I met a HB8, Ashley, at a bar. We started talking and had a really good conversation. At some point she mentioned she was a "full blown lesbian". I said something like she should try the other side, because how could you not like something you've never tried? Then she bought me a drink, and later gave me a ride back to my buddy's place. In the parking lot on the way to her car, I said "I'm going to try something and I hope you don't get mad," then I turned and kissed her, and she started making out with me pretty hardcore. I can't remember if she bought me the drink before or after she mentioned she was a lesbian.

On the ride home she talked about having a date with some girl and I jokingly said, "That's ok, I love threesomes!" and she replied by telling she'd call me for a threesome.

When we got to my buddy's place, I tried to get her to come upstairs, but I was unsuccessful. She gave me her number and said "You should really call me!" It seemed genuine, and I could tell she was into me (we had a deep conversation on a lot of other stuff). I kissed her again, and then got out of her car.

(I think that next time something like this happens, I need to say, "Do you want to come up for a drink/other innocent activity?", instead of "Do you want to come upstairs?")

I tried texting two days later:

Me: OMG you're not going to believe what happened last night!
HB: Who is thiss
Me: Oh sorry, wrong Ashley

She didn't text me back, so I sent her a message today (this is 4 days after meeting her) that said:

"Hey Ashley, its PUA-InTraining from the [bar we were at]"

That was 7 hours ago and she hasn't texted me back. Did I fuck up with the opener? What I should do next? I'm not planning on texting her again tonight if she doesn't text me back, but I'd like to know when/what my next message should be.

Yea, I like where you were going with that text, but saying "Wrong Ashley" is a little too dismissive. You should've just made up some crazy thing that happened and got to texting with her a little. Also, when number closing them, send them a text right away and have them put you into their phone properly. That way they can't try to DLV you with a "Who is this?" response the next time you text them.

Lesbos can be tough because they have that inner conflict. I mean obviously this girl is bi, not full on lesbo. But if she is more lesbo than bi, that makes it more difficult. I honestly don't think she'll be responding to you. A lot of girls lose interest no matter what you do, so if you annoyed her with your "wrong ashley" text, then it's likely she won't be communicating with you anymore. I'd recommend calling her the old-fashioned way and be chipper and upbeat and forget about the texting. Sometimes we get caught up on what exactly to write in texts, or how to repair a bad text exchange, when in reality we could just call them up and start talking to them like a normal human being and everything would be fine.

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Very commendable work up to this point kudos Bro!

Here it slides back a little.
This threw up a red flag, hit her in the head with a brick! "OMG, I'm a sworn in card carrying lesbo, if I go up I'm required to fuck this guy.....NOT HAPPENING."

Much better would have been. "Hey your cool, you should come in and see my Hello Kitty salt and pepper shaker collection."

Or recovery. "I see that look. don't think for a minute your going to come in and have sex with me, I'm not THAT slutty. I thought you could give me some advice on something."

She was NOT into you as much as the "Experimental Moment".

She now knows your only attempting to contact, in hopes of fucking her, the chance of a reply are slim to none.

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Thanks for the tips guys. After this all happened, my buddy suggested I "best friend" her, which I think is probably brilliant. This lets me neg on her occasionally, go out sarging with her, and if she wants to hook up with me great, if not, oh well nothing lost. She seemed like a cool chick either way. If I'm hitting on other girls at the bar while she's with me, it can only build attraction to me (if I do it right). Best case scenario is threesomes.

I played the whole lesbian thing cool and acted like it didn't phase me, and I just wanted to be with her for who she was, and not because she was a lesbian (even though that's one of my fantasies). Whenever it came up I just acted like it wasn't a big deal (because it isn't about that, its about HER).

I'll keep the "wrong Ashley" comment in mind, and try to just build a conversation with the girl next time. For future reference though, when I immediately send the text after the kiss close and get her to put it into my phone, what do I say? How about "You can just put it in as 'late night' or 'booty call'." or something like that? What's a good closer line here? And what do I send? A smiley face? My name? first and last? Obviously I will always go for the full-close, but in cases where that doesn't work I'll do the number close.

I think that the "don't think for a second you're getting into my pants, I'm not THAT slutty" or the Hello Kitty Saly & Pepper shaker collection closers are brilliant. It's great because she'll know full-well you're full of shit, but she wants it so bad she just needs some bullshit excuse to go up to your place. It seems like women will take ANY excuse no matter how lame it is, they just need to somehow rationalize their decisions. I may buy some interesting piece of crap to keep on the coffee table that can lead to me touching her (maybe like a massage device or something) and so I can be "So I wanted to ask you a question. blah blah blah." ... "ohh hey let me show you this cool thing! It's amazing!" (I'd appreciate a question suggestion too)

With regards to the bi/lesbian, she told me she realized she was "different" in high school, and that hadn't been with a dude since then, but obviously I was pushing her buttons really strong because she was really into me. I think the thrill of a guy that knew how to push her buttons correctly was the thing that was turning her on. Maybe all the other guys that hit on here were all douche bags.

