The title got your attention, it is an honest title. We need Forum reforms! Unfortunately everything starts from the top…When a football team sucks (mpua forum) they do not fire the team they fire the coach. When the company stock goes down they do not fire the employees (they fire the ceo and the people at the top). When a co. Is not producing they fire the management. And please spare me, this has nothing to do with revenge, spite, animosity, it is HONEST ACCOUNT of what I have seen lately, and convos. With real seducers that left, are about to stop posting completely or stop posting already here.
• Get rid of all moderators that are not ACTIVELY SEDUCING (Most moderators here for what I know have gf right now and are either retire of semi-retired. THIS IS A SEDUCTION FORUM…) the reason I am saying this is even though I have a gf I am STILL ACTIVELY SEDUCING…So seducers with open, mltr or cheating relationships are the exceptions.
• Get rid of moderators that are not GOOD SEDUCERS or do not have enough experience 1 comes to mind.
• Let people go at it in discussions as long as is RESPECTFUL, even if things get heated.
• Stop scaring away members that are good at seduction, instead of getting rid of them you should be actively encouraging them TO STAY.
• No more kj, and newbie’s in the LOUNGE asking or making silly questions or threads that are NOT ADVANCE, and belong in the general questions.
• Allow members to complain about moderators when they have a legitimate concern and take action.
• Warn people about mistakes via pm instead of rude threats in the middle of legitimate discussions.
• If someone does get banned CLEARLY EXPLAIN the why with examples.
• Lock more threats that are weak and mental masturbation oriented.
• Get rid of more active kjs and REAL trollers. Something that rimes with love comes to mind.
• RE-form the forum rules(make it more clear, manageable, transparent). I have got banned couple of times(and i had to this day no idea why), no examples, believe it or not (for me to get banned, is a complement when it comes to this crowd)
• Election system of moderators by PEOPLE THAT HAVE A FOLLOWING ONLY or really good posts, methods, high reputation points, high post counts, post with value, no by newbies , politics or friendships.
• Allow the GOOD SEDUCERS, to DELETE their THREADS OR METHODS from the forum as punishment for mediocre performance of the forum, so the seducer can take it somewhere else were they see the value is.
• Moderators to police and enforce rules on other moderators, everybody should be on the same playing field.
• Moderators should act more like judges, instead of activist and politicians. Is biz is not personal.
*how come post with 1000+ views do not get the green/popular, some weak post 400+views get green(clearly definition of when threats become popular.
* Members to pick sticky instead of moderators.
What is trolling and what is not trolling, what is heated discussion and what is flaming… Real seducers have a lot of confidence, leadership, they are manly man, they have strong frames and personality, they can not turn it on or off, let me elaborate:
Trolling is defined being negative without real content. Whining, complaining, bitching, or attacking without any constructive criticism or suggestions or facts would be considered trolling.
Viciously attacking an idea, statements, or groups is fine. Attacking one’s behavior is fine. Harsh language is also fine. Attacking anindividual without demonstrating facts or without clear intent of helping others or without providing constructive criticism is not. Some examples:
Acceptable: “What you just said is crap and here’s why…”
Acceptable: “Your advice is shit and here’s why…”
Acceptable: “Dude you’re completely wrong and here’s why…”
Acceptable: “You’re lying. You said over in the other thread…”
Acceptable: “Holy crap! You’re acting like a pussy! You better...”
NOT Acceptable: “You’re full of shit.”
NOT Acceptable: “You’re a fucking piece of shit.”
NOT Acceptable: “He’s a fucking liar.”
NOT Acceptable: “He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.”
You can clearly see the difference in the above examples between attacking the person and attacking the words, actions, or ideas of the person.
Alternative keep ignoring, making excuses, and blaming other people. I encourage you to see the latest posts and the latest people that are ACTIVELY POSTING(other than you know who you are, this is not meant for you), or not posting anymore, cause they had enough of this crap. IF ANY OTHER REAL SEDUCERS HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, please share, this is sad to see..Other than that i already bought my dark suit.
