Hi, ive been reading this forum for a long time and generally been learning and doing pick up for some time now. I've read lots of stuff, like how to be alpha, how to behave around women, how to have a sexual frame etc etc, but recently, especially after having had a relationship for about 6 months, i've started to have some regret about learning pick up. I just read 60 years of challenge, where it says that women will do things for you and be affectionate, but only if you jump through their hoops, meaning following their agenda. Few hours after that i called my girlfriend, she told me she wanted to see me, i told her i couldnt at that moment, and she never asked if she could see me later, she just went out with her friends. It's not that i want her to stay in and wait for me forever and dont do things if i cant be with her... but it just killed me.
I started thinking, what if i never read about this stuff? I would have said i couldn't see you right now, she'd say ok, and i'd be happy going out and doing whatever. Now, i'm sitting and thinking, she didn't care, it's true that if i leave her now, she's gonna be with some other guy reaaal soon. What i'm saying is, it's nice that i now know so much stuff about people and i can get a girl or have fun with some stranger without feeling awkward or shy, but what's the price? I sit all day thinking, i couldn't ever be with a woman and be truly open with her. Not when some girl is sucking me while talking to her boyfriend, not while they're saying they've only been with 2 guys and i know it's lies. Previously, i'd say, maybe she's telling the truth, maybe not, who knows. Now, i know for a fact she's lying, i can even tell by her body language. Sure it is fun going out and having fun and playing around with lots of girls, but is the cost of learning pickup, that you cannot trust women and not be able to have a long-term relationship, while being secure with your feelings?

to me im doing pickup to meet as much women as i can to find the right girl and not end up being married to some girl im bored or not interested in and having babies.

pickup teaches you to be a smooth talker, to talk your way into things, life values like frame control and confidence and getting out comfort zone and living your life.

you can trust the girl if she trusts you, if shes making you depressed fix it if it doesnt work out just leave her and find a better girl thats better for you.

the only negative thing is that you might cheat on a girl cuz you love the game so much.

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LOL - You haven't learned much about pick up dude, if you get very very good with women she wouldn't dream of cheating on you, if you are the best fuck and most attractive man she has ever met then no worries, it's up to you to become that. It's not about tactics, that is a huge mistake, it's about genuine self-improvement not about bull shit lines.

You know why I know most women would never cheat on me? Because I'm one of the most attractive men (not just physically), best fucks, most women will ever be around. I can connect and read them on a level most men never care to... You see if you think a woman would cheat on you it's because YOU haven't given her enough reason not to.

Now if I was to date a woman and she cheated, not only would the relationship be over, but I would certainly take some responsibility for it. After all if she was happy and wanted me why would she cheat? (With the exception of the rare true nymphomaniac). If she was getting all the good sex she needed she wouldn't have gone elsewhere.

Women cheat on men who don't give them what they need, emotionally, physically, sexually, intimately, whatever, your job in a relationship is to give them what they need but nor more..... Most guys either suffocate a woman in one area or don't give them enough of another area.

Go work on your self-confidence, and don't be a douche bag who helps women cheat and I promise your paranoia will retreat, guys paranoid about cheating are normally guys who commit adultery with regularity or would.... Really your opinion says a lot about you and your behavior as weel as the women you tend to engage in these relationships with.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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When you apply pickup to a relationship it's like being an animal trainer. And as such, you don't blame the animal for it's nature. You manipulate the animal with your intelligence and make it do what you want. If it does something wrong, you don't blame it because you know it's just a big dumb animal. You may still have to punish it, but it's just part of the job. And you can train as many animals as you want because you know that most animals are trainable if you know how to do it. Maybe you come across one that doesn't have the temperament to be trained, so you cast it aside and find one of the many others that can be well trained.

I was recently amazed, tho not surprised, by something my girl said to me. I'm sexually domineering, physically aggressive, emotionally insensitive and insulting towards her, and she's been threatening to leave me and nagging me since the beginning of our relationship (not constantly). Then the other day she's like: "I know we fight a lot, but I think I like you even more because of it." WUAW?!? With her own words she validated EVERYTHING that I've said and done that she claimed she didn't like. She proved to me that what I was doing is indeed the right thing because not only was I reinforcing my frame of not giving a fuck and telling her how it is, but she then agreed that she likes me even more because of it.

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Attraction is something that is spun in the moment and weaved. Attraction is one element of the ball of emotions between you and a girl. I actually agree to some degree that cheating can be hard to prevent due to the emotional nature of women's actions. However, rather than spinning attraction constantly you should aim to maintain it. Maintaining attraction is more about polarity rather than the "in the moment" attraction that PUA are generally good at creating. You should check out the video by RSDTyler about attraction vs. polarity.

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You explanation is excellent and clear. I was impressed with this post and am looking forward to reading more from you.
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