Hi guys, some of you of you have been waiting for me to this, others have prob given up on me BUT I finally PM-ed her last nite…. Hasn’t gone as planned, I get the feeling she aint interested or attracted to me, but what I don’t get is she was sending TONS of IOIs when we worked together. Neways please read and id appreciate any advice you could suggest.
(Names of locations and parts of the convo have been changed, but you get the idea) oh and Romino I used plenty of smileys grins etc but they haven’t copied and pasted.

Convo started 7th Nov
22:19
me
Ive always wanted to do that, new town new adventure, I bet its so much fun! Kool pic, I'm well curious about a little place called ‘happy’, if you find another town called ‘awesome’ let me know
(she changed her pic, has a big road sign of happy on her profile pic now)

22:25
her
Yeh it's good fun! I'll keep an eye out for the town called awesome

22:40
me
That’s weird I was sure I sent a smiley face, but mine looks like its had too much to eat. So what’s Halloween like in the big city….. was Tina, out causing trouble in a wikedy witch or sexy nurse costume?

22:45
her
Pha! It's just cause mine was a cheesy grin I didn't do anything for Halloween! Boring I know... Have you been back to Banbury Speccies much?

22:57
me
I did a few days in Sept but since then I haven’t been back, mostly working in Devon and north Soms.. have you been back? You're missing it.. right?(its okay I wont tell ne1, promise =D )

23:01
her
Ha definitely not missing it one bit! Miss a couple people but definitely not missing the place! I popped in to say hello when I was last in Banbury which was probably about 6 or 7 weeks ago.

23:11
me
When I came back as a locum, it was kinda weird espec the 1st time, but its not the same without ure buddies. Hows the career going, are you getting regular gigs in London?

23:25
her
Yeh I bet. Are you enjoying working as a locum? My equipment is still in Somerset at the moment, I'm not focusing on getting gigs yet, I'm looking for a band to write and jam with

23:48
me
Locuming is exciting… your car becomes ure best friend, and you meet new weirdos from around the whole country as a pose to just from brum or Banbs =D …. Awesome I got to use a grin. Funny you say that, I met a band dude in exeter, but he had the whole sex, drugs rocknroll type thing going on…. He was funny but a lil CrazY... ure type? I might be off shortly, I wish there was some way of continuing this convo..

23:54
her
Ha I don't think you can get much weirdo than Banbury can you!? The rock n roll and the crazy is good, definitely what I'm looking for, not the drugs though. There's plenty of musicians up here just trying to find the right ones

00:06
Me
actually i can think of two other places, Ive worked at, which are weirder than Banbs, not sure i'm doing myself any favours by telling you though =D
(with my last message i was tryin to build rapport... her home town is actually the most fuked up place ive ever worked in, but i aint gonn say that)

As you can see, I put in for a suggestion of a number but she ignored me (never happened to me online before) … so I didn’t now how to react, but she didn’t reply, but its past midnight so its late. I expect she’ll reply in the next few days, shes not the kind of person that will blank me out.
But in the meantime, feedback would we appreciated.
cheers guys.... couldnt of got this far without you guys

the only thing I can suggest to you is to thread change it seemed to drop off after a bit, but you had a couple of DHV's which was good. Remember if she goes to a boring thread like work, politics, and religion. Then gets bored she will blame YOU for being boring (not fair huh?). So keep open ended arsenal of questions that keep things in a frame where you won't be friend zoned. Make sure you add some spicy inuendo's in there to get your point around without being to rasque and arming her ASD

well if she gave you IOIs while working, should hit on her back then but we dont cry on past, we learn for the future

"I wish there was some way of continuing this convo.. " alpha males dont wish, they do *but we can continue this convo on the weekend in a bar*

and i once read, never use "..." in the end of sentence, makes you look unsure.

"As you can see, I put in for a suggestion of a number but she ignored me (never happened to me online before)" where? didnt notice either

"was Tina, out causing trouble in a wikedy witch or sexy nurse costume? Smile" great!! loved that one


not sure where to go next though.. need to throw in some new topics and try to seed events =)

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27, Switzerland

Kool, well you guys don’t think ive done tooo bad! Even though I thought it was f’ked. So based on your advice and my perception of my situ, I have a few questions.

