Words...words...words. Because I say things that other people don't say in ways that other people don't say them. You can't be great by being like everyone else.

yes, absolutely

what words will you be using to reflect that you are different? what you say, and what you do, reflect who you are, if you are not what you are attempting to project, what then?

Often people don't see themselves as they truly are (either ignoring faults or ignoring weaknesses). They have image of themselves in their heading depending on what they focus on subconsciously about themselves. SO, you make an inventory. You list all your strengths and then you find ways, mostly in stories to convey this. You are selling yourself, but you find ways to justify it...to hide it by the way you weave it into conversation.

Then as far as weaknesses. You make an inventory of them too. Now some weaknesses don't matter. They are not important. I know two ways to handle important weaknesses. You can bring them up then spin them into your favor, turn the negative into a positive. OR don't bring them up at all and then after your girl has fallen for you she won't care....she will only want to look at everything about you in a positive light.

ahh, so what you are saying is lifestyle does matter after all and it's not just words, yes the halo effect is real, and for you to highlight your strengths, you must have strengths or you are selling lies, and this may attract to the point that she realizes she is dealing with a snake oil salesman, and what then, and if you don't have the initial stregths to showcase, how will you attract her if she doesn't see enough value? why will she care?

the halo effect also can only take you so far if you are selling snake oil and playing a roll, there must be real value to back up what you are projecting or the shit will hit the fan, first impressions only go so far, imagine if you were to meet a chick wearing makup and you find her very attractive, you hook up with her and take her on a vaction, on the way, you both crash land on a desert island, there are other attractive girls that you have access to, but no access to makeup, suddenly you realize she is very unattractive without makeup on, what are you going to do? stick it out with the girl you find unattractive because she was attractive when you met her?, or drop her and go for one of the desert girls that you actually find attractive?

this is comparable to a guy who is demonstrating and projecting security and social status through ''DHV'' while not actually having access to security, or being high in social status, once she finds out, there is no putting that makeup back on, it is apparent that your value is not what you were trying to sell her on

it's no different then a fat balding 50 year old trying to convince a girl he is good looking, there has to be congruence, or it will fall through, if not right away and they met on the phone, eventually he will be found out

I disagree. When you demonstrate value it should be "shock and awe." What does that mean? It should be so impressive that she can't help but to continue to think of you that way subconsciously. Why are big dogs afraid of small dogs in their household? Why do kids respect their parents even when they get older. Its the impression. Its still seeing the other person in a certain way even though situations have changed. Sometimes first impressions are lasting....

Perception is reality. It does not matter what your lifestyle is, its about how she thinks of your lifestyle. How she feels about your lifestyle.

Now about your ugly girl wearing make up analogy. I genuinely believe that it is possible to instill positive feelings into someone, by habit and impression, to the extent that you still like them...you still get a good feeling around them no matter what. Whether your mom has on make up or not you love her and still get a good feeling around her.

Its about your ability to set impressions.

When we first get into pick up we are told to create a certain persona in order to attract girls. This is fine but it gets to a point when you should move on from this.

What you said makes sense in parts but it is still flawed. You can try as hard as you want to give the girl the image and impression that you are a "sex god" but this is something that is not true about you and if your goal is to bring the girl into this reality and have sex with her, it will all fall down. If you CAN become a 'sex god' and you WANT it, then why aren't you going after it?

If I was to make up a Michael Jordan analogy to reflect your beliefs it would be that instead of training hard to become a 'basketball god', he just went around telling coaches that he is was a 'basketball god'. It is flawed in soo many ways.

Your subconscious mind is a lot more powerful than your consious mind. Your daily life and your actions will be controlled by this.

This thread has gone in so many different directions but their is sooo much amazing information in it. You should not be so single-minded and instead be open minded to what people have said to you. I have been open minded to everything you have said.

Its true if you believe it. Its true if you believe it...

