Hey guys ..
i'm in the process of upgrading everything in my game (& im starting of the basics 101) i started to see some patterns in different situations. so i would like to ask some awesome guys here to share their ideas and thoughts!

"well, I noticed that when seeing any girl .. i get into really shy-mode! this is the way i was raised .. in such a way .. that's can't HOLD an eye contact with any girl for more than 2-sec which is now really bothering me!!

example " i've been to this mini-market with my bro. he bought load of stuff and i waited near him next to casher. so this two cute girls entered to the shop and graped something and both waited behind him. as always i looked at them *not in the eyes* quickly and moved my set back as i was checking for something .. return back after a while as my bro finished with the casher! return to car and what my brother was saying Hey .. those both girls were totally checking u out!! u should do something!

My Questions ===

1-How can you HOLD eye contact with girls!! w/o looking creepy or weird horny?
2-What kind of ideas normally run through ur mind to keep cool and shit ?
3-EYE FUKING? what, when, how?
4-Any awesome ideas?

Thxx ..

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I was like you but I got over it quite quickly.
This is how I did it.

You know that program called Monster Confidence, I think? Where the guy challenges you every day for a month with increasing challenges like Eye Contact --> Asking Strangers for Direction ... increasing the challenge each day.

So I stuck on the Eye Contact thing, being my worst point.
I went out for a walk until I found 100 people who met my eyes. It counted only if I held an eye contact until they passed me or they broke it. I did just 100 because it was winter and not many people were around, and most of those that were, had their heads lowered down. In the summer you could probably go for 200-300.
Do it the whole day if you want to. It's not like you have to walk for 2-3 hours on the dead cold like I had to

I made like 1-2 days pause in between the training days so my mind have time to absorb the new mindset. And did it 4 more times.

After that, my mind wanted more eye contact! It's addictive, seriously!
Now in my everyday activities I actually search for people to look into their eyes...and it didn't take much effort to change.
Just keep doing it and you'll get that snowball rolling into an unstoppable mountain of snow.

Now, a group of 4 bikers passed by me...I kept looking into the eyes of the first one...he broke the eye contact.
Some buff 300 pounds bodybuilder? Looking down.
(I'm mentioning guys just because if you can look those kinds, you can look any woman also)

There is one problem though...while talking to someone, I just can't look anywhere else. I have to wear a string on my finger to remind me to break it, so the person I'm talking to doesn't feel uncomfortable.


Considering looking creepy/horny/weird...my facial expression doesn't change when I look people in their eyes. It's the same as it is right now, while typing this post.
Only recently, when doing it on women, I added a only slightly wider eyes (meaning 10% wider tops, it's subtle but they pick it up...suggesting I'm pleasantly surprised in a way) followed by a sly smile. Gets a lot of smiles back and looks diverted down...even some girls stopped me starting a conversation with "do I know you?"

I think that is all I have to say on this subject. Enjoy!

Yo awesome man,

this is exactly what im was looking for ..

I've tried it and seriously .. im getting addicted to this game lol

thanks a lot for sharing. u are awesome

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I posted something on facebook about this like yesterday. Look up Joshua Meggison if you wish. If a woman locks eyes with you and relaxes while holding eye contact. She likes you and she's looking for a date and you could fit the bill. If she looks then once your eyes meet she quickly breaks the eye contact.. shes taken by someone else or she just doesn't want a relationship. But this doesn't mean her mind can't be changed.. because she is attracted. Where there is attraction there can be more. Also to get over your fear of eye contact.. do yourself a favor.. dress your best and peacock. Go to a gay bar. Men that would date you will stare you down until YOU look away. (bisexuals do this too) You do the same until you hit the 5 second mark then find a new man eye gaze with. Plus it's 90% fear.. 10% commitment! JUST DO IT! Women don't want too much eye contact until they know you. That's why I said 5 seconds. If they will hold the eyes for 5 seconds you got her attention already if you don't screw up. When you know she likes you.. you'll be comfortable with eye gazing. That's just natural. In my opinion over extended eye gazing is not the best method for gay men to use.. but then again I'm not gay. I locked eyes with a man for 20 seconds.. just to test how long he would do it.. I broke the contact when I got bored. But gay dudes WILL break you of this fear.

I've played around with eye contact a fair bit. I found that, for me anyway, the big no-no's were walking around a club trying to make eye contact and also when I did make eye contact thinking that the girl was annoyed/disgusted/not interested if she quickly looked away.

I'd say don't go round a club trying to make eye contact with girls. It comes across needy and girls pick up on it. If you have good body language, vibe or state then you will get girls check you out. You can pick up on this through your peripheral vision (unless of course they straight up try to make eye contact!) and then make eye contact with them. So try to generate IOI's and let the girls make eye contact with you, or make it as if you've caught them checking you out.

When you do get eye contact, if they hold it then it's on. Simple as. Approach. Like I mentioned above though I assumed that if they looked away quick it was off which is wrong. In seduction girls have to be submissive and eyes looking down is a sign of submission. If you get this with a batch of other IOI's like hair flicks or preening or in particular, her flicking another look at you then its on. You really want to have a look at the body language video's by poeticlyskuac. I think he explains it all better than anyone. If the body language is negative however such as her turning away it probably does mean she's not interested.