1/ She might be shy, but why do I think shes boring:-) Im having to keep the convo alive and interesting. How do I this if she doesn’t provide me with subjects to advance from?

2/(to Romino) when I said, “I wish there were some way of continuing this convo…” that’s my hint to acquire the number, normally online they say something like ‘what about phone email or SPAM’ AND then I say ‘yh sure give me your number…..’

Please offer an alternative for a number close, Problem is ive just used my normal strategy for ♯ close, and she completely ignored it! / should i just straight out ask her for her number?

3/ Also I need the ‘open ended arsenals’, ‘spicy innuendos’ and ‘DHV’ skills, but where do I begin? Ive started reading info on sites, but I need more, so please send links and examples if poss, or perhaps a book I could read?:-) LAST thing I want is to be friend-zoned!

Another Q guys related to a girl (HB6) iam texting, number acquired we met once since, she came to my work place, but the convo on my part was dreadfull(I posted the full story elsewhere, but no reponses) so thought I’d ask you guys. If you wanted to link this girl following the text game, do you ALWAYS call her to ask a date? Or is text okay? Also first date ideas, for shy girls, virgins, or girls that have never been asked out before?

Peace

I did get it , that this line was your indirect # close. but i personally thinks its too indirect in this situation, where you know hear already.. id say like *next time you're around town, give me a call and we can grab a drink *

she* but i dotn have your number*
you* 34355*

done and you didnt even ask for her number, she asked you

dont date a 6

i personally would text, especially shy girl, so shes not overruned to make a decision when you call.

first date ideas for shy virgins? quite simple: place with less talk and less light. especially second. if shes super shy cinema, if shes willing, dvd at home. not much to do wrong here if you want to get romantic. if you just want to build comfort, id say do something fun like bowling, billard or wahtever is around..

ps with your knowledge and insecureness if you havent read a book yet, you should!

there are tons, most covery similar things. ive read the game by neil strauss , all time classic and also the mystery method. im now reading BANG by RooshV, and also DAYBANG as i need to improve there =)

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27, Switzerland

Okay, so few more questions

1/Firstly why shudnt you date a hb6? Besides Im only going to check the HB6 until I can get the HB9

2/ Theres a lot of different philosophies here even on this site, about getting the HB number. Some peops engineer it so that she asks you for a number and others will say PUA/AFC should ask for the number. Apparently you should ask for her number, because that’s what alpha males do but then other peops say you should suggest/ engineer a way for her to suggest or ask you for yours. Whats the right/ wrong method OR are there different contexts depending on wether u ask online or in person.
3/ How would you ask for a Number for a girl you’ve worked with?

4/Before all that!! Going back to what preps said, I need to put in DHV, spicy innuendo and open ended arsenal questions + make it friendly playful and funny…. And then I can number close, the question then is how do I do all of the above?

Btw Thank you for that number close, Romino, I reckon ill use it when it’s the right time

1. nah i was a bit harsh on that one. its good to start there, but try to get the level up fast, you want the hotties, right?!

2. there is no right or wrong. both can and will work, depends on situation and chick what you choose to try..

3. i wouldnt. i wold make a date, then the number is just a formal thing. well in my mind is *what helps a number whitout a reason?!* i dont wanna text back and froth with sms. if a girl from online flirt ask me for the number i tell het, you only get it when we have a date like to meetup. otherwise its just a pain in the ass -.-

4. i doubt that there is a proven schedle that works on any girl so, you know a bit of how she is, just try to slam in a few topics. best topics are always positve topics, adventure, fun, ( not work, ex-bf and bs like that) you can always try with the traveling topic - most ppl love it

ps. read a book or watch dvd-sessions.. or attend one guys from RSD seem quite good in the game

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27, Switzerland

k going to hit you with some bulk right now.

1:Imagine yourself as inspector gadget you have all the tools you need for any given situation. So whichh ones do you use? It is a hard question but every gadget in your arsenal is purely situational. Tailor the game to fit you right now, since you are a beginner it's easier to be direct. Indirect game requires alot more ramping that you aren't calibrated to give.

The best types of openers and jokes are ones that are situational as well pick up on your environment and things around you this is hard to teach and hard to learn but pays off.

