I have set the goal to become an MPUA in 2 years time, up there with the greatest. So far, an update on my progress: I have recently upgraded to practicing consistently and successfully gaming and closing hb 8-9s. After this phase is complete after months. I want to upgrade to HB 9-10s then gaming 10's and eventually by the 2 year mark, celebrities.

This is not only my hobby but it is my major in college, I am in the process of getting my PH.D in Speech Communications (human interaction) with a minor in cognitive science (the psychology behind the communication) this is why I strive and will be able to take my "game" this far.

I would like to dedicate this thread to updating my progress as well as adding field reports, pictures, new theories and information that I discover along the way.

There will be professional videos taken of this soon and a good chance I might be sponsored for a reality TV show on youtube minimum. I will eventually hold seminars once I reach the level of MPUA and maybe a book, you will all be informed.

My specialty is nightlife and club game. If you want to be updated on my social networks where you can see pictures videos and catch where i sarge on the weekends message me and i will give you the links to add/follow me

What exactly do you think it takes to be considered or become an MPUA in your opinions? I would find it interesting to hear your opinions. Also any questions, comments or ideas you have feel free to post away.

-Suave

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why have you picked this goal to become a master pua, it sounds absurd, don't treat pick up as some nerd quest, with some arbitrary finish line. How will you know when you become a 'master'? This is the ultimate expression of your ego, but in reality meaningless.

According to Professor Mehrabian from UCLA 93% of communication (old old concept) is non content related but related to body language, vocal tone, etc. So how on earth would speech communication be responsible for pua??? It may be better to study the psychology of sex, which is far more multi-dimensional. Sorry to shatter your world but in my experiences it hasn't been what I said that got me laid but how I said it.

You can walk up to a girl and say "you're gorgeous", and be completely blown out... Or you can say it with the right tone and body language and she'll get shy and nervous and be all over you. Body language is the corner stone of communication not speech, speech is the evolution of our neocortex really but at the end of the day we are still instinctual creatures who do things by way of feel and what we are intuitive about.

What I'm really say is you need to master a few things(after self-confidence) the first is body language, now this means having good body language and reading body language. Then you learn to respond properly to a woman... This means you do a lot of read and reaction game. You become the responsive man. Since you are working on psychology you are ahead of the game, because that is a big part of being the understanding properly responsive man.

You also need to learn a lot about sex and sexual theory. What attracts women, this is a biggie, you need to become the attractive guy who has presence and is "The Man" you need to be "the who's that guy over there?" This means gaining charisma as well as your people skills(I suppose they work together). Learning to build a connection with about anyone is a part of this area in my opinion.

Why they have sex(Different not the same). There is a great book by Cindy Meston and David Buss called Why Women have Sex it is based on years of studies and reading different women's interviews on sex.

I do agree with learning seductive language patterns and NLP, I think they are a huge help if you want to become a master seducer, I am huge on words but I think body language is absolutely the biggest ordeal when it comes to communication not the words spoke. If you understand how to talk to people, especially women you already up your value with women.

Sexual escalation and tension skills are a big part of seduction you can't be a master seducer with women with no skills in these areas, these are also a part of the nonverbal behavior related to courtship. You can sit on a couch and not say a word and act and so much more gets said or you can sit in the theater and move your hands and say more than the words ever would have. You can look a woman in the eyes and communicate your desire to fuck her six ways to Sunday in the most passionate way possible by just thinking of it during eye contact.

I consider learning to be a great fuck and to please a woman a huge part of becoming a master seducer, this confidence in the bedroom tends to translate to outside of it. Plus woman can tell when a man can fuck like a demon, just like we can tell when a woman is a demon in the sack. This will make women fantasize about you on a lot more levels because they'll realize how you talk and move, they'll want to "try you out."

I'd also recommend Personality tests (psychology I'm sure you are learning them), as they help you gauge what a woman wants more when you understand her core motives and what not. You start understanding them as you talk to them and putting them together so you know how and what they like to talk about. Deductive reasoning is always key, I can usually kind of realize something about them based on their apparel or something. This is a big part of reading women in generally but people overall.

Honestly I would look into becoming a sexologist if you want to get good at pick up this to me would be more a good overall major and perspective as it encompasses all of it where as communication is but a tool in pick up(an essential tool) but it is the tip of the iceberg.

Just my thoughts....

