Okay so I think I’ve been a bit of a keyboard jockey so far and haven’t really taken enough action yet. I’ve done a few approaches, some of which were bad but have got better over time and I feel like Approach Anxiety isn’t a huge issue for me now, it’s more a case of keeping my head and being as smooth as I know I can be while being aware that I’m talking to a hot girl that I could possibly nail.

I know a fair bit about game now and I can read a lot of people’s posts and feel like I know what they should do, but can’t yet speak from experience on a lot of things. I think it is time now to set myself a challenge and to put what I know in my head into action.

So here is the challenge I’m going to set myself: I want to get 10 numbers in my phone. Now I realise that in itself isn’t massively hard, even for a newbie, so I want to add some other requirements to ensure that I’m running solid game...

Firstly, I will text her as soon as I get the number with a quick friendly message (as discussed in another recent thread, this is the way to go!). If she doesn’t reply that day, then I may as well assume she was only giving the number to be polite, and it won’t count.

Then, I will PHONE her several days later. The reason I say several is that I want to make sure a sufficiently good connection was made that she will actually give a damn several days afterwards. It will also take discipline to wait that long and not to act like she's burning a hole in my dick. The rule is that she has to either answer or get in touch that same day. If she doesn’t then I can assume that she is not a good lead for future interactions, and she won't count. Or if she gets in touch later and APOLOGISES for not responding sooner then that will count, as life can obviously get in the way of things sometimes.

These rules are obviously put in place to stop me from being tempted to go “oh hey, nice to meet you, what’s your name? How about giving me your phone number cutie?” but then finding that she doesn’t answer later because we hardly spoke and she knows nothing about me.

I’m not going to set a time frame as I think I would rather take my time with this one and enjoy it, plus a time frame might put pressure on me to try and game girls that I’m not so attracted to just to build up the numbers. We could safely say before the end of this year, but it really ought to be a lot sooner than that if I’m really getting myself moving.

Further posts to come detailing successes, and any lessons learned from failures...

quick tip.

don't get caught up in text messages.
This is okay and a move I agree with. But use texting as a vehicle to get a face to face interaction. In other words, don't get into full conversations with her via text...save it for the date. there's a couple reasons for this:

1) its difficult to interpret your emotions through texting. She might take something the wrong way and it will kill your chances.

2) you'll run out of stuff to talk about on your first date because you'll be revealing too much of yourself - girls like mysterious guys.

A good example of what i'm talking about would be: "Group skydiving tomorrow. Let me know before noon if you can make it so I can reserve a spot for you." That simple.

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So to my credit, I posted this challenge last night, and went and tried for my first number today!

She was working in Topshop and when I walked in she seemed to give me a friendly glance and moments later she gave me what seemed like a proximity IOI so I figured I'd be silly not to have a go.

I said to her "so what film would you suggest I buy?"
Her: "Hmm, that's a bit random"
Me: I don't know, I just thought you might be a bit bored of talking about clothes"
Her: "Okay, well I'd like to get the Avengers film, I've seen it twice and I'd like to see it again"
Me: "Did you like the Dark Knight Rises?"
Her: some stuff about how she didn't like the Bane character
Me: Slight disagreement, how much I love the original Dark Knight film

Went on to talk a bit about her work, I said something about my job and it was an okay conversation, seemed friendly. There reached a point though where she was getting a bit too rambling and I felt like there was too much comfort there, so I cut her thread and said:

"I've actually got to go and meet my friend in a minute, but it was nice talking to you, what's your name?"
Her: "It's Rachel" (didn't ask my name)
I then said something about how I'd enjoyed our conversation and asked if she had and she said "yeah it was nice" or something like that
Then I said "if you wanted you could give me your phone number and we could continue talking another time, maybe..."
Her (cuts me off slightly): "Um, no thanks"
I gave her a moment to see if she'd elaborate any further but she didn't. She just maybe commented again about "it was nice, but no thanks"
I held my stance and remained cheerful and said "okay, that's fine"
She said "sorry, I feel bad now"
I said "well, it happens"
Said bye in a fairly friendly manner and that was that.

I talked in a recent thread of mine about the importance of good conversational threads, and to be honest, I felt that these could have been stronger. I also feel that I failed to say anything that showed a strong independent will of my own. I feel that there was too much rapport-seeking and that I quickly built a certain level of comfort without any real attraction.

At first, walking away, I was just laughing to myself and found it funny that she was so honest in the way she said "no thanks", but then I felt a bit of a sting after a while, a feeling that I wouldn't like that to happen too often. However, if I want success I have to deal with failure, and my awareness of not having created the attraction made me want to try going full-direct with a girl. I was thinking, I'm a fucking MAN, I should be the guy who takes her world by storm, not a guy who she says "that was nice" about.

Anyway, that was approach #1 and I'm 0 for 1 so far. I'm going to make an optimistic prediction and say that I think I will get the 10 decent numbers in 27 approaches. That will give me something to shoot for. If I should go over 50 and end up batting consistently less than 1 for 5 on average then I think there should be some kind of penalty as there's a level of failure that's too much

A couple of thoughts:

1. Sounds like you had no attraction from her. As a general rule, if you have attraction, you can get the number. As another general rule, you need attraction and connection for her to actually answer your texts or calls, but that's for another thread...