2: As for material you can read and watch:

Romino is right with the game that is the general bible of pick up not to mention a real page turner. I would suggest routines for you to run through like using Savoy's magic bullets a great starting place along with the also mentioned Mystery Method.
To pick up on cold reading read Pandora's box another community favorite and the art of body language which is an absolutely brilliant book that helps you calibrate her level of comfort and interest.
I want to stress this Read I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell by Tucker Max fantastic literature that is not only absolutely halarious but puts you in the mindset when talking to a woman of "What would Tucker do right now?" It's isn't so much a pick up routines and structure book. Tucker is merely an amazing character that crafts inner game

3: As for videos go to youtube and type in daygame bootcamp documentary a video should come up thats about 55 minutes with an instructor named jon matrix and another fellow whose name escapes me. Anything by RSD is good like Sasha (who gets blown out more than any man due to his sexual dominance). I personally am a big Adam Lyons fan so check his 21 convention stuff out.

4: As for asking girls for their # never give them yours without doing one important thing. Make them call you this works alot for me and will even get them to send that dreaded initial first txt.

I Simply say the truth "Let me grab your number and we can go out for lunch you seem cool enough. Have you ever had _____ they have the best ______."

People think that game has to revolve around all these gimmicky moves and gambits but really human interaction is simple we want someone who is interesting to us, and since everyone is different that definition changes from person to person. Never take anything as a personal blow to you maybe you just aren't her type even masters get blown out.

5: as for a open ended questions to ask or exciting texts keep it different is my general consensus.

What is your AFC texting her "how was your day?" "whats up"? this just won't cut it.

I will give you some things I have used before that generated lengthy convo openers

:"Lemon or lime dont ask questions this is a life or death situation!!!"
"What do you do if someone's grandma is tryin to holla"
"I'm trying to come up with a theme for a party sexy toga or sexy cowgirls"

By now i'm sure you get the point just come up with an opinion related question that is fun and original i'm sure you can think of something to keep a convo going.

Another important thing i want to touch on is the noun play concept if you are gripping for things to say and she says something like

"So i love riding horses" for example take the noun "horses" and make a personal anecdote.

"O Really me too I remember when I rode horseback in california right off the coast it was beautiful" (then take your noun for example "california") then turn it into a open ended question like " Have you ever been traveling come on I know you are crazy tell me about your topless rave in the bahamas "

Just wanna say, Guys youre last two posts have been tremendously helpful, I used your noun play with a few girls at work coupled with intensely effective eye contact…. Then I suggested I was going to leave the room, and they started making excuses for me not too… seriously good stuff! Seen as you’ve given me a lot of pointers there, Iam going to need some time to start putting it into my text, online and day game... good for me!

Also guys, My facebook ‘Tina’ has not yet replied to my last message, which Iam a little suprized about, coz I was sure she would reply back yesterday evening or even today.
Neways had a few more Q’s. If a girl replies do I wait for at least the same amount of time she waited or longer, OR do you just reply as soon as you can to her message. I ask becoz when I text girls I never text them quicker than there last reply… implying Iam always busy doing more important shit then them… is this kool? (Here Im assuming I do the same with facebook?)
Also, based on our facebook convo, If she doesn’t reply within the next few days, do I still send a message OR do I accept this as a failure, send no more messages, and move on?

Cheers

For facebook you should always wait at least a day unless she is IM'ing you and for texting that is about rythm most of the time you want to wait anywhere from 10 minutes to a few hours based on how they are responding to you. So yes wait about double the time they took to respond to you is my general advice.

It is ok to respond right after they send you texts some times but i wouldn't do it consecutively

Meaning if she is responding to you in under a minute every time it's ok to give yourself less than 5 minutes to send one back but I don't usually respond quickly more than twice. "Absence makes the heart grow founder"

As for that girl I would just scrap it and move on. You don't want to respond again this makes you look needy, and there is no way to recover from a double response.

some miscellaneous opinions> A lot of the best guys only give out their numbers (this makes sense but probably not for the reason you think), i'm not at this stage, I doubt you are either, always expect to ask for a girls number, be proactive, lots will be flakes at this point, dont worry about those.