I actually see HOW THE AWESOME talent we once had here (tva_oslo) for example are contributing with new methods, ideas, talent somewhere else, and the difference in SPAM, respect etc...
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I am moving this thread into the misc section as it doesn't belong in the lounge. As someone who is highlighting perceived problems with the forum quality I am surprised you didn't go to the effort of posting this in the correct forum.
With regards to your comments, I don't have the time right now to respond to all of them in detail (although I will try to find the time in the near future). What I would ask of you though is to please PM me with any concerns you have about any moderator on this forum (if it is myself, then please contact Chief) with details and as much evidence as you are able to provide.
I am moving this thread into the misc section as it doesn't belong in the lounge. As someone who is highlighting perceived problems with the forum quality I am surprised you didn't go to the effort of posting this in the correct forum.
With regards to your comments, I don't have the time right now to respond to all of them in detail (although I will try to find the time in the near future). What I would ask of you though is to please PM me with any concerns you have about any moderator on this forum (if it is myself, then please contact Chief) with details and as much evidence as you are able to provide.
Madals
To answer your question, is the reasoning of me posting in the Lounge, is because according to the rules you can ask advance questions, if you notice i ask in the post advance Seducers(who mostly go to the lounge) to contribute on how to make the forum better, i knew it was gonna get moved and you guys would not understand, thanks for making my point.
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The Lounge is intended to be a place for theory posts, new ideas, or at the very least new takes on old ideas. Please observe these rules to help make our forum the very best it can be.
In those rules, the only part we are missing is "to do with pick up" which we thought would be implied. Topics that are about how the forum is run / moderated are NOT a discussion about PUA and therefore belong in the misc section of the forum.
Also note that I feel this is an incredibly important topic that I look forward to both contributing to and getting others opinions about and therefore I would ask you to not make this into a thread where you simply start mod bashing. With respect, there is a lot we do with regards to this forum that I very much doubt you know but regardless we are always open to a discussion about how we can do better. What I will not accept is you simply posting comments that bitch about mods, we are adults after all and should be able to discuss this in a way that will hopefully improve the forum as a whole It is also worth mentioning that the mods are aware of some of the things you have highlighted in your post and we continually work to improve them but often the issue is more complex than it immediately looks.
Please can you confirm you have either myself or Chief a PM with regards to your concerns about the any moderator.
I agree when I first joined the forum. There were some really good posters that I actively stayed in touch with. Now it's full of people that don't know what are they doing. There are days sometimes weeks that I haven't seen an interesting forum thread that I could learn from. And I know that when u start everything is new to you and you can learn more and more but. While I was here I've seen some really good pua posting and just because some newbies trolling them mods decide that they'll ban the user for being offending to the trolls...
I agree with everything has been told here.. When has the forum promised to add some changes to the forum? A year ago? Nothing has changed.. the chat was one of the most important tools from this forum. When will it be re-added? Never??
I think that reputation power system should be changed. I don't even know if someone who got 200 rep should be trusted as a guy who gives good advice. Rep is currently got with each post, no matter what it is. Also, people give rep to people who said/did something funny. Should I trust someone with 10k posts fooling around all day, making funny remarks (who got like 500 rep)?
The way this could be fixed: Implement new rep system (to go along with this current one if needed be) where only rep from established elite PUAs count. Those elite PUAs could be elected by Moderators or member majority etc.
Just a suggestion. This is also a problem on many other forums. Current system is a nice approximate, but abusable.
EDIT: Also, I don't get why would I lose my own rep when i rep someone. Should i be less trusted if I like to rep people?
How exactly does the moderation of a forum link with people 'actively seducing'?
Isn't moderation more about deleting/editing posts that go against the forum rules, or banning/warning people who break the forum rules? Why does it matter if you're in a relationship or 'actively gaming'?
