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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:47 pm 
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I was not aware of the term PUA and found it by chance.I thought to ask here for some help for my problem:
I don't get scared to go talk to a woman most of the time. I mean I try to suppress my anxiety and any lack of confidence etc and go to talk to someone I like.
The problem I have is that I can not keep up a conversation and as a result not have a specific/succesful outcome.
I mean I don't have a meet-talk-go out-do it pattern but most of the times I get stuck in the very beginning when meeting someone new as I run out of things to say.
I usually can think of something to go to start talking but that's pretty much it.
Usually I get starred and I get things worse expecting something to say. I usually end the conversation quickly.
Do you have a structure in your conversation approaches? What do you usually talk about? And do you for example making complements right away?
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You need what pua's call a "routine". This can be a scripted set of lines, or it can be a loose outline of a generic type of conversation you use on any woman you encounter. Here is a very basic small talk-type routine you could use:

Opener: Hi, you seem like an interesting person, what's your name? I'm Jake.
What is she doing: You look like you're out Christmas shopping...
Biographical: Where are you from? What do you do? How old are you?
Current events: Did you vote for Obama? What shows do you like to watch?
Jokes: Tells some jokes or make witty and humorous comments
Stories: Tell her a story that makes you sound cool or exciting
Games: Play the "trust test" or some other game you know
Kino: initiate physical contact, which you can do earlier in your routine as well
Close: See if she wants to go on an insta-date, or kiss you, or get her number

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i get that to sometimes everything is flowing smoothly then there is this long pause.. awkward

something i use is a straw man approach if I'm lost for words. On the same topic, ill suggest an argument from a close friend of mine that's easily refuted. Then me and the girl comprehensively discredit the weak argument. i find its a good way to find common ground and lessen the blow of awkward silence.

( next paragraph is me thinking too much)

usually a routine about current events activates her attention. Her responses normally should prime where you can take the convo n visa versa ( as long as your cues are open ended). if her responses are not priming you then maybe you have become rigid in the routine or the routine has been played out too many times and doesn't excite you anymore.

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Thanks for the replies.So if I understand what you are saying, what you recommend is a template of a conversation that will be in handy for all approaches.
I have some questions here:
Doing this, is there the "danger" to appear that you have rehearsed this? I mean that the conversation might not appear natural?
Another point I would like to ask.
I can start a conversation with a strange woman but I don't show that I am hitting her. I don't even say that I am interested in her. I just try to talk casually and see if I can find common ground to try e.g. to ask her phone number or meat again.
This way I am able to sometimes get a phone number but it doesn't really go anywhere...Perhaps because I don't try to "hit" on her right away?
Generally do you advice to show that you are into her right from the start?
And how? Say straight away e.g. about her looks or is it better to tell her depending on the conversation?
Thanks guys!


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Its good to have a routine script (we do that naturally its called a schema), but if you play it out too many times it will lose its freshness and feel exhausted unless its something with personal significance. have a genuine opinion like a tentative explanation why some phenomena ( preferably something popular) is the way it is and sell this perception.
You'll find that your opinions become schemas naturally and they get reworked every time you are confronted with good arguments.

to your question
if you see the opportunity to go direct, go for it! nothing beats direct game- that's the real pu. Much respect to pua's that know how to do it when appropriate



( my theory- optional read)

i have a theory that we are all trying to sell our personal perceptions to each other in the hope that someone can see the world through our eyes. we also like to see the world through another's eyes. It makes us feel that we are sharing this experience of life. think about people at a music concert they are all feeling the lyrics and find some sort of solace with the song and artist. The crowd looks like they are all sharing the feeling when you see them jump in time with the music, but in actuality every one is feeling something different. They are in fact delusional, if you look at the lyrics there are a lot of explanatory gaps that can be interpreted any which way. none of these people can ever be on the same wave length 100%, but the delusion makes them feel that they are not alone in this world.

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That "schema" won't come across as rehearsed as long as you keep things open and fluid and treat it like a mad lib, allowing her to fill in the blanks. If you ask her what her interests are and she says fashion design, then you start talking about the Project Runway show or something. That will not seem scripted or rehearsed at all. But it's still part of your structured routine (asking her what her hobbies are). Now the key to that is not just asking what she likes to do and moving on to the next question. It's listening to her answer, making a relevant comment about her answer, and giving the conversation an intimate tone. Not just asking her 20 survey questions with the last one being: what is your telephone number?

Also, don't be afraid to be random. Randomness will break up the monotony of any routine and keep it from getting stale. It also makes you seem unpredictable and exciting. She'll be talking about how she finished nursing school last year or some shit and you totally interrupt her mid sentence and say "You know what I absolutely hate?...Plaid." Or if you want to be positive "You know what I absolutely love?...Peanut butter." Then be like "Sorry, anyways, you were saying..." It's also cocky and shows that you don't give a fuck about interrupting her while she's blabbering.

And if you wanna mix it up when you number close, don't wait till the very end unless you have to. As soon as you start getting some solid ioi's say something like "Omg, you and I have so much in common I need to get your number before I leave." And she'll probably agree or nod or something, but you just keep talking and continue on with the topic at hand or move on to something new and don't even acknowledge that you just indirectly asked about her number. Why do you do this? Because it will make it seem like getting her number was just a random thought that occurred to you in passing as opposed to it being the SOLE PURPOSE of why you started talking to her in the first place. Then as things wind down wait for her to ask YOU about the number, and if she doesn't, pull out your phone and tell her to put hers in there.

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