Before I address your point let me first say conversation has little to do with basketball and a whole heck of a lot to do with attracting a girl. There is a flaw in your analagy. There are many players that have talent like Michael Jordan, but on reason Michael Jordan is considered the greatest is because he was flashy...he had spectacular dunks, he had memorable game winning shots. He played in a way that "convinced" you that he was the greatest.

the problem with the mike analogy is mike had both the skills as well as the ability to market those skills, he had the value behind him to back up what he was projecting

there is a difference between being able to project through conversation that you are attractive and market your assests, vs not actually having assests, you can ''fake it till you make it'' but you will still be faking it, and eventually your incongruence will be spotted

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big huge long essay of a novel on this ^ right here, conversation skills are not what women are attracted to, it is who you are that they are attracted to, not what you say, what you say merely puts who you are into context for them, and being good at creating that context in a way that markets your assests favourably is a great skill to have, but not the determining factor, and you can always lie and manipulate a person into thinking you are something you are not so that they place a higher persception of value behind your persona, but how long can you maintain that? and how good are you at acting?

What attracts a girl is how you make her feel.

Looking at all the religions out there that undoubtly appear to contradict reality and the millions of people that follow them. I can safely say its about what you believe.



Many sources suggest that Michael Jordan is a terrible person:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ZQERHL6ow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r6SQbTp ... ure=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq6avQRL37Y


The spectacularness of his play hids this.

well, the same can be said about men, what attracts a guy to a girl is how a girl makes him feel,

the real question is what makes him feel that way?, that's really what we should being discussed here, not the semantics of the context

for the most part, women don't ''feel'' that way due to conversation skills, they ''feel'' that way in the pressence of status, you can try to project the idea that you hold status through conversation, by demonstrating ''value'' by trying to frame yourself as having access to security, resoursces and social status, but if you don't have those things and she finds out, where does that leave her interest and how she ''feels''? (assuming she is interested because she believes you have access to that ''value'')
lol, charmillionaire got owned

Its about honor. Not status per se, but honor. Its about her thinking of you as valuable. Its about that being impressed upon her. This often times is reflected in the phrase " I don't know what you see in him"

The goall is to make an impression.

1.) Great Introduction
2.) If you want a relationship then repeated positive exposure.
3.) After repeated positive exposure she just likes to be around you.

seems like a bunch of semantics again,

1) what makes a great introduction? (field test projecting low status vs projecting high status, see what that does for you, high value, high status, same thing)

status: the position of an individual in relation to another or others (more value = higher position, AKA importance)

2) what allows you to repeat the exposure (chances are your answer is #1, a great introduction)

3) true true, but if the reason she is around you is because she thinks you're super awesome and have balls as well as access to a cool life, then finds out you don't have much balls and lead a boring crappy life, what happens to what she is exposed to from that point on?

now gain 40lbs of fat, dress like shit, smell bad, don't do your hair or shave, demonstrate you have little to no friends and are not a fighter, show her that you also don't have any money or ambition to make money, and try to pick up girls by removing these tangibles from the equation leaving nothing but social skills in the mix, see how that goes for you

^ this is how a lot of girls assign ''value'' and in the above link, there is a few social psych studies that broke down that the vast majority of women, prioritize physical appearance as their primary form of ''value'' before the rest, and this will largely determine your ''great introduction'', now if you are missing some pieces to this puzzle, but are trying to convince the girls your lifestyle is complete, and you are ''high value'' by highlighting strengths that you do not posses

where does that leave you when she finds out you do not posses them? just create ''value'' and ''honour'' from thin air? or project a perfect personality that isn't even what she sexually ''values'' to begin with?

what women value can be broken down for the most part in a fairly tangible way, just like what men value is fairly tangable for the most part, what makes a person more or less important from another person is fairly subjective to personal opinion, but when studied it seems fairly tangable when you see correlations between what people say they want, vs what they end up sleeping with, physical features/attributes, social status, power, confidence, personality (sense of humour and social skills), access to resources, access to security (either through physical or social means)

all ^ these things and how you project them, tend to generate a persception of how important you are to most people (not nessicarily absolute since it is subjective), and they are fairly tangible to measure and judge people on, it's estimated it takes a girl about 30 seconds from seeing you to meeting you to size up whether or not she is interested in sleeping with you

if you don't have friends, are not physically appealing, and don't have money, demonstrate bodylanguage that indicates you are timid or uncomfortable, how do you plan to show her you are important?

''nice nails are they fake!?!''

Belief, the power of belief

Its about the words themselves. They inspire, they touch, they prick. I am a wordsmith. I have a moutpiece and that is how I pull.

I don't understand.... Why would you hit on a girl directly and then show immediate disinterest? She would just think you are a crazy asshole.

It sounds like you just want to ruin a girl until she enslaves herself to you, and are looking for tips on doing that. Am I wrong?