't complicate things.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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