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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:29 pm 
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Before the actual report just some stuff you should know:

Ive gotten into PUA about 2 weeks ago and havent got my shit totally down yet. Im 21, this girl is 18 and i asked her out last friday. When i have seen her out with guys she rarely smiles and looks like a total bitch. We have known each other for some time and she knows im the leader of men, successful in school and my background with women.

So we met up and chated about, i did some DHV and she gave me some IOIs like laughter, always looking into my eyes and always listening closely at what i was saying, playing with her hair. i negged her once and after that she started do DHV and i was like cool story bro, I didnt exactly know how to release it afterwards (use a disqalifier). Couldnt do any kino. When we left the bar she was walking slowly, really close to me and talking about random stuff. when we wanted to say goodbye i told her i like her eyes, esp. the right one ( It work up untill now lol) and what she would say to a dinner next week. She totaly shit tested me and was like whats wrong with my eyes something, i started to panic and said i was joking. So after that we said we would talk early next week.

Question: Should I follow up with a text saying i thought was being funny and cute but was obviously just being cute or something like that. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:19 pm 
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Why couldn't you do any kino? Not even standing in close proximity? Touching her arm while speaking to her? Anyhow. I follow one rule when using negs and disqualifiers. Never apologize or say "I'm just joking". When she was showing you some IOI's and things like that, hit her with a disqualifier, but then you have to pull her back to you. Push - Pull. Push - Pull.

I would leave texting for now. If you do text her, stay light and humorous. Set up the meet. But seriously, unless you haven't done anything to build some comfort (after the push and pull stuff and you can see she's interested) then a dinner date is waaaay too stiff and formal and she'll likely flake you. Suggest a game of pool. A fun activity.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:08 pm 
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Thank you for the reply. We were at a table and the benches were quite far apart so we just talked(i'd have to seriously lean in to get to her). I thought about the lunch (not dinner! pardon my english) part as well and maybe it is a bit too soon. In our county, we have huge subsidies in most restaurants, so it isn't unusual to go on a "student" lunch with a girl. It didn't look like she was hesitating when i mentioned it though. I guess the best thing for now would be to take her to an activity where I can initiate kino. Any suggestions? Pool sounds nice but other than teaching her how to shoot there really isn't a lot to do (: perhaps i am just not seeing it. As far as the im joking part goes, I was just so shocked that it didn't work the beta in me took over. F*ck it.
Havent really gotten the hang of the push pull yet, any good reads/routines or is it mainly practice?
another question is, when do you know to stop A2/A3 and go to comfort? I'm afraid if I go too quick i'll get friendzoned. How many IOIs are enough (from her)?

Thanks for the advice to a newbie :D


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:12 pm 
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Okay here it goes. Activities are better than dinner/lunch dates, because it's quite a high commitment from her side. If you really want a lunch/dinner as a date, rather suggest a coffee at some cool retro place you've been to, but she hasn't.

Activities like mini golf, pool, darts... They disarm her for seeing it as a very formal date and lessen the chance of being flaked. Here's a form of push and pull. Tease her stance while aiming (push), then correct it for her (pull). Also, high 5 her when she sunk a ball.

Push and pull
Compliments = Pull
Teasing = Push
Tell her she is sexy as you hug her (pull), then playfully push her away (push).
Part of me wants to stay here with you, but another part wants to run away!
You are either: the coolest girl I've ever met OR a total weirdo
You are the coolest girls I've talked to…in the last 15 minutes!
You're either really smart…or a total bimbo!
You could be a model if taller and thiner.
Hug a girl then whisper in her ear I hate u so much.
I just love the way u kiss my neck, it's so sexy I've only known three girls that can do it as equaly good.

Important. Pulling too much = Needy. Pushing too much = Well then you are cockblocking yourself

For your question before going into comfort you need to have the following in place:
1) Attraction = Is she into you
2) Qualification = Why is she worth your time

Friendzone or Lets Just Be Friends happens most often when you don't physically escalate and/or when too much time passes (between the meets) and you lose the momentum you built up and she loses interest.

Note that with physical escalation you need to know when she is INVESTING. IOI = Investment

The most important IOIs to look for are:
*She re-initiates conversation when you stop talking
*She giggles
*She touches you
*She tries to get rapport and build comfort with you"

When physically escalating, test her level of compliance. If you lightly punch you, does she punch you back? If you tickle her, does she tickle back? If you want the check out her necklace, does she come closer for you to inspect more?

AFC Stuff: Don't ask her approval. Don't apologize when teasing.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:12 am 
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Wow good stuff man. I'd give you reps if i could but this forum doesn't support any. I'll report back on wednesday.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:56 pm 
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She sent me a text saying she freed her schedule for lunch. Should I just take her for lunch or take her out for in the evening for pool? Im asking whats optimal. Probably going to take her for pool and use her approval for lunch for a later date. any suggestions?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:42 am 
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Make it for the game of pool. Just have some fun. There's one term that you need to apply when going on a date. Momentum.

To advance in game, you need have had some kino.
To advance in location, you need have her attracted to you. IOI's.
To advance in kino, you need to shift location/move to isolation.

Remember that Kino and Game goes hand in hand. They're shadows of one another. Location/isolation is important if you want to advance in both. Kiss closing is good to end of a date, but then you'll need some good text game to keep up the momentum.

