How can you be jealous of your blackout persona?

When I drink, it is like bugs bunny's magical water in space jam.

Last night I drank a lot - 4 shots of Tennessee honey, 2 shots of vodka, plus an unknown amount of jungle juice and beers haha

needless to say, i was solid. I spit game to this chick as i was drinking with them, leading the group in conversation, and having an overall relaxed demeanor. DHVd a ton when I talked about hurricane sandy and its damage.. (im from nyc).

Brought my target 8.5 brunette to the dance floor and started dancing with her, i pushed her against the dance pole and doing real good dancing on the floor haha. made out against the wall and then we left for a bar. (place had a pole, idk why or how but i was fine with it haha)

at the bar i blacked out.

this is all told to me afterwards:

I proceeded to hook up with a hb8 blonde within 5 minutes of entering the bar, while my friend was ordering us beer. I left her, met this red head hb7 who knew mutual friends and tried to seduce me, according to my friend picked me out in the crowd haha. friend told me to disregard he, i complied. within another 10 minutes proceed to hook up with a hb9 brunette. unfortunately, the red head cock blocks me. I leave her and walk around the bar. i dance with this spanish chick and felt her tits then i got ambushed by the red head. (all this is what my friend told me so far). i then hook up with the red head and she drags me in my blackout drunken stupor outside. Once outside i black in and refuse to go with her and she asks to be fuck buddies and when she visits my area we will fuck. I get her number and go back to the bar. I proceeded to blackout again and my friend told me that i hooked up with an hb8.5 blond with small tits but great ass. supposedly her friend was interested in me and i wound up hooking up and being taken home by her to her place. I remember leaving the bar and everything after fortunately. Her roommate had some serious disease and was sleeping so we fucked in the first floor lounge and kitchen area. got wiskey dick but she blew me until i was hard and then we fucked. it was crazy and when i realized the condom was fire and ice and i decided it was weird i just raw dogged it and busted all over her chest leaving her a 'pearl necklace'. i passed out in her bed and woke up cupping her breasts. I left and got a ride back with my bro.

ridiculous shit. I am jealous of my drunk self. I am also successful when I am not blackout but not as prolific as this.

My real question that i use pua methodologies in my natural game. cocky funny, alpha male framing, tone, body language, etc

But if you blackout or get too drunk, pua has no point. Even if you are successful when you are drunk it is just a crutch because you cant enjoy what you are achieving to the full extent. As seen by my successful pick up at the first venue, i just needed to relax and stop drinking. I do not feel any value in blacking out and not remembering the bar experience. I do however value and fully enjoy blacking in being taken back to a girls room and then getting blown and fucking.

To all those who drink while picking up, drink to the point where you are comfortable and able to conduct yourself the way you desire and then stop drinking. sip on a drink, water or a thick beer and go spit game.

Find your own medium and thrive.

Hope you guys ball hard

J Slay

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Liquid courage!...

weaksauce.

sober game is better

Drinking= False confidence

No needed, expensive, will get you fat, will get you fights, and whisky dick and incredible waste of valuable time(ordering, paying and waiting for alcohol to kick in) you could be recruiting women...

I did a video on the subject watch on youtube and make sure you have flash player for annotations that contain explanations:

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Relying on alcohol to pick up girls is the same as relying on money and looks to do so.

It's all just a temporary solution to a non-existing problem.

Focus on working on your core personality instead and stop postponing the path to success.

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I agree alc should be kept to a minimum during pick up, especial during the learning curve.

But regardless that sounds like an epic night

Cheers!

Yo guys im not asking for advice

I know sober game is better and that alcohol is liquid confidence.

I was just wondering if anybody else has had similar experiences where 1) sober you does in fact get pussy and pick up chicks but 2) drunk you does in fact get more pussy and picks up many more chicks

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Sober me = Focused and on point.
Tipsy me = Life is awesome, I love you all.
Extremely drunk me = Total asshole.

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i can honestly say i run much harder game after some alcohol. I have to ask though, what is true confidence?

Ego is something that is built up and can be torn down, but apparently confidence is always there. i don't understand how it is you simply build confidence. for example: i work out a lot. i used to be skinny, but now i am in very good shape. my body gives me confidence to go and open a set on the beach without my shirt on. however, if i lost my physique and went up or down 50 lbs, then my confidence would be lost.

Some would say i am talking about ego. So then my question becomes, how the fuck does one obtain some everlasting, all-enduring confidence? and does that actually exist?

When did this board become a bunch of fucking pussies?

If you wanna drink, drink. If you dont, dont. Question is what youre happy doing, not whether its liquid coinfidence or itll hurt your game or any oter pickup bullshit. Sometimes you gotta close the book and have a good time... And have a good time cause its fun... Not so you can write a field report.

Cheers

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Amen!

You are on a pick up forum dedicated to getting better with girls, in my personal opinion learning to do something anything inebriated isn't helpful in your grand scheme of improving your skills in an area. That is like all those guys I've wrecked on a pool table that said let me just get a couple of drinks and then I'll get better.... so what happens? I whoop their ass some more.

Now what I mean by this is sometimes you think you are better then you are simply because you feel good. I use to think Alcohol gave you confidence but really it gives you arrogance. You feel you have a value in an area you really don't.

