Well when it comes to shy girls it can be difficult simply because they often times give you very little to work with but the best overall way to approach shy girls is to make sure you have non-threatening body language. Remember a shyness is a form of social anxiety similar to approach anxiety. So basically you are dealing with girls who are anxious/afraid a lot of times.

When it comes to shy girls you want to approach them with palms open, head turned, smile, and since you are taller probably a little narrower of a stance. The goal is to make sure as you are approaching her you face her directly so she can see all of you and you don't look like your hiding, however as you get nearer to her you want to stop and being so direct and kind of walk up next to her. This will make sure you aren't very threatening and she will at the same time have got a good size view of you already. As you settle in to start the conversation you can copy her posture to build a subconscious rapport with her.

As you open the woman you want to aim to say something funny and/or comfortable. With shy girls you tend to need to nail the opening line and then read their reaction and then comment on their reaction body language wise so that you can gain kind of a connection with her quickly, so she sees you understand her. If you get a smile from a funny line, you just pile another funny line on or say that wasn't a joke joking around with her to get her to smile again.

With shy girls the most important thing is to get her comfortable with you(this is with all women), sometimes this means you have a conversation with her body language. She says something with her body language and you take it as an answer and continue having the conversation, this is something I recently realized I do with shy girls, I have a conversation with her without her actually saying anything.

This way they get comfortable with you by having an interaction for a second and then you just ask them more about their reaction or why they "didn't like that"? Then you asked about their feelings and all of a sudden you have an authentic connection with her and she'll start right in on a conversation a lot of times.

This doesn't work every time but I can usually pull it off and even with girls who "just got shy" because of my assertiveness it will work on to build comfort as long as you maintain that nonthreatening but confident body language.

I hope that is good if you need anymore help let me know but I think that should cover it....


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I was reading through older parts and came across this

Watching Their Feet- Looking at their feet while they are walking is an obvious submissive signal that we tend to miss. If they make eye contact and do this you are in solid shape for an approach. A lot of times when a girl likes you she will pass you more than once trying to attract attention. As they walk by they will be looking at their feet and in some cases they may preen as they pass by. This one is really difficult to see because this is a shy girl type of thing, they may not make eye contact but it is very plausible they do.

Watching What They are Doing- Sometimes a girl will pay far to close of attention to something she already knows how to do naturally. Sometimes it will be followed by preening this most of the time is accompanied by a lot of eye contact.

What exactly do you do if they are watching their feet? Usually I wait to make eye contact before talking, but obviously if they are not gonna make eye contact then what would you say would be the best way to open on them?

I guess a uh example would be this girl who liked me always walked in the direction of where I was as a part to wherever she was going. I waited too long (had to straighten out othrr stuff first) and when I asked her out she said she was seeing somene

I havent noticed her again for a couple of weeks until a couple days ago I noticed that she started to walk right next to me but never looking at me so I always feel like I have nothing to say

Hey bro,

Sorry, I meant to get back to you a few days ago but the forum has been struggling the last few days....

Anyways how do you react when a woman is staring at her toes?

Well you can do this one of several ways, you can look at her toes with her, and say something like:

"Well I agree you have nice shoes, but do you have to stare at them while you are walking?"

"Sheez, I know I make women nervous but I never had one so nervous they couldn't look away from their toes."
-This is more of a narration line where you joke around with her and wait for a reaction, then scoop it when she gives you one.

"Wow! Look at how intense your staring at your toes, they must be mesmerizing to watch."

"Still learning to walk? I know I had to look at my feet when I was learning too."

All of these lines rely on you having good body language, a good energy and really smiling when you say them so they can smile back. It really isn't as important what you say to a girl that is staring at her toes, you just need to get her to look up and engage in conversation.

The girl you are talking about seems to be sending you plenty of sexual overtures, I means she keeps walking by you, unless your location is in a high traffic area. Women who send sexual overtures feel like they are putting themselves out there and it is your job to engage them and get them to engage you. In this situation I would honestly just say "hey I haven't seen you in a few weeks, how you been?" Then if the interest is still there you just do the normal flirt, create/allow attraction, connect, and build sexual tension and you are home free. It all starts with you just engaging in conversation with her, if there is already attraction all you have to do is start the conversation with the most minimal effort and she will jump at the chance most of the time. You may need to engage her in conversation for a minute before she gets comfortable but after that she should be all over you like a fat kid on a cupcake.

I hope that is enough..... If you need more just ask, again I'm sorry for not getting back to you sooner.


