Iam not sure if this is important, but ill mention it, over the last 2 weeks 'work HB7'(horse smile) has been talking to me about how shes not with her boyfriend any more, and how hes going to new zealand for a month. So I scoped her facebook last nite without adding her, and on her profile it says. ''in a relationship with xxxxx xxxxxxx''..... So would I still go in for the number close/ ask out for date and ignore this, or is this a FLOP too? Are there any extra rules for getting with chicks who have Bf's. Also I know she owes him money, but she says shes gonna get him to forget about it until he's back from his holiday.

Damn, I was REALLY hoping to get into tina, the girl is an angel, Bollocks!(she is the last of the oneitis girls)
BTW Horse smile work girl, doesnt really have a horse smile, it was a neg:-), but I liked your message Preps, I reckon Ill use a variant of that, but replace going out with a coffee or a beach date, even in my youthfull years Iam an old man at heart.

peace

lol yea I figured it to be just a neg I don't doubt the validity of her hotness.

BF's dont matter women make conscious decisions to cheat on their BF's and even husbands everyday.

You just have to ask yourself the question of whether or not you are willing to be with a women like this, and even more importantly actually trust her.

Sorry about Tina mate if you want to stop yourself from falling head over heels in love with every gorgeous women you see I'd suggest my "9 Golden Rules Of Seperation" post.

As for the date ideas they are pretty good, but make it seem spontaneous go out and surprise her with the beach. Always makes for a better story when a girl feels like she is being whisked away instead of planned logistically.

Okay I hear you preps, her FB photo is of her and a female friend(2/10), you cant see anything else, except their faces and hair. So cant use rominos usual tactic, picking a nearby object, and commenting on the detail.. Btw I gave a nickname at our last meet, she has this pale white stripe in her red hair, so its Rogue from X-men who has the same look.
Also Iam planning a double barrelled attack, first I add her then send a message, wait for the reply and then number close on the second, is that okay?. But I will open with a few of these sentences put together or just one of em.

Hey Rogue, I bet you’ve been super conscious about peoples smiles these last few days, been scoping em out whilst you’re on the bus or sat in the classroom?!

Hey Rogue, bet you’ve been scoping everyones smile these last few days, you keep a tally of how many C’s you seen so far?
I forgot to tell you this but the same is true of vagina lips, and if you let me I can tell you what u are!(lol,)

Hey, LOOK! You’re friend is a natural C!? and you know what else, if she puts a white streak in her hair shell look exactly like Rogue too! Suppose girls that look alike must have an affinity toward one another

(Then she replies)

And then my second message, will briefly mirror her first message plus the number close. as below:

I’m never really on here that often, and I would love to see your horse smile over a coffee or a walk on the beach, I can feed you oats, you can gallop with me along the countryside it will be soo romantic, so inbox me your number (smiley) OR

So Neways you’ve had me thinking about that x-woman Rogue and her sexy white streak these last few days, I cant believe you haven’t seen the x-men movies yet, we should get together for a movie night, so drop me youre number(winking smiley)

PS If i sound like a AFC in this reply today, its prob becoz I feel like, Just not feeling the vibe these last two days, and iam pissed off bout Tinas no reply, that but the fact that shes the busiest person on my facebook wall. I know ure destroying ure oneitis, but dont you guys ever hope for the dream girl, lets face it nobody wants to marry the easy to pick up ones, the ones that have shagged half the town!? just sayin:-)

Also, I havnt texted my shy virgin, never been out with a guy, HB6 girl. her text game is boring and often starts her texts with ''LOLLLLL'' and then replying only a sentence or two back. Ive used an opener from this site and also my own super DHV text which she loved, BUT she wanted to add me on FB, does this mean shes trying to friend zone me?
I should also note, shes a different culture/religion, which explains why she would try and friendzone me so i dont fancy my chances much but i reckon I can make out with provided I get her on a 'dvd at mines' night, but not sure how to play this one?

Take out the value seeking things like "Hey Look!" or "So N E ways" you can start without these

Imagine yourself saying them in conversation, Sounds weird right? That's because it is.

As much as the vagina lips made me laugh I wouldn't use that portion otherwise I liked that opener if you scratch that part

"Hey Rogue, bet you’ve been scoping everyones smile these last few days, you keep a tally of how many C’s you seen so far?"

