I've been thinking about it for a bit, but I hardly see any attractive girls that come off as Alpha-like... Most of them are passive and wait for or use silent flirting to get men to approach them. But this cannot be Alpha style right? I mean I'm talking about the kind of girl who can go up to whoever she likes start a conversation and walkout with numbers. So that brings me to wonder...what are the inner and outer characteristics of the AF???... other than confidence : ) I've got that one already.

lol.... i didn't claim to know everything!

You see much less of them than you do of alpha males, but that also tends to make them stand out more.

An alpha female is dominant, will own up to their mistakes, but doesn't take shit for them, has a handle on her emotions, is confident, is still friendly and fun to be around. A lot of women that try to be alpha, end up being bitches, but that makes them poor leaders and no one wants to be around them, so bitchy women aren't alphas typically.

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I have a friend that is a complete Alpha female and I noticed this because all of the girls around her are better looking, but she still completely controls the group because she is witty, confident, and funny. Her friends are much better looking but constantly seeking approval from her just because she is such a social and funny person.

hm, thanks guys... that was perfect.... okay but how about this:

What are some other signs that a girl is an alpha?

And how does being an AF differ from being an AM?

One Alpha Female that comes immediately to mind is Angelina Jolie.

She contains the following:
- rationality
- independence
- integrity
- honesty
- justice
- productiveness
- pride

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My take on things.

An alpha personality, in general, but in this case an alpha-female is one who is a fiercely independent, productive, passionate, efficient woman. Not you're typical "power woman" who runs the office or some big business.

When I look at any alpha characteristics I try to study and compare our actions to our animal relatives. How does a typical alpha-female act? She's tough, respected and/or feared, protective and nurturing. A goddess figure perhaps describes it better. A woman who is smart, wise, powerful (in action and/or wit) and desired.

Hell, I don't know.

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Of course the attractive female's are passive b cuz they can be guys will come why put out the extra effort of walking across the room. Its the mans job to initiate the convo anyways.

I think you refering to Alpha female as far a pickup???
As far as the woman doing the approaching it all depends on the whether or not she finds the guy in question attractive. Sometime it happens Pure Luck for the guy

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Well I come across alot of women who are just plain intimidating. Whether theyre attractive or not, some have control over both the men and the women because everyone is afraid of the her wrath. This is the first thing i thought of when you said alpha female. Alpha males usually arent the good, sincere, fun, and cool guys that you like to be around. They are intimidating and use fear to empower their will. I see women all the time use the same thing. Women that are insecure and are bitchy as hell to keep themselves from being under question. Of course there are exceptions to both, but n my experience, alot of alphas exploit this concept.

Okay here's another question then:

What kind of girls are you most comfortable being approached by? Which girls are you attracted to when they approach?

and again... what is the difference between the defining characteristics of an AF and a AM?? is there any?

I like a girl thats not dramatic and not critical with the trivial. Sense of humor is probably most important to me. If a girl appraoches me, Id like her to make me feel like I CAN be myself without having to worry about harsh insinuative judgments based on every little thing I do or dont do. If this was more common I dont think PU would be necessary.

I think that respect is the main factor in alphaism. How it is obtained is the difference. Thats just my opinion.

Alpha female to me is just that - leader of the pack. She is the one who gives structure to the group (her group of friends) and most likely the most socially adept in the group. (notice I didn't say most outgoing, but more likely the girl who people call to see where the party is) Alpha female is one who has major successes in playing the field right and turning mPUAs into crying AFCs haha. She knows how to work men and thats not just in the dating field. She puts herself in the right positions (no pun intended) and drops all the right hints to get things going the way she wants them too without actually actively directing. For us mPUAs Alpha F's should be avoided unless your on top of your A game cuz she will send you crying to momma. Personally for mPUAs if you can get an alpha female on your team (by your side) major DHV plus a lot of good things can come from working as a team. (great pivots) That's my definition.