2.
Then you're going to end up pretty disappointing with this journey mate, as a lot of learning to be great with women is learnt through the mistakes rather than the successes. The absolute best of the best only get somewhere around 1 in 5 (which is more girls than you could ever have time for hehe). Not because the best guys are doing it right or wrong: because you can never predict what girl you are about to meet. Lots of girls have boyfriends they love, or they don't like you from the word hello, or it's a monday, or they feel ill, or any number of reasons. A case in point: a few years ago I got 7 numbers in a row and thought I was incredible. Sadly the next day I got 1 out of about 9 approaches. You just can't predict these things. The idea that you can get any girl you want is sadly a bullshit community myth created to sell a lot of products.

Rant over

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Oh yeah, 100%. Let me clarify my point if it was unclear, my point is that, regardless of all those other factors (which you're totally right about), I still need something to motivate myself to be the best me I can be! The 50 penalty is just a way of kicking myself up the arse and not saying "oh well, I'll just keep going and it doesn't matter how well I do or don't do". It's just about trying to motivate my own best performance.
Indeed I didn't. I wasn't really Alpha at all, but just ended up falling back on nice guy/polite/funny tactics which meant she was happy to remain in the conversation for a while, but didn't feel motivated to want to take the next step. I don't blame her at all, it was the response that my approach deserved.

Onwards and upwards though, and next time let's see a bit more fucking Alpha up in this bitch!

Okay, so no numbers yet, but I feel my game's coming on in leaps and bounds. I read someone comment recently about how it's bad form to try and get a number from a member of staff when you're a customer, and I think that's probably true. For that reason I've refrained from trying to get numbers from two girls I've chatted to recently (one in a shop, one at the gym), even though I felt they were both IOIing me. I know where they work so I can always try again later, maybe after a few more conversations.

I LOVED the conversation I had with this girl at the gym tonight. I'm not really one for rating every girl I see by her looks, but I'd say this one was an 8. She works at a gym so you can imagine her figure - tits and ass that defy gravity, and a cute face as well. Our conversation went something like this:

Her: So what can I do for you today?
Me: I'd like a swimming membership please
Her: So that's it, is it? That's all you want? Well that's nice and easy
Me: I'm trying to think of something that would trouble you more. I like troubling people.

I forget all the details but I said something about how I how it must get tiring having to be polite to people all day, and I said how I reckon underneath that pleasant facade she's probably REALLY rude. She pretended to be offended and said that she wasn't like that at all. I said "well look, that's just the impression I get from interacting with you for five minutes. I can always be wrong. I'm sure you can improve on it".

At some point she said "thanks, I feel really privileged" sarcastically and I responded "you are privileged, I don't insult just any girl" (very happy with this line).

Then I was filling out this membership form and she suddenly seemed like she was trying to collect her thoughts and she said something like "oh, what was I going to say? Oh yeah, how was your day? (I answered) How was your weekend? Did you get up to anything much?" (IOIOIOIOI). We talked about that for a bit.

I saw someone make this comment in the general questions section the other day that went like this:

"when I went emotionless for girls, that's when it all started to fall into place"

That's how I started out, but then when I saw what a good response I was getting, I found myself starting to FEEL things (wow, this girl's so hot and she LIKES me!). She took me out to the reception desk for me to make the payment and there was a queue. She was stood next to a notice board and I was thinking to say "you shouldn't stand there, or I might push you into that board". She would no doubt say "why?" and I would say "because it would be funny". It could easily have led into a bit of playfighting, but I clammed up because my bloody FEELINGS got the better of me.

As I was making the payment I commented that it was less than I thought she'd said, and we had some banter about how this was making up for her rudeness (she qualified herself quite a lot!). As I said goodbye I touched her shoulder and as I did she moved her body towards mine slightly.

I can say with certainty that the IOIs were all present and correct, but I can see how it's maybe a little cheap to ask for a number from an employee. I need to start conversations of this calibre with girls I that I DON'T already have a specific reason to be talking to, and that seems to be more of a challenge.

Going out tonight though, so let's see what occurs...

Wait, so you didn't ask that girl for her number?

No, now you mention it, I didn't. Bad move, you reckon?

Well, I mean... I'm a rookie. My success with women is solely due to my success as a musician (that's why I'm on here, I'm trying to change that... lol) without musicianship I'd be a virgin still.

But it sounds like she was into you. I mean, I would have gone for it.

She was way into me. I forgot to mention before I said goodbye to her she said something about how she'd be there if I had any more questions or if I just wanted to come and moan at her

I think I'll just go in next time and say "this card you've given me is ridiculous, the lines on the barcode are all different sizes, give me another one"

Thing is I'm going to be going swimming at this leisure centre a couple of times a week for the foreseeable future so I can maybe chat to her a couple more times and then get her number without it seeming like I'm "going for the kill" straight away.