This is simple and effective it adds a nickname (which is awesome for attraction) and is short and sweet. Then brings up a past meeting. I nickname every girl in my phonebook and most of the time I make girls put their number in my phone, and they see all these exciting names of women. A couple have asked me who "the marine", "crazy cabaret", or "the former dirty cop" were

As for the virgin girl It doesn't sound like you are particularly attracted to her, but regardless of the action you take don't feel like you owe her a relationship if you do decide to have sex with her.

I know alot of men who trapped themselves with girls who are virgins because they felt it was the "right thing to do". Even if it meant they were unhappy, it sounds like she does like you but she has shitty social calibration.

Just keep in mind having a girl on call does wonders for your confidence which really does reflect in your game. As misogynistic as it may sound

Lol I feel you on that one mate, but i'll be honest with you that dream girl is just around the corner.

I know I can say I see that gorgeous girl and I'm thinking "damn this is the one she is absolutely stunning." Then you break up or let her walk by and a week later you see a different girl you say the same thing about. You are only as attached as you let yourself become, and there is plenty of "that perfect girl" out there in this huge world of beautiful women.

3,291,805,000 that is the number of women in the world, now tell me you still think there is only one for us human beings to live "happily ever after" with.

guy always want to get the number fast. i dont unterstand. for me a facebook is better: you can check her out, see her pics, whats shes doin, get information on what she likes and what to talk about the next date. plus can bulid some comfort while chatting beofre the next date. i personaly like that, it works for me. maybe not for others

haha nice one preps*"i am never really on here that often, and i would love to see your horse smile for a night on the town. I can feed you oats, you can gallop with me along the countryside it will be soooooo romantic so inbox me your number or we are soooooo getting divorced Smile."" just my style

well amanpua for me it doesnt matter what the facebook status or real life status is. so many girls switch boyfriend or whatever. so a bf should not strand in your way. at least as long as you dont know him. some respect is always nice i think =)

STOP "PS If i sound like a AFC in this reply today, its prob becoz I feel like, " naah, inner game dude, first thing to learn, last thing to master! read this today! http://www.pualingo.com/wp-content/Kill ... ALingo.pdf

ps. forget tina, it hurts, it will hurt you a lot of mor times, but dont get stuck in oneitis, its just pullin you down with no lights on top.


for the virgin girl, id stay max it out, push it a bit, HB6 wouldnt be a big loss, would it? so see how far you can go, shy girls love facebook, bc they can hide chatting whitout looking into eyes. try to get sexual topics there. if she follows, you can do maybe a meeting in a dark room they love dark rooms trust me. i once had a shy little young HB9 trust me, her face was cute and body smokig. she was super shy, barley looked at me while talking to me. we watched a movie at my place, just huggin, no kissn. btw. i watched sucker punch, which kinda turned her on i guess after that i just lift her up and broght to dark bedroom and laied on bed and holy shit, she completly turned. got all over me, startet to kiss and pull my clothes off. tryin to say is shy girls lvoe dark, they have less fear

btw. virgin girls usually are too much effort. a girl that has some exprience (doesnt ahve to be a slut ) will just take less time and probably give better sex

"A couple have asked me who "the marine", "crazy cabaret", or "the former dirty cop" were " haha nice nice!

i sometimes have problems with too little and too much DHV btw. once had a girl add me on FB, first thig she wrote me was *you have so many hot female friends you must be a player , byes* from this pointon i hide my friends list

btw perfect girl, you talk about when you see her . her looks. maybe good for sex, or not event. i dont know about you guys but i wanna bang the charakter of the person. not just the shell of a hooker so any perfect looking girl might be stupid as hell. id even say im sapiosexual. look it up

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any news?!

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Hey guys, thought I'd just update you.

Work girl HB7: added her and then immedialtely sent her the opener, about 'tally of C smiles' that was 24hrs ago
she hasnt added me back yet- no reply

Shy virgin girl: is not giving me enough text to work with, she replies back with short sentences and doesnt tlk about her life, and I fucking hate asking girls questions, i normally subtely illicit what i want in person, so i havent text for a day, ha! - i hate text and iam shit at it

I know I keep talking about this, but iam very pissed off about tina not working out. I keep thinking shes not replied, coz its some sort of shit test, to see if iam creepy, but then she would of replied already its been 2weeks OR shes super shy and hasnt got the balls to send me sumat back. - It was supposed to be a done deal!:-(

overall ive been a dark place this last week, and its difficult to lift myself out of it. last year I had it all and i didnt need PUA skills. I had two girls one in my home town and another in my work town, and had i been more organized i could have had more and now a year a later i aint got shit

Any ways regardless of how the above turns out over the next week, I have started to formulate my strategy for both online and approach game. I have just finished reading 'the game' and started 'savoys magic bullets' and max tuckers book so I feel a little more confident that i would have enough material to open well. But i feel i need to read a little more, before i begin the day game as I can get nervous and run out of things to say during the convo, this is a work in progress. I reckon ill hit supermarkets and shopping malls initially:-)
as for my online game, im REALLY struggling to get girls, so ive gone on dating sites to attempt a facebook close. the plan is to build up alot of hot girls on my facebook inturn my increasing DHV, which then may give me a better shot with the ones ive aready got there.

