What I meant when I said that I can be shy and yet confident at the same time is that one isn't 100% confident and one isn't 100% shy. We experience a mix of emotions and feelings all the time and with me I have the confidence to tell a woman that I am shy or reserved or new to a certain thing such as dancing and that I am going to do it but don't expect anything.

For example:
I am a very confident man who builds kino and has amazing interactions with women all the time whether it be at a club or randomly during the day or with my friends. But when it comes to kissing, for some reason I am shy. I'll do it, I have done it plenty of times, but its something that I have not completely gotten used to or something. Everytime I go for a kiss I get all nervous and I know it shows which probably makes me look awkward lol but whatever.

I'm just saying you can have certain areas in your life on lock down and then be new to certain areas where you are a littly shy at first. Some might say that you are not completely confident then. Well if you say that then you might as well say nobody is 100% confident.

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I completely agree. For all developing PUA's with inner game issues: DO NOT project an image of yourself that you cannot backup in the later stages of the sarge. Make it known that you are a little shy, and that you are human---women love this. If you blush, be C&F about it and tell her it's because of that dress she's almost wearing. On the flip side, you must always remain confident and consistently so, else you run the risk of coming off AFC. It's all about balance, and calibrating it in the field to your level of inner game.

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You know what,I wish you good luck approaching a group of 3 hotties and 'entertain' them with your direct approach..Oh I am laughing hysterically as I write this picturing you doing that mighty move and expecting the response of the gurls..
Just listen to me cuz I am tired of posting in this thread,ur direct approach may work only on a girl by herself,but putting aside the odds of a having a girl by herself which is extremely rare,the direct approach just sucks and it shows no value..If you can open with a casual comment or even a compliment then you have a better chance and if with an opinion opener then all the better..I know this because I have field tested them all and the indirect approach is just good..
Ur theories on shyness are really amusing guy and it just made my day..Shyness and Confidence are not opposites..Yeah right..I wont go on discussing such a trivial matter,all i ask u is to stand in front of the mirror and try to match ur shyness look with that of confident posture and c how it works..But just as u confused ace of spades and made him check his vocabulary,I want u to lend me ur dictionary to c how ur new language works..And oh dont give me speech bout 'behind the enemy lines'ur words are so darn obvious and it speaks of unreality

Hey maybe thats what works for you, who are you tell tell him his methods dont work for him??? I am going to be honest, i read everything romeo writes and it makes sense to me, i read what other people write and it still makes sense to me, what i choose to utilize in my own game is my decision and nobody elses. So what right does anybody have to say that any advice written is false because you have a different view on it.

And to put it out there, I am a shy guy. People tell me all the time, i know im shy, i am not going to PRETEND i am not shy, but this because i am shy does not mean i have no confidence. Personally, i think opening girls with opinions i could get from a 6 year old is stupid, but thats my view, i dont bash anybody for doing it. Obviously that style isnt for me so i dont use it, but i dont go around telling people its no good because it is good for others. And to complete my rant, when i am talking to girls, i do not fabricate stories to make it seem i am better than i am, i tell it how it is.

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U obviously didnt read my post very well,I didnt tell him that his methods don work,I just told him that they are really not reliable and maybe work for him(lucky though) but for the majority I just DONT THINK it is gonna work and that is my sole opinion..For the part of fabricating stories,If u do it congurently and master ur delivery,then it doesnt matter if i make it up or not,all that matters is I trigger the switches by DHVing..This is especially true if u dont have many (value raising) experiences in life.. I am still Waiting for Romeo to demonstrate his direct approach on group theory to share with me some tactics that maybe i dont know(and i ain't kiddin here)

Well if you feel lying about your life is the way to go, then we obviously have different principles. For the DHV stories, who's fault is it that you dont have many? Nobody but your own, and i am saying that in general, not directed towards you or anybody else. if i need some stories, im going to go out and get them, not sit around and fabricate them. Sure we can exaggerate here and there to make things seem better and less dull, but thats what i feel is right for me and thats something i will not change.

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Without getting into the dychotomy of shyness and confidence, the philosophical discussion about the duality of the PUA and the mindboggling question of whether it is possible to be both at the same time, there is just one last point I wanna contribute before I go to bed.

DHV routines are NOT NECESSARILY STORIES. There's plenty of shit out there that ANYONE CAN LEARN, without lying: cube, 5 questions, 'tell me 3 things and make 1 of them a lie', cs vs us, best friends test, strawberry fields, 3 brothers story, fuck, the list goes on and on. They don't require lying, and as long as you are having fun while delivering them, they're not gonna come off as weird. You don't have to tell stories about how you had to fight off seven thugs to protect your ex-stripper playboy model girlfriend from getting mugged. It's a point Style makes, interactive value displays (IVD) are more powerful than DHV-spiked stories. They also get the other person to invest. I seriously suggest you try them out, they can keep an entire set entertained for a very long time. And those routines became famous because they work. People, especially girls, will eat this shit up. People love talking about themselves. It's FUN. Try each of those routines a dozen times, then come back and tell me they're crap or good for 6 year olds (yes, I know you were talking about openers not routines, Ice).

And if you're gonna use the word 'shy' (I'll repeat again: meaning 'nervous and uncomfortable around other people'), then don't claim it as your strength, because it's not. It's just a personality trait, and it's possible to change it - not pretend you're not shy, but stop being shy altogether. I know because I've done it. I see what you mean, Jack, but I don't think you are 'shy' in the sense of the above definition. You may be quiet, reserved, I don't know, anything. I'm not sure why I'm even making this point, it's just fucking semantics, and it's not gonna change a thing.

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Totally agreed ace. Shy is not the proper word but I feel as if you know what I am saying now which is important. I'm not a walking dictionary like some people around here and it seemed like the right term at the right time. My apologies.

And onemanshow it is the other way around to be honest, my posture and body language are very tight but like I said, some things I am just (dare I say the word) shy with.

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Just some of your writing... Forgive me for what I'm about to do, but you're making an ass out of yourself.

1st: Improve your spelling dude, and by the way try capitalizing your *I*.

2nd: That 'mighty move' huh? You sure direct approach SUCKS on a Group set!? There is either one of two things here: You either never have seen how this works, which is SURPRISING because people who don't use indirect game ALSO happen to approach sets of 2 or more. This has been happening even before PUA arts were formed, (just in case you didn't know that) OR You have a complete wrong view of Direct Game (I'll give you a hint: Direct doesn't necesarily mean "You're fkin cute" all the time)

3rd: Shyness look? Since when is there a 'shyness look'?

4th: My words speak of unreality? Behind the 'enemy' lines? Um... enemy? Who in the Hell mentioned 'enemy' lines? Um... That's awesome! Errr... wrong... I said between lines.
It's cool you have your opinion, but you still believe Direct approaches on sets of 2 or more don't work... That's ok too... You havent'seen much... Like I said earlier, I have used, still use, and seen others use Direct Approach on sets of 2 or more... I hope you have too... if no, you really need to go out more. How about you start a Thread "Does Direct Approach work on sets of 2 or more?"
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I don't like your antagonistic tone towards certain members of my forum! You and Meth are both condescending, arrogant, and not the least humble. Both of you leave before I ban you! Perhaps in time you’ll mature. Thread locked.