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Master status = going 5 for 5

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Well, if you want to reach this, you should review your mindsets a little bit . . . First off, being good with women has no title behind it. You are connecting with another human being. That's it. The amount of girls you get, the beauty of the women, and the type of women you are going for has NO difficulty level. It is all different, but the same.

Look, 9's or 10's are no harder than 7's or 8's. In fact, these numbers are a completely retarded concept in the first place because it makes guys think of girls as 'levels of difficulty'. The only reason you're not sleeping with 9's or 10's is because you are shit scared of them. That's the truth. They are equal human beings to the 7's and 8's. But because you view them as 'hotter', you believe you need some kind of supergame to sleep with them. You don't. If you have solid game on 7's and 8's - you play the SAME THING on 9's and 10's . . . And guess what? This applies to celebrities TOO. The only reason 'regular' people don't get laid with celebrities is BECAUSE they are viewing them as 'higher societal value' and 'hotter than usual', when in fact societal value and beauty is IRRELEVANT entirely.

It is your mindsets about these hotter women that make the outcome negative, and it is the same mindset that makes you (and anybody else) fail with them.

But of course, it's logical that your mind perceives this as 'it's not my fault, these women are simply more difficult to game because they are hotter' - when in reality it's not even close to any of ^those mindsets.

You are a human connecting with another human being. That's IT. It's not about how hot she is in relation to you. It's not about how FAMOUS she is in relation to you, and it's especially not about what car she drives in relation to you. It's ONLY about the connection that the two of you have. Find it. Create it. Act on it.
This is good. Start a journal in the Field Report section. Again, there is no number of girls or quality of girls that will ever make you an mPUA because the title itself does not exist. You will always have moments of great failure and you will always have moments where your success rate is off the hook. This is human.

If you want to be an mPUA, try coming to the realization that picking up girls is about simple interaction and connection mixed with the ability to sexually escalate (in other words, acting upon the results of the interaction).

It's all logical. It's all simple.

The reason guys are failing is because they live in a bubble of fucked up mindsets where they turn pick-up into rocket science.

It's not their fault. Their childhood has a great deal to do with this. The affects of the environment throughout their adolescence has created these mindsets on them (in addition to media, parents and other bullshit).

So learning pick-up is actually only about un-wiring ^those bullshit beliefs and trusting your regular instincts to pull of a 1 on 1 interaction with a woman without pissing your pants.

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i've picked this goal because human interaction is my life my major my hobby my free time my paradise and my playground. this is no nerd quest, this is real.


@ poeticlyskuac
that was a great post, you seem to be knowledgeable, as most people don't know these things. however, "speech communication" is the study of all human interaction with body language and nonverbal communication being the one of the biggest areas i study. i know all these things and study all of these areas in depth.

that is what i plan on.

@ little panda- interesting perspective you have on HBs. i like when you said: however, if you were to say that gaming a 4 is the same as gaming a 10 you are highly mistaken. and if you also think that gaming celebrities is the same and is only difficult because we perceive them as higher value you are also highly mistaken. with this mentality not only would you get blown out of the water on most approaches especially to high value/celeb women right off the bat, but you will hinder your progress on being able to become more successful with women. this mentality might be cool in order to rid yourself of some anxieties on approaching and can increase your confidence in gaming hotter women but if you want to actually master your skills with women you have to accept the fact that there is difficulties in woman and in different situations. i understand where your coming from however especially with the fact that you said people need to rid themselves of looking at pick up as rocket science and focus on the interaction itself. that is a problem most pua nerds will have, but you cannot go off this basis because if you do not try to get something down to a science, you will never be able to master it.


to all, lets put it this way. i wouldn't make a thread on the journey to MPUA if i didn't know how and wasn't close to it already. i understand your doubts and concerns because it is hard to just believe someone is actually going to do it, but i am. if you want to get the jest of my skill.