With regards to the phone call, what do I say? My guess is that it'll go to voicemail, and so I'd need to leave something good to say that doesn't come across as needy, and just says 'hey, let's hang out'. I may want to acknowledge that I was an idiot with the "wrong ashley" text, but I would need to do it in a way that doesn't sound beta (or is acknowledging my idiocacy a completely wrong thing to do?) Most of my comments have been alpha (e.g. her, walking to her car:"I can't believe we just made out, I have a date tomorrow night!" Me: "haha, that's fine, that makes two of us!") And when do I call? Tonight will be +5 days after meeting her, +1 after my last text of "hey its PUA-InTraining".

This girl is a college student for the university I work at, and we talked about getting lunch at the dining hall or meeting up or whatever (it might have even been her suggestion, I can't remember). We're on winter break now though until the end of January. I'd be cool with just being her friend, because I'm sure she has plenty of hot friends too, and its a good "in" to the group.

Also - Heywood: When I left her car, it wasn't showing desperation or anything, it was just "Do you want to come upstairs?", "No" (and I don't even think it was a firm no), "Ok, cool". (In fact, I asked her on the way back if she wanted to just drive to her place, and she said no because her roommate was there, and then she said she'd drive to my place, but I live in the next town over and would have no way to get my car back the next morning, so I had her go to my friends house where I've got my own guest room). I just wasn't sure what to say at this point, because I hadn't experienced the situation before.

But again - ultimate question - what do I say on this next phone call (and possibly my last)? Can I reopen her in a month after school gets back and be like "hey its PUA-InTraining, we met at the bar a month ago, let's hang out" or something like that. If I leave a good enough message, I have a feeling that I might get a random late night text from her one night that says "hey, come over," even if she doesn't respond to me right away.

Thank you again so much! This is extremely helpful!

At this point you could fuck with her head. Contact her and tell her you met some other gorgeous chick who is bi-curious and you are trying to get her into a threesome too. But she said she needs to be able to trust the other girl and that the other girl can't be ugly or psycho. This will stimulate your target's curiosity and a lengthy, sexually charged discussion will ensue. This will get her talking about sexual stuff again and her involvement with you. If she seems receptive you can arrange that you two meet up again. You obviously don't want to put too much emphasis on the "other girl" because at a certain point you'll have to tell her that the other girl stopped answering her phone so you are done with her. Then it's kind of like "Oh well, it's just us now!"

Remember, you're not lying to her in order to get her to show up to a threesome that isn't going to happen. You are merely lying in order to re-initiate a dialogue with her.

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I know what you mean buddy. I have similar experience with feminine lesbians! With lesbians, you should f-ck close them the same night. They are attracted guys..their body physiologically respond to a man's touch and pheromones. I am talking about the 'feminine lesbians', the one of the two that acts as the women in the relationship. If you don't close the deal on the same day..they will get buyers remorse next day. They will act as girls with a bf will act..they can not hold themselves, the same night they are aroused by a guy, but later on they will feel bad for wanting to be with you. I learned that lesson the hard way...just move on, next time do not hesitate when the time comes to f-ck her in the car if possible, before she has the time to get buyers remorse. And to get her to come to your place...tell her that you want to show her your pet, a fish!

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I love feminine lesbians..and they love me, even for only one night!

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Wow dude, that's absolutely brilliant! I love this suggestion! Its DHV and builds sexual tension really well!

I think a better idea might be to go to the bar for the next few nights and be on the lookout for a bi-curious girl that would actually be down for this. Then I could just tell Ashley that the girl went home for Christmas break while I find a target. If I can't find someone, I'll just tell her its "just us now, but let's find another girl." I'm going away for several days anyways, so this will give me some time to practice.

I've never actually had a threesome before. I'm confident that I can pull it off like a pro once I'm in the moment (from what I've read, it just needs to be about THEIR pleasure and not yours, and you will be rewarded), but I'm not sure exactly how to approach this game plan. I think I gave off the impression to Ashley that I have threesomes all the time, and that this is a normal recurring event for me (probably a good thing).

How exactly do I execute this? Like lets say I call her up and it goes to voicemail (most likely scenario)...

