Hey Guys,

I'm from the Netherlands and just started sarging, and I'm facing this problem. Opening a set ain't a problem anymore, but the problem is continuing the conversation, I just start talking to a girl using the jealous girlfriend opener or just asking how she is. I'm trying natural game because I don't want to sound like a robot who said these things a thousand times before and finding out what works well and what doesn't. But after a couple of minutes the conversation is dying, and then it becomes awkward so I leave or they start talking to each other and leaving me out of the conversation. Anyone has any tips on how to keep the girls interested and/or some things on how to continue the conversation?

Thanks,

The Edge

Sure, why not. I answer this question every other day anyways...Why should you be burdened with looking up any of the umpteen million other threads with this exact same topic.

The first thing you need to do is have high energy. The person with the highest energy owns the conversation and keeps everyone's attention. Then you need some sort of predetermined topics of conversation. I use openers as part of the conversation, asking their opinions about various things. Women would rather give you their opinion about something, rather than answering direct questions. This leads to the next part--what to avoid. Avoid small talk-type conversations. Things like where do you live, how long you been there, what do you do for a living, etc. It's okay to ask those questions in order to get a quick feel for who the person is, but don't go too in depth. It will start to sound like an interview after a while and become too intrusive. It's also not entertaining or funny. You need to keep things light and funny in order to keep their attention and interest.

Also, learn a DHV game/trick/story and bust that out when you sense you are running out of things to say or when you see a lull in the conversation. That's like your ace in the hole. You get past your opener and BS them for a while, find out who they are and where they are from, then all of a sudden you find yourself at a loss for words and she starts looking around bored. Now you say "OH! You're gonna' love this! Have you ever:

Played the five lies game?
Done the best friend test?
Had your palms read?
Done the cube?"

Now you've gone from a guy whom she started to think was boring, to an exciting guy who shows her all this cool shit. But see most guys don't have their game that tight. They don't think that far ahead. And so the conversation fizzles out, they are at a loss for words, and they get blown out of the set.

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There's nothing wrong about using the same opener every now and then. With the same opener, you can predict what the person is about to say and come up with an elaborate response. I had problems with my conversational skills when it came to talking to strangers. What you can do is a process called "nouning" (coined by Saucehead). For example:

You: "That's a pretty cool necklace."
Her: "Thanks! I got it from this cruise ship that was going to Bermuda."

You've been given two nouns. You can expand the conversation by talking about the cruise ship or Bermuda:

You: "You were on a cruise ship? No way! Tell me about it!" or "I've never been to Bermuda! How was it over there? Was it as good as the Bahamas?"

Another thing you can also do is cut your own thread and start a new one (props to puaninja). For example, you said that you use this one opener, right? But you don't want to use it too much lest you sound like a robot. So let's say you open up with the psychology opener:

You: "Hey, by any chance, are you taking psychology?"
Her: "No."
You: "No? Well, my psych professor asked us- huh, that;s a pretty cool necklace."
Her: "Thanks! I got it from this cruise ship that was going to Bermuda."

So now you're on another topic. You can always go back to the psychology opener to keep the conversation flowing.

Hopes this helps, bro

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you're right, I'm probably not the only one with this problem. Sorry.
Anyway thanks for your advice! I will try different things, see what works best for me.

Thanks!

I used to recommend nouning, but then I heard some well known pua's point out a flaw with that technique.

What happens is you start asking pointless or stupid questions which then make it evident that you are just trying to string together a conversation. You start talking about Bermuda, then necklaces, then seashells, until several minutes later it dawns on you that you are talking to some hot chick about stupid fucking seashells. A completely non-enertaining, non-sexual subject that has no conversational value.

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Here's something I read & picked up from The Game:

Dnt bother asking TOO MANY questions, because as puaninja already pointed out, it sounds like a goddamn interview. Instead, speak in statements.

Quoted from Juggler in his chapter in The Game, "Talking in statements is the way old friends speak to each other. It is the mode of the intimate, the confident & the giving. They invite others to share & make perfect metaphysical sense."

"Where are you from?" can go to "You look like a tourist" or "You're accent is strange"
"What work do you do?" can become "I'm gonna say you're a.... Shoe model."
"Do you like children?" can evolve into "you seem the type who stuffs cake into a kids mouth when they're crying"

you know, just be creative!! hahaha.

The most brilliant thing about speaking in statements is that you can both throw in negs, make her qualify herself to you & build and break rapport, without sounding boring & allowing yourself to display personality (do i hear someone whisper.. NATURAL GAME??!! hahaha)

Best of all, its easy to transition into DHV routines & cold-reads when you want, because you have set the stage for, and i quote, "two people to choose to reveal themselves to each other." -Juggler, The Game by Neil Strauss.

obviously there are times when questions would have to be asked, but if you can make a statement which serves the purpose of that question AND allows you to DHV/build rapport/kino escalate simultaneously or even steal her goddamn fake eyelashes, then DO IT. haha.

i may be saying AFC stuff here, i dunno. do tell me what you think lads. hope this helps.

Your Malaysian AFC,
Shane

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My best advice, lower your expectations about what comes out of your mouth.

You don't have to sound like James Bond.