How exactly does the moderation of a forum link with people 'actively seducing'?
Isn't moderation more about deleting/editing posts that go against the forum rules, or banning/warning people who break the forum rules? Why does it matter if you're in a relationship or 'actively gaming'?
Do you want an economist running " Chase Manhattan Bank" or do you want a "Veterinarian" running Chase Manhattaan bank?
Do you want a construction worker doing heart surgery on your parents, or do you want Heart Surgeon...
With that being said i totally agree with what you said, but is not working as you can see, and as i have talk privately with many seducers...With that being said, it may not be there fault, you are totally right.
Here it is by Anonymus
Quote:
I've been active in the seduction community for over 5 years now and I've been apart of many forums. Many of them seem to follow the same pattern.
- Start out small and with a base of experienced and legit posters.
- Slowly grows and attracts many new members.
- Starts having small problems with spam. The first major KJ arrives.
- More users join. Along with them more KJs come. Spam increases.
- People arn't getting along like the used too. What used to be a bunch of like minded people helping each other out has turned into something else. - Many of the experienced posters get fed up and stop posting.
- The forum is filled with overly dumb questions, lots of useless spam, and a ton of KJs.
If you want to see a real world example take a look on over at MPUForum. I'm pretty sre I'm just going to stop posting there as its getting pretty bad.
This community is currently doing a great job! Which reminds me, Thank You Mods! You guys are doing a stellar job running this place.
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Running the bank and running a messageboard discussing the bank would be two different things though. This messageboard isn't set up to have the moderators being the teachers and everyone else the listeners, otherwise I'd agree with you. It's set up for everyone to be the teachers and listeners; everyone helps each other. The moderators' role isn't to determine what is good pick up advice or bad pick up advice, or to teach us anything in particular, their role is to moderate the forum - so as long as they know the forum rules and have the time to apply them that's all I need. The football forum I post on isn't moderated by a professional footballer, it's moderated by a journalist actually. You don't need to be good at pick up to read a few forum rules and delete posts that break those rules.
The quote you put in your last post is the same on every single forum there is on the internet. There is ALWAYS trolling. There is ALWAYS a 'clique' of people who don't get on with another 'clique' and ruin numerous threads with their arguing. There are ALWAYS noobie questions (but then again you want to attract new people on here as more people = more advice and thoughts on pick up, so you're going to have to make do with some newbie questions).
The title got your attention, it is an honest title. We need Forum reforms! Unfortunately everything starts from the top…When a football team sucks (mpua forum) they do not fire the team they fire the coach. When the company stock goes down they do not fire the employees (they fire the ceo and the people at the top). When a co. Is not producing they fire the management. And please spare me, this has nothing to do with revenge, spite, animosity, it is HONEST ACCOUNT of what I have seen lately, and convos. With real seducers that left, are about to stop posting completely or stop posting already here.
• Get rid of all moderators that are not ACTIVELY SEDUCING (Most moderators here for what I know have gf right now and are either retire of semi-retired. THIS IS A SEDUCTION FORUM…) the reason I am saying this is even though I have a gf I am STILL ACTIVELY SEDUCING…So seducers with open, mltr or cheating relationships are the exceptions.
• Get rid of moderators that are not GOOD SEDUCERS or do not have enough experience 1 comes to mind.
• Let people go at it in discussions as long as is RESPECTFUL, even if things get heated.
• Stop scaring away members that are good at seduction, instead of getting rid of them you should be actively encouraging them TO STAY.
• No more kj, and newbie’s in the LOUNGE asking or making silly questions or threads that are NOT ADVANCE, and belong in the general questions.
• Allow members to complain about moderators when they have a legitimate concern and take action.
• Warn people about mistakes via pm instead of rude threats in the middle of legitimate discussions.
• If someone does get banned CLEARLY EXPLAIN the why with examples.
