Been single now for about 2 years and in a major dating rut. My main issue is that I am not satisfied with the quality of girls I can reel in. I’m a relatively good looking guy and fairly good shape, but I can’t seem to attract women above a certain level (lets say 6 or 7). I’ll go out to bars and have no trouble communicating/attracting these girls, but when I make an attempt to open/start a conversation with more attractive women, I fail (usually by losing their interest). I should mention that while I still get cold feet when it comes to approaching woman, I’m not one to resist the approach. I usually will try and make an attempt at approaching a woman (group or solo) that I am interested in.

I have read The Game (several times) and studied some PUA theories. I am familiar with the basics (negging, peacocking, demonstrating value, etc). I am a pretty confident person; I smile when I enter a room and do my best to hold a certain relaxed, nonchalant attitude about myself in social situations. But like I said earlier, these basics are only getting me so far. I just don’t know what I am doing wrong. How can I being to approach and attract girls of higher caliber? I am sure some of you are familiar with my situation and any help would be greatly appreciated. I could go into more detail about my situation, but I’m sure you get the gist of it.

I'm faily sick of 'getting lucky' as well...it shouldn't be luck!

I am new to this forum so I don’t really know my way around. Any tips or threads that people know about would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help and I look forward to hearing from you!

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"A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or
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Got to be an asshole for the higher caliber girls.
neg, tease, and let them know your not going to take there shit

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thanks for the reply...i have tried that type of thing, and it usually works at first, but i usually fade out after that first neg or tease...thats where my real problem lies. cant breach that barrier.

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"A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or
hire a bodyguard."

Are you cocky funny?

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i attempt to be, but it usually fails. i know i could be [i]much [/i] better. i know some pretty good openers, but i dont think any of them are cocky funny enough for higher caliber women.

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"A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or
hire a bodyguard."

I would try a neg opener and see how it works for you.

Say something like jeez why do you look so bored... this is a club your supposed to be having fun.

Then be sure to back it up with quick thinking because some times they are going to fire back

Im no pro or anything but the best thing we can do is practice, practice, practice and see what works with our own personal style

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appreciate your help...thanks bro. i like that opener.

to share one i used, i met a girl recently at a club and for the entire conversation i wouldnt tell her what my real job was. i kept switching from park bench repairman, to professional knot tying, to professional wet concrete sidewalk handprint master. it kept her laughing the entire time and i ended by saying 'how about i tell you about my real job over drinks sometime'

she obliged. best ive done lately, she was about a 7.5

i started the conversation with the boring opener of so, what do you do for a living. i could tell she was bored with it, but i was able to back it up with all of the funny fake jobs i do.

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lol... thats funny shit... yeah i would just stick with situational openers... i like doing neg situational the best..

but good luck man

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Personally you need to also work on inner game. This takes work but if you pm I will explain in greater detail.

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hey wild one, i sent you a pm but im not sure if it worked. if it didnt, can you pm me or tell me on this thread and i will send another one. sorry, im new to this! thanks.

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I agree completely with The Wild One. I currently have a pick of over a dozen phone number from HB7-HB9's. I know I look good, but that has never helped me get the HB8's+ and I've always made due with around a 7. The moment I started getting all this interest is when I realised on my culinary arts course, during waiting class that since I'd taken that class women had responded differently to me. This was due to 2 things: posture and body language (very alpha) and lots of frame control.

Since then I have not looked back and practiced my game on a strong HB9 on NYE. I started with 2 neg's, disqualifying when her HB7-8 friends told me she was single, in front of her, and that they could practically see me working out what I'd have to do to get with her! So far so good. After giving her negative body language and then going for a cigarette, I found she kept following, with me always turning my back but sitting relatively near to her, once we got in. To cut a long story short, after some time out in bars and after midnight we went back to my friend's house and had great sex. I'm not The Man, especially when it comes to The Game and after this it's not gone as planned (she is 'seeing' someone) - but I got there, when I messed up with 2 other HB's only a short while ago.

The reason I say all this is that I've realised that the major factor that has changed is my body language and signaling with this and posture. Carry on with the c&f and include some cat string! If you attract her for a little while - great! Now walk away when it does get interesting and give her a reason to go on talking to you. Good luck.

thanks karl, i have tried my best to improve my body language. i know i need work, but i do my best to keep my posture up and smile when i enter a room. i try to remain relaxed and chill at all times. i like your story...any other suggestions?

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"A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or
hire a bodyguard."

Are you UK or US based?

From what you say, based on my experience and on what I've learned from The Game so far I'd say focus on cat string and punishing/rewarding with the right body language. For me the most noticeable effects from HB8s+ are negging a few times and disqualifying myself if the situation is right (eg. she knows I know she's single). Eg. Damn, we're so alike *then c&f*: that's why it would NEVER work out between us. Or "you're cute, if you were 4 years older, I'd take you out for a drink for sure. Things like that.

BUT, you know what? You haven't had sex for a while by the sounds of it! And you're reading material on how to improve your game. And you're in a rut. I think rather than aim for birds you really like, just get out of that wasteful rut and get your d*ck wet! Go for a 6 or 7. They're ok aren't they? They might not be what you really want, but get yourself some action and have fun. It's called The Game for a reason; go have fun with gaming girls and build up. Get your confidence back mate.

Hey Karl - I am US based. I have actually used that line before (we're so alike, we'd never get along etc..) But, what you pointed out is exactly why i need to do. My negs arent strong enough. I also have very little to no experience using cat string theory in the field...i really need to strengthen that aspect as well as disqualifying myself.

problem is, my standards are too high. i think i need to lower then and follow your advice. im sure this will build up my confidence and make my game with HB8+'s even better. thanks for your advice.

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"A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or
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Nice one. Would love to hear back when things get going again. Have a good weekend gaming!