i have no approach anxiety with very high levels of confidence
i have built one of the best and most attractive lifestyle possible
i have been a natural all of my life
grooming fashion body are refined and sharpened (looks)
i can very accurately same night f close high value women
have had more than 20 orgies and group sex (sex in same room with more than 2 participants)
i have knowledge in nlp and hypnotic seduction still learning
extensive knowledge in body language voice tonality and all nonverbal communication
knowledge in linguistics (structure) and public speaking
ability to hold strong frames (advanced frame control)
extensive and almost unparalleled online game
read and adopted pre-existing pua methods theories to my own application
i have a lot of experience especially in night game club game

i am not 100% accurate and don't plan to be. but i am going to bring my skills to near that as close as possible. i'm good but happy and eager to refine my skills, meet up and wing and achieve my goals. i am open for debates on these topics, but only relevant and good logical arguments you may have. other than that, unless you have around equal or better skill than i do or you are a qualified expert on a certain topic i.e.: poeticlyskuac on body language, you probably aren't qualified to teach me about anything pick up related.

any questions discussions are great and welcomed and i can also give input on certain situations or advice. other than that this thread will be used for documenting my progress, introducing new theories and findings, and updated with some field reports pictures and videos as well.

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I recently broke up with a celebrity. Movie star. Actress. She was absolutely no different from any other woman I picked up. Probably the most high valued woman I've ever tried picking up. I see her blow out guys left and right, all the time. She gets hit on consistently. And yet - absolutely no difference.

However, I'd like to hear your insight on why you think the things you said above? What is the reasoning behind it?
Exactly. This is why, depending on the situation, you can get blown out by a 4 right after you hooked up with a 10. It's completely unpredictable.
Since when is basic human interaction a science? . . .

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Lil Panda I love your posts bro, I know your post completely negated mine, but you are absolutely right in the grand scheme of things. I should have realized it before I posted basically really who cares, happiness does not lay in your becoming a master seducer. In fact it doesn't change much...

I'd also agree going after a celebrity should be no different, they are people too, why the hell would it be any different? How could it be? Most celebrities have a bigger Ego and thus are more insecure, I'd assume someone who understands women would have a much easier time with celebrities then regular girls, the only thing you have to get rid of is her outer first reaction. In order to do that you have to get her attention and react differently than most guys, this is no different then any other girl.

Celebrities are people too, if you are genuine with them and build a connection NOTHING changes. I've made friends with a couple of those guys/girls that were "Big Cheese", all I had to do is just be a person and most of them loved me because I wasn't some nervous square who treated them differently.

Thanks for your posts Lil Panda, always a nugget of wisdom....


Peace and Love,

Vic

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One could even argue that being genuine with celebrities would be even more powerful than being genuine with 'normal' status girls, because celebrities experience genuinity much less frequently due to their status.

. . . This is just a theory though.

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by celebrities i mean more of high listed celebrities or A list celebrities like Britney Spears Kim Kardasian the ones that it is hard to even get into contact or be in a position to game them. this outer first reaction, being in the position to game them at all is what makes it difficult. an A list celebrity will most likely not just talk to anyone. if you are able to get locked into the set with a celeb one of the most difficult parts is now over and then yes it would be almost like gaming a reg hot girl.

panda based off of your views on pick up i would assume that initial interaction was most likely a very genuine pick up and since it led to a relationship i would say you guys probably had preexisting potential for a strong connection. but sometimes those connections need to be artificially replicated in order to close because sometimes we are not psychologically similar or can genuinely connect with every girl during a pick up.

a woman's personality, outlook on life and relationships and sexual outlook can be influenced by they're looks. i.e:
lower number rate = probable lower self esteem
woman with lower self esteem = different personality traits, different actions, and higher sexual promiscuity.

it would be better to adjust how you game a 4 and a 10 . this discussion can get really deep but basically a 4 is more likely to fuck the first guy that comes up to them in the bar than the 10 because the 4 can't really even get laid to begin with because most guys won't show her attention (making her easier) but, the 10 is approached over and over has a huge selection of different guys so altering your approach to being more indirect, pre-building dhvs, indirect frame control, and maybe even adopting a higher valued identity during the pick up can improve your success rate.

but to this post below:
definitely. human interaction can try to be mastered but you can never do it 100% because of this unpredictability. but if we wish to improve our skills we cannot label everything as unpredictable we have to try to come to a means or method to predicting these things to increasing our success rate with women.
a lot of people get mixed up when i use the word science like that but the expression "down to a science" means broken down and analyzed for the best interpretation possible. but actually you can study it scientifically ^_^ i recently found out and picked it up as my minor cognitive science. the brain processes we undergo while communicating.