As far as what type of girl I am most comfortable being approached by? Well one who shows general interest in me of course without trying to get something out of me right away or think she will walk all over me. Of course I wouldn't allow this to happen... but it's been tried. As far as attraction I generally won't have an initial attraction to a F Alpha that approaches just because she knows how to play the field and that's generally what she's trying to do when she approaches out of the blue. Now if it's a general interest and she allows me to decide how to continue the interaction I'll take it as a genuine IOI and possibly be attracted.


but that's just me... and my 2 cents

great point.

So what kind of girls then would you feel comfortable with approaching you out of the blue?.... what kind of qualities do they have?

lol, you guys can see where I'm going with this but hey, seriously, I'm here to learn and help learn of course : )

Im gonna take a different aproach then most of the other responses here. I think most of the definitions of AF your getting are a kind of redefined AM definition.

Some of the aspects are similar, take leadership or independance (not looking for validation). However, when i think AF (dont laff about this im serious), think of a grandmother figure. The central women in a family. They have opinions of thier own, they lead the other women in the family.

What makes them different then an AM?

They dont display characteristics that show survival value, but instead show replication value. An AF should be receptive, caring, yet still possess an independance and sence of self.

Im also gonna say that you will rarely see a AF because in alot of ways it may be counter productive to them displaying RV (reproductive value). Im not saying its not possible, but for most women, they are hardwired essentially to not be "Alpha" personalities.

As for what type of women i like to be aproached by, it is probably almost in line with what a women wants.

I dont like women who show intrest up front. I like to "work" for that intrest the same way women want to. I dont like women commenting on my physical appearence(Erin ), looks, etc. I do not consider these my best assets and if that is all the women is intrested in me for then im not intrested.

What i do like in a womens aproach once again is the same. I like to be aproached by socailly outgoing girls who come accross as just friendly. Talkative, playful and maybe a little flirtacious.

I like many other guys, aproach women based first on looks (we all have our standards), but i aproach to get a feel for thier personality...and if thats not upto my standards all the good looks in the world arent enough to keep me intrested. I analyze a womens personality the same way when they aproach me, and if thier personality doesnt intrest me i will blow them off.

Hope this helps, id feel like i was giving weapons to "the enemy", but as far as im concerned if your here, your one of the guys.

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I didn't really read all of the above again. But I'll just post my take on things.

The alpha female is just the leader of the group. She is the strongest girl in the group, So there is always one present, just like with the alpha male of the group. but I'll keep it simple here.

I'll use a 2 set from last nigth as an example. 2 set pretty average girls both nothing special. My wing opens them but overnegs with his first neg. ( PMZ members can read the field rapprt) So even though the bigger of the 2 gets insulted, the stronger shorter one blows up, trying to defend her friend.

Every (female) group has an alpa female and she is the one you need to engage. She might be ugly she might be your target.

If she is the target you will need to find enjoyment for the other girls before you can take her away. (if its a 3 set or above, 2 set you always need to get enjoyment for the other one be it the alpha or not)
If the target is one of the girls that is led by the alpha you will need to talk to the alpha anyway she is the one blocking. but you can easily leave her alone with the other girl she is leading.

Also you should be able to see more or less instantly who is the alpha female of the group. She will stand out more then the others.



As for girls approaching me, as long as she doesn't act all shy about it and doesn't fall quiet right away and has me leading her right away. I'm cool with it. If a girl comes up to me she better show that she is interresting right away. Don't take interresting as aggressive though. She can be interresting be just talking. Brushing but against me isn't gonna work. However if she ''asks'' politely if I want to dance I won't ever say no (Unless she is really ugly and not well groomed)

Erin I would not be that afraid of what you project when you approach men. The fact that VERY FEW women ever approach makes it such an event that most likely the guy will be more nervous than you. I for one ended up dating a girl that approached me at a party for a very long time because it just screamed confidence. Nothing is sexier than a confident woman.