The question isn't an ethical thought on whether one should drink or not, the question is if you were committed to getting better with women why would you cloud your judgement or memory with alcohol? Sometimes you remember something way differently than it happened, especially under the influence of alcohol.

In order to recount your actions, have more control over your frame to get consistent, and be more conscious and thus better in your actions you should game sober until you make it instinctual. At that point go out drinking but either you want to commit to getting good with women or you want to go get drunk, simply make a choice.


Just my 2 cents....

Peace and Love,

Vic

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I'm a pretty regular drinker and I've been at the game a few years. Here's some advice I can give from my prospective.

You want to get yourself in a mind frame you are comfortable talking to women without alcohol. I think of bars as practice, day game and social circles as real life. I started drinking at 21 and eventually noticed I was more relaxed and confident approaching women in bars under the influence. Plus everyone else in the place was drinking, I felt I would look like a loser not to be. I'm not sure the actual approach or conversation is why I needed it. It was the fact that I could approach and not get my feelings hurt if I got rejected. I could approach and not worry about if her boyfriend was 5 feet away talking to his buddy.


As a shy guy at 21 to 10 years later , it's definitely helped me get over shyness to the point I realized I was cool, funny, outgoing etc without it. So I can approach a beautiful woman at the grocery store now, where I couldn't 10 years ago. I feel comfortable if a girl I work with wants to introduce me to her hot girlfriend that I can carry on a good conversation and etc.I would attribute that to coming up in the bar scene every weekend and under the influence of alcohol. Not too mention, you generally have a more fun time when you drink.

Here is where you have to be careful. I'm not sure what you mean by saying you black out, but that sounds very scary. I've never blacked out and it's not uncommon for me to drink over 20 beers in the course of a 5 hour night out. I usually eat a foot long subway sandwich and let the bread absorb alcohol. I also have a high tolerance for it b/c I drink about a pint of whiskey 4 or 5 nights per week on an almost empty stomach b/c I don't eat supper. So on weekends the 20 beers with the sandwich is just a strong tipsy until a blow myself out about 30 minutes before I want to pass out.

I always the next morning can remember everything that happened the night before. I can remember most people I talked to if it was someone of any type of value, what they looked like, what was said, what their name was, etc.

Where you need to watch yourself if you are blacking out is there are certain women who you are going to come across eventually who will take advantage of you if you aren't careful. Your game is going to improve with practice, and your black outs are going to allow a lower standard of women in to your life then what you would accept sober. It's like a girl I used to work with who I'm good friends with. Cute as hell, got wasted and got pregnant by a guy she had no interest in. For months she had no idea she was pregnant and was in denial b/c she didn't even remember having sex.

Also if you are blacking out, your caliber of women are going to detect it and generally be turned off by it. If you have got to that point where you don't remember it the next day, you've gone too far. I also think you will eventually get yourself in serious trouble.

The last piece of advice I can give you is that I picked up the cigarette about 3 years ago. I think a smoke is worth about half a beer and it slightly alter's the buzz and is slightly euphoric. I am not advocating smoking but it probably has allowed me to cut down at the bottle and can take my mind in a slightly different direction. The trick there is, you don't want a prospect knowing you smoke until you've won them over or they do it themselves, or it's one you really don't care about. If you are going to try a smoke, tell yourself you are only doing it when you go out. Don't let yourself get hooked.

One more thing that I want to add; Try going out ever so often and not drink a drop and tell yourself you are going to do the same number and style of approaches you normally do.

Piss and game just don't mix with me .. Lucky I'm good looking

Too many guys add a bias in with the alcohol thing.

I have no interest in hearing from anyone on this who doesn't drink at all.

What I mean is you get guys who say it's a must to game sober to be your best, or that you can't game drunk period, or that it's liquid courage etc.That never drink at all because they have a problem with alcohol of some sort.

That is a preference or a bias, not solid realistic advice.

I've gamed drunk and gotten laid, and I game sober not because my wee little tummy can't handle alcohol, or i'm scared to get drunk for the first time (please with that one, wow, I ain't saying being a drunk is cool, but being afraid to drink a Zima is SOOO superbad nerd kid it's absurd lol), but because alcohol leads to problems with drunk amogs that you can walk away from if sober, but can't (ego wise) if drunk.

Maybe in a high class bar in NYC it would be ok, but most bars and clubs are full of morons in their day to day life, much less drunk already angry and watching you get a hot chicks tongue on your neck. Here comes the overhand right out of nowhere because you seen him glaring and in your own drunkeness said "ahh fuck him i'll stand on his fuckin face" and didn't move the chick out of his line of sight. (Drunken angry guys are like Zombies, out of sight out of mind, as long as they can't see you having a good time you'll be alright is what i've learned. Me and my old buddies use to call them Zombies. We called the ones who actually fucking FOLLOW YOU and your group or your target and make trouble Wolfmen, they're usually worse/weirder/crazier. Side note we call old guys who interfere and cockblock but have no game, yet are hard to get rid of Mummies, and wanna be PUAs using MM style stuff "Godamn Draculas")

To say alcohol is a crutch or impedes game though when you've never even gamed drunk yourself in some straight edge ideal of your own is lame. You can kick fucking ass gaming drunk with the right mixture and environment.

If you're legit blacking out you just aren't forming new memories, so you could still be running tight game, but you'll eventually get taken advantage of or pushed in to a bad scene like the dude above said, so watch it.

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