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Actually all you have to do is be the talkative guy moving in and out of conversation with people. You know the social butterfly that tends to flow in and out of conversation. Then you talk to a celebrity like you would anyone else, you don't change the context of your "mingling" simply because they are famous. The problem is you are placing a higher value on women... Attraction is binary, either you'd fuck her or you wouldn't. Either you'd date her or you wouldn't. You keep on with this attitude like a girl can be rated higher or lower, the truth is simple and binary 0 or 1, yes or no, yay or nay. Once you give a celebrity girl more value then you she does too.

If you don't place the celebrity above you they will love you and unless their snooty will not place themselves above you, they will enjoy the company of someone who just has a good genuine conversation with them. Something they are really not given an opportunity to often. I've been offered to go to so many big bands back stages (have a few promoter friends), and I've been to sold out shows with the band (knew a kind of well known band lead guitarist). It's not that big of a deal, the girls are just girls, the guys are just guys. They react the same to an attractive personality and the same to a tool as any other girl.

I'd say Panda is spot on, being authentic would work so much more on famous women, they are so use to being treated differently. That is the thing, if you are just being yourself they are so happy to meet someone who isn't there to impress or fake who they are, they can tell and they enjoy the genuine connection their status often denies them.

Honestly if you are just some high value guy just by way of you being you and bringing up the environment they will be very interested in meeting you. People aren't any different just because they are "high social status" they react the same, behavior isn't much different or more difficult to predict. You make them laugh and smile, connect genuinely with them, and not place them above you but on the same level. This is the same regardless of picking up on a celebrity or a regular girl, you need all these things.

The more you think about people's behavior given the context the easier it is to predict their behavior...you can certainly use this to your advantage with them.

Peace and Love,


Vic

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Here is the reasoning for why you can't make out or fuck Britney Spears that easily:

* Logistics
* Witnesses
* Paparazzis
* The fact that she doesn't know how 'real' you are and if you are out there to cause damage to her reputation

But we are talking about a theoretical pick-up. . . Which means, that if you ELIMINATE all the above things (i.e. you are sitting alone in a room with Britney Spears and you are being genuine with her) - what makes you think you can't pick her up?

You reject the idea, but you have still failed to give argumentative reasons for why you have this belief.
Due to the fact that human interactions are COMPLETELY arbitrary and unpredictable - PU will never be broken down to a science. Ever.

What you CAN do to be as good as you can with women is focusing on YOURSELF instead of the women in this world. Focus on your strengths, focus on your weaknesses, critically analyze your potential areas of improvement, and have general set of goals at all times.

Focusing on 'types' of women and how you can get them is a complete waste of time.

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"you probably aren't qualified to teach me about anything pick up related." Out of everything you have written here, this is the one thing that shows how truly insecure you are. I wish you luck on your journey and hope for total success for you, but you apparently don't need it.

I myself accomplish many of the things you speak of here, yet that doesn't make me a MPUA, no more than creating a water color painting makes me Monet!


Peace...

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exactly. i am not speaking of being alone in a room with a celebrity one on one. i mean getting yourself into the position being able to get to that point and all the things you listed above is where my point derives from. these things are what makes it difficult. once your locked in, it is just like picking up any other high value girl. i want to be able to game these types of women because they are the highest of visible value.

i do not agree in the sense that
Pick Up consists of things like psychology, lingustics, social dynamics, human communication (verbal nonverbal etc)

these are all things that already have been broken down to a science by professionals. i study all of these things in college and this is why my major is communications focusing on human interaction.

you can look at pick up as a game, as the mystery method iois or you can look at it from a human interaction theoretical perspective. human interaction is not completely unpredictable. there is unpredictability but you can generalize and theorize, learn, grow, improve, and study academically or even personally figure out methods from experience to become more successful with your interaction.



i also add to your point focusing on yourself is a big area of becoming more successful in pick up, it is what a lot of people fail to realize and just keep there attention on the books instead of on themselves.

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in no way am i insecure lolll i know what i can do and what i will. and that is good that you do, and if you then you can present a debate. i am not an mpua either but i am planning to become one eventually.

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Well getting yourself to a one on one situation with a world-known celebrity is next to impossible and has nothing to do with your game in the first place.

I've studied these things too and they all come down to research that is based on statistics and general data.

Which again brings everything back to the initial point: Do you want your game to be relying on other people (data, statistics, types of women, etc) or do you want your game to be relying on yourself and your own strengths and weaknesses? Which do you think has the more powerful effect in the long-run?

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