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Thanks for getting back to me, I know it must be tough being a forum leader haha

So here is where I am at right now. There is this shy girl that I like. In my opinion I think she is about as shy as I am which is difficult to overcome. To be more exact, I asked her out, but she said she was seeing someone...my fault mostly had to sort through other areas of my life first.

Fast forward a couple weeks she sort of resurfaces when I see her around the campus (we have no classes or mutual friends). I said hi to her the other day and it was just really obvious how differently she acted towards me compared to my friend who said hi as well (differently in a positive body language way).

How do I go about trying to ask her out again?

Well, since you didn't get compliance the last time, I would do exactly as I was saying to start the conversation:

"Hey doll, I haven't seen you around for a couple of weeks, how have you been?"

Then it is is up to you to get the conversation started, I'd probably say something like:

"Thought you dropped for a second. What happened to you? it seemed like a I used to see you everywhere. Then you were like a ghost gone."

Then when she says something you just evoke more conversation out of her, you can use the Noun tactic where you choose a noun out of her statement and ask her to emphasize, or you can repeat what she said last and she'll emphasize.

You just need to evoke a conversation and get her comfortable talking for a few minutes after that you can say something like this to close:

"Hey well unfortunately like you I'm a busy body and got to get to class, but rather than running into each other here and there I was wondering if you'd like to grab dinner/cup of coffee?"

Or:

"Hey well I know we are both busy, we wouldn't be here if we weren't I'd really like to see you for more than the glances we grant each other here and there. Put your number in my phone, and we'll run into each other on purpose for our first time."

Just basically you have to be direct you can't just hope to meet up with her. Be confident, confident people go after what they want. The key to all of it is evoking a natural conversation where you gain a connection, some rapport, comfort, and compliance, then when she seems like she is comfortable with you and agreeable with everything you say, you let her know you are busy and have to be somewhere. Ask for a way to hang out again by gaining contact information. It's pretty basic...

If you are having trouble getting her to get comfortable with you, you can grant her a good genuine compliment (not I like your shoes, or nice hat, but a good genuine compliment.

I know you are saying you are shy but you just have to nut up there is no other way to put it except you have to just start a conversation nothing changes.

I hope that is good enough, I tend to let conversations flow like water so I won't fight which way it goes. That is how you build a connection, by making the conversation two ways and listening. This is why I won't tell you what to talk about but give you a few lines to get you started in the right direction.

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I also realized after looking at the situation, that she is probably just as shy as me, if not more. That makes me feel a lot better and a lot more on her level coz we are both inexperienced! We have gone home for thanksgiving break so when we get back the following week, it will be really easy to just start talking to her about her break and then take the conversation from there, I am NOT going to coward out, I've said that so many times so that it will stay in my mind this time

Why isn't this stickied? This is the best collection of body language cues I've seen yet.

Good Luck Breezy! Let me Know how it goes.


Thanks Frank I'm not sure why this thread hasn't deserved to be stickied, it has been suggested multiple times in PMs and messages, you can ask the mods if you'd like.

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Thanks man we will see shortly when i get back on monday!

Fantastic. Gonna take me a while to finish all this though -_-

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This has been very helpfull to me. I would like to add some info that might help in return for all the good info you gave.
Do not know where to start, so ill start with my history:
I never understood how to attract girls, so I flirted like they did. I became a shy girl inside hoping to get a girls atention, embarrassing I know. I wont explain in details how it came to that but later on I started to build on my mind and body. I still had no clue of how to act to get the girl. Most of the girls I had came from confident drunk behaviour. I would do nothing to get a girl to like me because I expected them to want me, some did, so I had sex. I never learned how (or rather realy wanted) to pick out a girl and showed her my attributes. The girls I had, showed interest first and allways more interest in me, so my mind is telling me that the girl should go up to me, they should find the words and try to seduce me. So knowing that doesnt make me do the things I should, I feel like I have a low libido, especialy at clubs, I get IOI from a lot of girls but cant respond as they deserve from me a propper responce. I do try to "fix" myself and every day seems to be an improvement.

Now: I am talking to some girls I met/meet, going out for coffee. But I cant seem to get the attraction going. I am the kind of person that you can talk to about anything. I talk to strangers often and most of them realy open up. I just enjoy the conversation so much that I forgot that I am there to try and get a sexual connection. I rarely have that moment of silence with people. Could this make some girls forget about wanting to have sex with me, like getting friendzoned? Good thig I atlest remember the last moment to give some of them a hugg. I try to give girls a show of who I am, thinking unconciously that they must like me for who I am, thinking I can now invite her to my place and kino there. Havent done this alot, it works and doesnt.
I seem to lose interest in girls that do not show high interest in me after we meet or I text her. If I arrange a date I expect her to try and get another date with me, or when I tekst her and we talk I expect her to try and send the first text the next time. I want to know what are most girls thinking of why they have no interest in contacting me first. The answer I gave myself is they are either busy, got tons of guys harrasing them, they feel like a princes and expects guys to do everything, or the worst of all, lost interest.