Text for dates/meetups is my normal MO. Phone can get awkward and you are certainly going to be leaving messages on her voice mail which is usually worse then texting in the first place. And as its DLV to phone and text you are locked into a catch 22.

I follow preps.. about Tina.. wait.. if you write her again before she writes back, you look needy. let it roll..

well in Fb by now there is SPAM, so i think its ok when both are online and your chatting all the time. dont want to bore the girl out either. but otherweise yeah, look a bit busy. also this really depends on the state on the girl, like for example if you just want to nail her, be the player. if you want more, love, you have to comfort her and make sure she thinks about you all the time..

example. met a girl while traveling, 2000km away. when i was back home she texted me a looot. i answered quite often, just a little less than she would. she mention she might visit my country because she has holidays so long.. so i texted more often to comfort her to visit me.. which she did..

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27, Switzerland

yup detox75 has a great point, that shouldn't be overlooked the phone should be used to meet up and any bit of fluff talk before this is merely delaying what should be happening.

You want to take the girl out and damnit you should! Be willing to put your neck out there to get that date just treat text game and phone game as obstacles in your path keep "dates" light and fun, and never call them dates this puts high pressure on things and makes her likely to flake.

I like to call the girl out of the blue and say something like " Hey I'm around your place lets grab lunch/cofee Have you ever had _____ they have the best _____" (as stated earlier) " I only have about an hour so don't wear your sexy stripper boots that take 45 minutes to put on"
This creates a light SPAM and I usually end up taking her out for much longer than an hour threaded with multiple activities.

Hey guys, Ive got a lot to tell you and little to ask, so here goes.

Firstly Tina still has not Instant Message-d me back, that’s right our convo was on the personal message system and its been 3 nights since our convo now, I sent the last message but she didn’t reply, probably as it was past midnight, little suprized how she didn’t even say bye - - - Bitch! I know I cant send her another message, becoz as you said its needy and theres no recovery after a double message!

Secondly, I know this is online sarging, but you guys actually reply back, nobody in the other forum sections do, so I’m gonn lay my day on u anyway... Iam working with a HB7-8, today and Ive been eye fucking her for a week now, and today we finally got to talk alone. She came into my room, and started a convo, which was slightly boring, but I just went along with it, then I pulled my game out and did a ‘dyed your hair neg’ which started a convo then we started talking about my hair, which she said she wanted to see my hair open(I have my closed), then I used the U-shaped and C-shaped smile routine, and used it as a neg when I said that a U shaped smile looks a little like a horse… This had her laughing, smiling me HARD and then multiple IOIs followed like playing with her hair and Blatantly putting lipstick on right infront of me!(okay so by now I KNOW im in on this) BUT then as Iam about to put in for a number close… I FREEZE, luckily she is talking and Im not saying much coz Im frozen. Anyway I eventually come out of this state, and I say
ME ‘’We aint going to get to talk like this, once ive left, how would you suggest we keep in contact?’’
(NB I work in different locations, and Iam only working here one more day, so I might not see her again)
HB ‘’well we could talk on facebook’’
ME okay kool, well write your name for me and Ill add you wen Iam next on fb’’
HER: you know my surname, don’t you! (yes I f’kn do!)
ME: Okay kool, Ill add you
END
BTW, I had oppprtunity to Kino, but I wont do it at work! So don’t cuss me☺
I really wanted to number close, but I spassed out like a bitch, and I think she realized I wanted to number close too! So the Question is, what do I do from here? Shall I number close after adding her on FB OR do I try and number close her IF I see next time? (it’s a big IF)
Also guys, please check my facebook instant message thread with Tina, and please tell me where I went wrong?

You Didn't do anything wrong based on your past experiences with her she probably just had an image of AFC you. This and gaming on face book doesn't always work in the players favor.

So just add that girl and I would say something along the lines of the material we have given you make it short and sweet I usually never take much time to game on facebook a number close in person is always much more likely to produce results.

So with that bring up something from your past conversation, and then close with something like "i am never really on here that often, and i would love to see your horse smile for a night on the town. I can feed you oats, you can gallop with me along the countryside it will be soooooo romantic so inbox me your number or we are soooooo getting divorced ." This is merely a sample come up with anything that you believe will get attention or put it here we are relatively quick with our responses