One last thing. Making out. Making out is the girl's way of saying. I'm attracted to you. Period. It's a girl's way of saying... I want you. Now. Let's see where this is going. I don't care where you are during Game or Location. Once you are making out shift to Seduce and Isolate (if you're not alone already).

With regards to making out. If you do, make sure you carry the momentum. If you meet up again, you don't need to start from the beginning to warm her up. Just hold her hand, put your arm around her, your hand on her thigh. You need to meet up again, and she'll want to. and from here you can just run with Comfort and Kino. If you fail to meet up again with her soon, she's gonna turn cold. (this is what happened to me) Make sure that the next time you see her, you shift the location if you are around other people.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:21 pm 
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Ok so i picked her up and we went to the pool place and i did a couple of DHV routines ad a couple of negs along the way. We started playing and I started some light kino such as shoulder touching, showing her how to hit the ball and negged her a bit here and there, also some DHV stuff. I did the barelina, some cold reading that she really digged(the cube) and after some kino pinging i asked her what she wanted to be in life etc.. screening stuff, she told me she wants to be a horse trainer etc. I thought i did everything right but somehow she wasnt giving me hard IOIs. I read her that she is very shy though, so that might have something to do with it. I had her buy me a drink and after that we played the question game, asking each other personal questions etc..

This was fun, got to know a lot about her and the way she thinks. I was kino-ing her almost every time she moved by me to take a shot and we also tried to bounce each other to miss the shot. She didn't react to shoulder punches when i said shes such a player for winning the game and such. She did touch her chin with the blue stuff on the stick and I whiped it off. (note to self, learn to read IOIs) As we were walking to the car it was raining hard so I grabbed her by the waist and I had to deliver some paperwork to a friend of mine and aked her if she wants to join me. She said no and that she wants to go home.

As we were driving home I accidentally missed her street (was raining hard) so she said to just go and meet the friend and so I did. As we were driving we were talking about music tastes and nothing really important. on the way back it somehow got to family stuff, she told me her father was an alcoholic and how her relationship with him sucks now etc.. I didnt really know what to say at this point so I started to talk about my shitty realtionship with my father. After that we talked about some stuff I forgot. When I left her off she told me that she had a good time and that we should hang out sometime. I then went and fucked everything up and said sure, but not untill the 4th of dec. cause ima get you real drunk. ( I wanted to be funny lol fml & she told me she aint drinking till 4th of dec) She gave me a weird smile and we said goodbye.

So now what. Im not sure what signals I got but she did comply to my measly escalation, told me she had a good time and that we should see each other soon. Im feeling REAL close to the friendzone right now. Should I break it off or run some text game on her? was planning to take her out on monday when the switch the christmas lights on in our city, really romantic n shit. Did I go to comfort too soon? I got IOIs such as her starting a conversation after I shut up, giggling and light kino from her side.

another thing: when i was paying for the pool she came real close to me and told me she wants to pay half. I had already paid but she smelt so pretty I went to her neck and smelled her and told her: you smell so familiar. she then told me the brand of the parfume and giggled. just noticed this now fuak.

TLDR: figured out she has low self-esteem and is really shy, did some light kino, she didn't want to bounce but eventually did. She said it was fun and told me we should hang out sometime.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:13 am 
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I had a similar thing just the day before. I was at this girls house, there was another guy there, but he was just chilling there. Had my arm round her shoulder, she giggled a lot, gave me playful touches while we were talking about the weekend.

When I went back to my car afterwards, I wanted to kiss close her, saw that she was looking at my lips. I picked it up and kissed her right there at that moment. She reacted positively, instead of actually lip locking with me, she had this huge smile on her face, blushing and stuff. Shy girl.

Anyhow... It seems like you had her. Until the moment you said you wanted to get her drunk.

Her telling you that she wants to see you again is a good thing, meaning that she does enjoy being with you. Remember that before you go into comfort, you had to have made physical touches, the way a Friend wouldn't touch her. like brushing her hair from her face, touching her necklace etc... if she is responding positively to your kino escalation, and showing compliance, kiss closing after a good comfort routine (the cube) is never a bad idea. Be sure the check out Style's EV Routine... (another comfort routine)

Going with you to a friend to deliver paperwork is not exactly her way of having fun I see... Well you see you went from being the fun guy who is funny, has value, and she's enjoying her time with you. I think you tried to shift the location too extremely and to a place she wouldn't actually want to be. Here's what I would suggest. I would've kiss closed after pulling the comfort routine. Chances are, if she did show you good IOI's and being reactive to the stuff you do and say, you would've scored.

Don't worry about the friend zone. Drop texting and see if she initiates with you. Keep texting light and humorous, and you don't have to reply to everything she says. Give her a nickname and tease her a bit (along with a pull too). If she is investing a lot, texting back quickly and often, uses lots of words, laughing etc... push for meet. If she is investing little, freeze out and send her a ping now and then (once every two - three days)

Losing momentum is bad... so If you didn't escalate a lot, or very little... and too many days goes past before the next meet, it's likely that she will LJBF you. On your next meet you're already in comfort, but you lost the physical touch. You'll want to kino again. Touch her her, her necklace... build up, test her compliance and go for the kiss close if she is reacting positively. Make sure that you move the date closer to your house.

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