Body language: I didnt knew all the stuff I know today but I did do some of the stuff naturaly when I let my inner beast run wild. I knew when to kiss a girl, I knew when to kino, what to say, how to act... Now reading all you wrote gives me an analytical view on surroundings. I now think before I do and sometimes do it, I think of how to get to that stage that I want with a girls. I know the things I learned from you can improve my game alot more. But I still feel I am not even on half way to knowing what I need to know. I want to change my pattern of thinking but this I know is not a an easy goal to achieve.

Hey,

I am very happy you got something out of this thread and so many have it seems.

First of all I highly recommend focusing on building your self-confidence as it sounds like you are a little too pessimistic about a girl not calling you or texting you. Unfortunately the world we live in is a world where we are expected to push the courtship forward further, you need to be persistent but not needy.. Yes if she doesn't get back to you after a bit of time you have to try again.

Self-confidence will also help with your pattern of thinking as it completely transforms your thought process.

I'd also recommend getting sexual in your conversation, it's important you realize that joking about sex is a good thing, building a connection is key (keep doing it) but you also need to learn to build some sexual tension. So yes you need to start escalate things. Joking about sex in a conversation isn't a bad thing, in fact if she is attracted she'll have it in the back of her mind. Learn to push the conversation forward even further.

A couple of days ago I took a girl to lunch and we had a nice conversation where joked a little, but as soon as I shifted it to sex more joking around she ended up that much more attracted and she started showing a lot more signs of attraction. Her smiles were bigger and eye contact stronger, it escalated things a bit. You need that sexual language so that the attraction escalates.

As far as the girls with high-interest, learn to get high interest from most girls and then you'll have your pic of the lit. You do this by becoming attractive (good body language, dress right, confidence, etc.), continue making that connection, and start building sexual tension (touch, eye contact, silence, etc.).

I'm not sure what your question was overall but I commented on the areas you sound unsure about... Just hit me up with your exact question and I'll be able to be more specific.

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I had a question about fiddling with objects and distractions.

I was sitting in on a couple of classes for this program I am interested in taking and was introduced to this girl who is in the program. Whenever we talk we make really strong eye contact and the past couple of times it seems she has been playing with something. Specifically, today we were talking and her body was facing me but she grabbed a lock from a locker and was messing around with it (while talking to me and making eye contact). The other day we were talking and she grabbed onto something ( I forget what it was). Is this a distraction or her just fiddling.

Also, the last class I sat in on I asked her if I could visit another one of her classes and she picked out a class to visit but then another classmate came up and said "I don't think you should come (they're doing presentations for this class) because it might mess up the dynamic because we're so used to seeing the same faces while presenting". The first still said a couple of times that I should come and then a few minutes later the second one ended up coming up to me and told me I should come and she didn't want to come off as rude.

Anyways, like I said, when we talk it's strong eye contact and her body is facing me (sometimes with crossed legs, maybe you could let me know more about this as well) but it seems like she's been looking for something to play with. Distraction or fiddling with the item?

Hey Fischer9,

Damn, my bad I didn't realize anyone posted a question. It sounds as if she is fiddling not distracting herself, she is engaging you in conversation, facing you, and eye contact, all are strong signs of attraction.

The thing with body language is that you can't just say one thing or the other without just looking at the big picture, her making eye contact, facing you, and engaging you is a cluster, then you have one other thing, is she fiddling or distracting? Well based on all the info you've given it sounds like fiddling, too many signs point to attraction and not enough point to signs of disinterest.

I would also glance at her feet here and there, when her feet point toward you it is a strong sign of interest. Her feet show her subconscious interests. This is a sign we usually miss but it is almost always a strong sign of interest.

Look for preens as well as submissive signals, these both help show interests, if you'd like you can check out my show Does She Like Me? to watch two 10 minute episodes on both preens and submissive signals. They are often missed signs because most people don't realize the simplicity of both signals.

Remember it is all about clusters when it comes to attraction, you need to look at her body language overall and make a decision, follow your intuition(that feeling) if you feel she is attracted she probably is, don't ignore that feeling pay attention to it.

I hope that answers your question.


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