• Lock more threats that are weak and mental masturbation oriented.
• Get rid of more active kjs and REAL trollers. Something that rimes with love comes to mind.
• RE-form the forum rules(make it more clear, manageable, transparent). I have got banned couple of times(and i had to this day no idea why), no examples, believe it or not (for me to get banned, is a complement when it comes to this crowd)
• Election system of moderators by PEOPLE THAT HAVE A FOLLOWING ONLY or really good posts, methods, high reputation points, high post counts, post with value, no by newbies , politics or friendships.
• Allow the GOOD SEDUCERS, to DELETE their THREADS OR METHODS from the forum as punishment for mediocre performance of the forum, so the seducer can take it somewhere else were they see the value is.
• Moderators to police and enforce rules on other moderators, everybody should be on the same playing field.
• Moderators should act more like judges, instead of activist and politicians. Is biz is not personal.
*how come post with 1000+ views do not get the green/popular, some weak post 400+views get green(clearly definition of when threats become popular.
* Members to pick sticky instead of moderators.
What is trolling and what is not trolling, what is heated discussion and what is flaming… Real seducers have a lot of confidence, leadership, they are manly man, they have strong frames and personality, they can not turn it on or off, let me elaborate:
Trolling is defined being negative without real content. Whining, complaining, bitching, or attacking without any constructive criticism or suggestions or facts would be considered trolling.
Viciously attacking an idea, statements, or groups is fine. Attacking one’s behavior is fine. Harsh language is also fine. Attacking anindividual without demonstrating facts or without clear intent of helping others or without providing constructive criticism is not. Some examples:
Acceptable: “What you just said is crap and here’s why…”
Acceptable: “Your advice is shit and here’s why…”
Acceptable: “Dude you’re completely wrong and here’s why…”
Acceptable: “You’re lying. You said over in the other thread…”
Acceptable: “Holy crap! You’re acting like a pussy! You better...”
NOT Acceptable: “You’re full of shit.”
NOT Acceptable: “You’re a fucking piece of shit.”
NOT Acceptable: “He’s a fucking liar.”
NOT Acceptable: “He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.”
You can clearly see the difference in the above examples between attacking the person and attacking the words, actions, or ideas of the person.
Alternative keep ignoring, making excuses, and blaming other people. I encourage you to see the latest posts and the latest people that are ACTIVELY POSTING(other than you know who you are, this is not meant for you), or not posting anymore, cause they had enough of this crap. IF ANY OTHER REAL SEDUCERS HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, please share, this is sad to see..Other than that i already bought my dark suit.
I actually see HOW THE AWESOME talent we once had here (tva_oslo) for example are contributing with new methods, ideas, talent somewhere else, and the difference in SPAM, respect etc...
Let's do it! We just gotta stay active, keep the forum afloat, I'd say.
Update: Forum getting better, more locking of posts, more posting by moderators, more respectful warnings, and more banning of trollers... So i guess this post kind of work.
On popular post: they become popular by participation and no view count.
I also realized that all forums have a bunch of kjs, trollers and mental masturbators, and high school type groups(politics/burocracy), i guess is something that comes with the territory...
New experience poster are posting Gunwitch(Allen Reyes) and Steve Jabba
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Update: Forum getting better, more locking of posts, more posting by moderators, more respectful warnings, and more banning of trollers... So i guess this post kind of work.
On popular post: they become popular by participation and no view count.
I also realized that all forums have a bunch of kjs, trollers and mental masturbators, and high school type groups(politics/burocracy), i guess is something that comes with the territory...
New experience poster are posting Gunwitch(Allen Reyes) and Steve Jabba
Only way forum will get better is if moderator's post more articles, article spins and submit to directories. Not really in our control. Unless one of us decides to post articles for it.
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It is also worth mentioning that the mods are aware of some of the things you have highlighted in your post and we continually work to improve them but often the issue is more complex than it immediately looks.