"Hey its PUA-InTraining. I met this gorgeous chick that is bi-curious, but she said she needs to be able to trust the other girl and that the other girl can't be ugly or psycho. [what do I say here??]" - If its a voicemail, I can even pretend like bi-curious is standing right in front of me, like "what's that? lol I'm not sure if she's down for that but you'll have to ask her" (or is this crossing the line into lying?) I can do this right outside a bar where its noisy too, that would be even better for effect. Or should this phone call be during the day?

If she calls back right away, I can just not answer and call her back the next day. "I got busy with the other girl I didn't have time to text you back." Or do I call her back in 15 minutes and tell her the other girl freaked out and left when she shows up? The only problem is she might ask to talk to the other girl, in which case this would blow up in my face. And she might be pissed to drive out to me only to find out that the other girl left and question me on my BS.

But if she answers, then what the hell do I say? Do I even bring up the threesome story? Let's say I do... I need some sort of background story on this imaginary girl since I have no experience with this situation whatsoever. How did I meet her? What does she do? What's her name? Last name? etc...? And what do I talk about? I could lie a lot better if had an idea of a character to develop for this story, keeping it simple obviously because its just some chick I met at the bar.

"Hey Ashley, what's up?"
"Hey"
[????]

Do I even bring up the threesome? This may sound strange, but I've never actually had to actually talk to a girl on the phone before having sex with her. Majority of my lays have been by meeting in person, and then hooking up with them that night or when I randomly run into them again later (or because we're all hanging out with the same group of friends). My phone/text game needs improvement, because whenever I actually get their number, my conversion rate is like 1-5% to ever see them again.

Unrelated question: Do women respond better to "gorgeous" or "beautiful" more so than "hot"?


conquistador1982 - This girl is the "aggressor" in the relationship (that's what she told me). So she's the one that went after another girl when this whole thing started.

Does a girl really feel bad for wanting to be with you if you turn her on, then don't fuck her? This is news to me... And is it bad that they feel this way for wanting to be with you? It seems to me that if you just ignore her after this (as long as she continues to see you having fun/being the life of the party), then her desires are going to just going to build up inside of her until she can't take it anymore and eventually pounce on you. This is what I'm trying to do with Ashley, if we turn into a friend type relationship.

No good news to report, unfortunately.

I texted her this last night ~6pm:

"Hey i met this gorgeous girl that is bi-curious. She's interested in a threesome, but she said that she needs to be able to trust the other girl and that she can't be ugly or psycho. Come meet us for a drink."

But no response. I guess this is basically a dead lead... do you guys usually just delete their phone numbers at this point and move on, or should I followup with another text like two weeks later - "Got another one - a smoking petite little 9.5! You should come meet up!" or is she obviously not interested and I'm basically being creepy at that point? Is persistence just a waste of my time now?

Also, if I ever run into her on campus, do I do the "Ohh hey Ashley," give her the brief smile, and then keep walking? Is that the best tactic?

(Note: I was going to call her last night, but my buddy said girls just don't answer the phone anymore and thought it'd be better to text.)

I would just keep her idle in your phone, for a bit, put Lez-on-ya after it for memory, if she doesn't contact you in a month or so ...delete! Or if your tempted to horny drunk dial some night with a god old fashion "DTF?" text late at night.. LOL

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Cool. I'm going to start prefixing these girls with "zz"s so they so they just appear at the bottom of my phone. I think I'll refer to them "sleepers" or "z"s.

What's a good response to the "who's this?" after my "DTF?" message, which will inevitably happen someday with some girl? Have you ever f-closed a "who's this?" that didn't remember you?

I was successful, actually in turning a drunken DTF into a fwb.

I sent out like 3 DTFs to randoms on my phone.

2 replied.

1. No I'm in bed! LOL pervert!

2. Her: Who is this?

Me: Dorian Gray.

Her; Bullshit I read that Haha nice try.

Me: You know who, so you coming over?

Her: Over where? and WTF is DTF???

Me: OMG this is "Shelly" Right? (of course I knew it wasn't)

Her: No it's not!! Who the FUCK is this and what is DTF??

Me: Heywood duh, my bad on the mix-up.

Her: Ahhh what are you up to Mister? (she still calls me Mister lol)

More banter..bla...bla

Her: Pleases tell me what is DTF?

Me: Never mind It's dirty...you said your a good girl.

Her: I can be dirty sometimes

Me: Want to come over watch a movie, have a drink? (we never started the movie...or finished our drinks, but I did later tell her what DTF meant LMFAO!)

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Awesome. Thanks heywood, that's really helpful.

When you are texting her, does the 15 minutes-between-texts not apply, because it is the end of the night, and you're just trying to find a fuck buddy before everyone goes to sleep?

A. Those text were almost immediate (except for like taking a piss, making a drink, changing the channel, answering other text).

B. FUCK the "rules" sometimes.

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Thanks!