As for eye contact during a conversation just play around until you get the feel for it. I like keeping strong eye contact whilst listening to someone but mixing it up when I'm talking. Avoid being submissive with any looking away. E.g looking over her shoulder and scanning the club wouldnt be submissive but looking at your feet when she challenges you on something is

So I find it easy to maintain eye contact when talking to someone, but a problem I constantly have is at my college I'll be in situations where I'm walking and there are people walking my direction. It feels weird just to stare at someone in the eyes. Should I do it anyway?? Like should I do the thing where you stare until they look away?

College is one of the best places to practice maintaining eye contact with strangers. That is where I really learned the art of eye contact, and I'm glad I did. Walking down the halls, I would lock eyes with a good looking girl walking the other way and give a quick smirk. Most of them reciprocated with a smile back, which is a HUGE confidence boost. Even without words being exchanged, those couple seconds of interaction can really set a day down a good path. The difference between a creepy stare and an interested look is the smile that goes along with it.

Double points if you can get a smile back from a girl holding hands with another guy...

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Thanks

I'm a massive fan of learning about eye contact and other body language.

Focus on making eye contact with girls you find attractive. This is real reason we are improving our eye contact. Being able to read a girls eye contact is just as important as your eye contact.

Look above and beyond other people you have no interest in.

Their are many good articles on the internet. I will look for the ones I'm using amd post the links later.

If neither of you guys were close to balling up for a fight after 10 seconds this was dangerously close to homo.

I'd just like to add to my previous post in this thread.

There is this older guy who's going to his job at the same time as I am. We usually meet once or twice a week in the public transportation. He's a fucking psycho and he looks like gray haired version of this guy



He simply doesn't break eye contact and our staring contest last around 15 to 20 minutes. What better practice could I get? After that I could stare down Hitler.

I also added a smirk and most people are reciprocating and smiling back. Random girls saying 'hi' thinking they know me etc.

Three days ago I was getting back home from the gym, when I saw the 2nd most famous actor in the country coming my way (he lives near by). I looked him straight in the eyes, smirked and nodded. He said 'Good evening' and I responded back unfazed 'Good evening, sir'. That event reminded me of this topic.

Connecting eyes with girls? Pfft boring

EDIT: Also, I have to correct my previous post. Program is Demonic Confidence by Lucas West and not Monster Confidence (those two could be similar though, I don't know)

I think the best way to get around this is really to have no fear of failure. Here's what I mean..

Being afraid to make eye contact stems from lack of experience in doing so and insecurity. I'm not saying everyone who cannot hold eye contact with hot women is completely insecure, but it's probably safe to say there is some lingering doubt that she even finds you attractive.

I still suffer from this periodically, but I've done what Maynard James Keenan was discussing over and over ALONG with a few other things to get over this.

I'm a strong believer that when you go through hard, but rewarding experiences that have nothing to do with women and you come out of them successful or with a positive outcome or lesson learned, you build up this massive residual confidence in yourself that pretty much takes away any reason for any method or tactic that you would need to use on a woman to make her believe something.

If you focus on those things in your life all the time, then being genuine will be the best way to go. And this should be easy if you genuinely find a woman attractive. You just don't want to focus on what you think she is thinking about you. Just focus on your own thoughts and basically just being aloof and relaxed.

This will give you a sense of reserve, and will build curiosity and intrigue.

What you want to do is display that you find her attractive by just giving her a strong look in the eye , a subtle smile to go with it. then casually look away somewhat slowly.

You really want to express that you're just wrapped up in your own thoughts. If she smiles back or starts lighting up that you're looking at her, then this is a perfect open for you to go over and talk to her.

Get out of your heads, guys!! This should be fun, not nerve wrecking. Life is too short to worry about these tiny details. Just go out there and DO IT and learn from your success and failures.


Good luck!



Cory D

I think the best way to get around this is really to have no fear of failure. Here's what I mean..

Being afraid to make eye contact stems from lack of experience in doing so and insecurity. I'm not saying everyone who cannot hold eye contact with hot women is completely insecure, but it's probably safe to say there is some lingering doubt that she even finds you attractive.

I still suffer from this periodically, but I've done what Maynard James Keenan was discussing over and over ALONG with a few other things to get over this.

I'm a strong believer that when you go through hard, but rewarding experiences that have nothing to do with women and you come out of them successful or with a positive outcome or lesson learned, you build up this massive residual confidence in yourself that pretty much takes away any reason for any method or tactic that you would need to use on a woman to make her believe something.

If you focus on those things in your life all the time, then being genuine will be the best way to go. And this should be easy if you genuinely find a woman attractive. You just don't want to focus on what you think she is thinking about you. Just focus on your own thoughts and basically just being aloof and relaxed.

This will give you a sense of reserve, and will build curiosity and intrigue.

What you want to do is display that you find her attractive by just giving her a strong look in the eye , a subtle smile to go with it. then casually look away somewhat slowly.

You really want to express that you're just wrapped up in your own thoughts. If she smiles back or starts lighting up that you're looking at her, then this is a perfect open for you to go over and talk to her.

Get out of your heads, guys!! This should be fun, not nerve wrecking. Life is too short to worry about these tiny details. Just go out there and DO IT and learn from your success and failures.


Good luck!



Cory D


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