I'm very familiar with the stage of the Game you put yourself into. This is a huge trap phase it's the thinking of "i'm not good enough now i need more material"

So you become a hoarder of sorts. Burning through all this material trying to stockpile enough game to run a line for line test on a girl to see iif these very gimmicky funny lines work because you think they will.

I have seen guys do this a lot when they start (hell i even did it!), but this is not the mode of action you want to do.

You are good enough now! no amount of material is going to make you better. I'm not saying stop reading, keep it up. Just give your self some practice with the information you do have and use it. If you want to run the canned openers do it, but the best game is that which you make up on your own. When you feel your self vibing, and creating witty responses to challenge her you start to get good enough to do this all the time.

I have been talking a lot around the community on the boards and with friends and even women about subjects this relates to. We have all come to the same conclusion. Men where picking up women before pick up was ever even thought of, so why do so many men think that a mainstream PUA has all the answer that he is unfallible and his demeanor is deitous.

You can do everything you ever thought you couldn't right now! Yes right fuckin now! you can game 8-10's, you can own a room, and you can take any girl home with you that you want. believe this because it is true. You are as good as you ever need to be.

I do everything for me now not to impress anyone else i hit the gym 5 times a week because I want to, i CHOOSE to give affection because i want to, I dress well because i like to. The world doesn't revolve me? Well an astrologist never personally confirmed to me that was a fact. That should be your attitude because you ARE the shit!

Hope this gets you inspired bro I'm in one of those moods again

great to hear from you amanpua

virgin girl: try to get a date if you hate text

tina: dont think shes super shy, looks like shes just not interested enough. I hate this situation too and I hate to tell you that, dont get mad at me but: Id try to forget her.

dont worry about it, ups and downs, normal. good things about downs: its goin up again soon! dont think about it too much, just stick around , have fun for yourself, open here and there when your in a good mood outside and good girls will come to you

the game is good basiscs and yeah, its enough to get started. imporant at the begining is not to focus too much on theory, or you find yourself in the field stuck with all the stuff in your head. most important is: practice. and you notice things along the way to improve. remember: every girl you approach is a win, no matter of the outcome!

dont worry about run out of things, i had it too. if the girl is interestend, things will flow. if not and therse an awkward silence, I usually say depending on the venue "listen gotta get back to my buds, talk to you later* or if she will not be around anymore *listen I gotta go get this ___ done. but we can continue dis conversation later *dirty look*

are you on POF? ill open a new thread sooon with POF tips.. stay tuned

preps is so right, getting yourself in a positive engery is so strong! before you go out, have fun with your friend, laugh a lot! make sure when your out around girls, have fucking fun, smile, make sure girls notice around you its fun! they will admire you like teenies love justin bieber, no shit! =)

remember: Roger Federer didnt get GOAT by reading books about tennis, he got it by training. hit them balls. do it too

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Guys cant say Thank you enough times, seriously youve given me sooo much advise and got me out of my slump. I fall into one every few weeks normally lasts a day or two, but ive had this for a week now. I found youre reference to roger federer very funny. i used to watch him play in his finals and all his matches for wimbledon (im from uk) the guy is truly amazing. yes i have pof, and i have tried but it hasnt worked out too well, i never get replies from the ones i like, so i gave that up last week. But if ure posting up Romino, i will defo look out for that:) Preps I hear what youre sayin about me being the shit, I needed to hear that! on my good days i look in the mirror say that kinda stuff to myself just before leaving for work, it works! that and little meditation haha

Iam fairly certain that part of the issue, for my lack of success, is that iam ethically and physically different from the indigenous population. Most girls online are looking for casual relationships or sex, and my appearance doesnt project me as a 'fuck buddy' type due to my well cultured appearance. But saying that I have been in a relationship with an english caucasian girl, so in theory that shouldnt affect me, i dunno? she was 7 incase ure wondering:-)
Youre prob thinking, why not just stick to my own people right.... Iam trying but i live down south where they dont exist. which means sarging the locals and then try approaches when iam back up in my city:-)

Another problem is that i do not feel I should be on a dating site, I'm a healthcare professional, I see thousands of people every year, hundreds every month.... my fear is that if a girl has seen or spoken to me on a date site then turns up for a consultation... its very un-professional right?

OK so HB7 horse smile, has accepted me on facebook BUT has either not read my message OR she hasnt replied back. problem here is that if i reopen i will look very needy etc etc and poss put her off so i MUST wait for a reply. So my Q to you guys is how long should i wait for her to send a reply, before reopening. and should i reopen, or forget it? Problem here is i waited too long to add her on facebook - about a week! my bad i know and lesson learned:-D

This post is me brainstorming alot and getting some shit of mind for a while, So ignore my BS questions if you like:-D

Hi again guys, had couple more Qs, which I thought you'd be able to shed some light on.

1/ How do differentiate between a cock tease and a real IOI?
I have come across girls who like the attention, and send out 'fake IOIs' inorder to get some sort of ego boost
I ask because from the reading ive dont so far, cant find any material on it, and I would save alot of time only going for girls who are genuinely are sending out genuine IOIs.

2/ Do you guys possess info, (books sites threads, forums anything) for sarging with guys, I dont mean seeking a homosexual relationship, but just to make friends and mates, socializing effectively. Ive had the same bunch of 6 very close friends since high school, but as were getting older were all drifting our seperate ways and we dont have much in common either. My other friends are like me who are normally money and career minded people which i met at work or Uni, but theyre a lil boring:-) (i suppose like me, cant go out wont go out etc) Hence the Q, as Id like to make more friends, but find it difficult to approach guys MORE so than girls!

3/ Say you meet nice women at work or social occasions they may be pretty they may be married, but my goal is to have them as a mate only, nothing else, Do you still go in with the PUA material, sarge etc to get em to like you, using negs and psychological games?

4/ should i be posting these Qs in another part of forum:D

try this with your POF profile:
post725545.html#p725545


who cares? if a girl you spoke online to appears in your office, its great! free date! dont worry too much. you have your private life beside your work, and there you can do whatever you like as long its leagal. if you dont appear as a pervertet nerd, I dont see any problem with flirting

horssmile fb, id say wait a few days and if no answer, throw a neg at her

question 1. ready about body language. girls can talk to you for long time , ask questions blabla a lot of men think they are hooked, but they didnt notice body language, tells a lot about if a woman is interested in more or just talking. last friday a female friend explained me a few thigs (well most i known) but she said that its so booring that guys dont notice if they just want to talk and nothing more.



2. here: http://www.theattractionforums.com/meet ... gs-venues/
pua-lairs-vf79.html
meet-up-wing-vf44.html


3. id go pretty same game, beein funy and stuf, but with less KINO. if she says shes married play here like *thats great then your not trying to get in my pants*

4. since this is online gaming, other sections coudl probably help you better. did you serach the forum? im sure your not the only one with these Q

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Awesome, I checked out some of youre threads already, and Iam going to sort my entire online game out, because its not as good as youres, infact its no where near, so alot of work to there. Im not sociallising much due to loss of friends, and inability to make new ones so online is the only thing i can do for now.

With regards to negging HB7, what can I say that I havent already.
our convo 2 weeks ago included, convo about hair, shes dyed hers red, and mine, becasue mine is long and she wanted to know how to keep it health and long like mine. we also talked about C and U smiles and thats when i negged her about horse shaped etc we talked about her work situ, which shes not enjoying at moment because they made her do something she ddnt want to. We also talked bout travel, she wanted to go europe for a concert but her friends let her down, and I stepped in and said, ' If you go to amsterdam for the concert, i will go to the concert with you, and then ull have to party it up with me whilst were there' I prob shouldnt have said that to her, but she did look into amsterdam, i think it was too expensive for her though. Oh and shes also had lengthy convos about her ex with telling me how its not working between them and how it dragging on etc. I did NOT use strawman here at all but I didnt neg him either, she did all the negging and I just listened then I talked about my ex - she was very interested in this convo, and espec so when I told her how to get over your ex's.

Im assuming its not just a one line neg, but a few sentences of convo, trying to get her to respond. Once she has sent a responce I reckon my next message will be for the number close, i may as well straight for it, got nothing to loose and I need to get back into dating, I am getting really pissed off these last two weeks:-)

oh and also how many days do i wait, is 3 days the classic standard number as outlined by barney stinson in how i met yur mother, or is that bollocks?