This is exactly what I offered you. Do you need examples?
So . . . you're a recent graduate with no corporate experience? What gives? What you just wrote is absolutely, utterly false. To be successful, the successor needs to fucking RIDE people. Those people will not be ridden unless there is something in it for them. Management has very little to do with being an asshole or being cordial. All it takes is to make the people being ridden love doing it. If you took a class in management, you'd learn that even money is an inadequate incentivizer. What I wrote earlier in terms of the habits of the successful is only an introduction to the topic.

You will not see it yet. . . but others reading will realize now why everything that I wrote earlier is a difficult act to fake.
If you are in fact high value, this alone makes you a challenge to the girl.
You're pulling ideas out of the air in a disorganized manner, but as I wrote earlier, a good actor will be able to pull it off for a night of drinking... but you don't seem like much of an actor.
What you don't seem to understand is this:

We used to run a gang of models in HK. They came in by the truck loads. When a few leave after their 3 month stay to go to another city that requires a fresh face, another few are shipped in. The ones that are in the middle of the stay help with the goodbye parties and help with the welcome parties and do the intros. These girls are cute but they're from the middle of fucking no where in the US and all they have to offer on the table is their vagina. Do you really think any of us have the heart tell them that any part of what they are or do is 'negative'? Telling them to "Follow their dreams. . . " is condescending enough even when we are trying our best to as sincere as possible. Do you understand what I am saying here? Don't you understand that this is the NEG that actually works?

#1 Fix your tone. You're flippant and that makes you look bad.

#2 Better than examples go ahead and speak from personal experience.

#3 Look man, your feeding me fairy tales. Successful people in America ride people like slaves and verbal abuse is rampant.

#4 You're not a challenge just because you have value. You don't value 10 dollars you had to work 3 days for versus $100 dollars that was just given to you. Similarly, you don't value a trophy thats just given to you as much as someone that works their entire life for the Lombardi Trophy.

#5 its not about fooling people. Its about living a more discipline and spartan lifestyle, restraining your inclinations for whats more practical.

#6 My ideas are not disorganized.

#7 Telling someone to follow your dreams is not negative in the least, it sounds more like preying on insecure girls by making them feel better.

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That's a joke, but I think it reflects the non-needy and mind over your dick mindset to neg appropriately.

To be more precise maybe its not the fear of inadequacy, but the fear of being less than she thinks she is or the dread of seeing herself/thinking of herself in a way she does not want to think of her self in. This is why I say its high self-esteem because the girl thinks every guy should worship her then when you don't worship her she chases you in order to make you worship her. Its kinda like a chip on her shoulder. THe comment isn't so strongly negative that it ruins her self-esteem, but it strong enough to challenge her.

Like something that I have been doing is like when I go out I will talk to a girl directly, start a good conversation then eject and tell her I'll be back in a bit. Then i will talk to others in front of her doing the same thing. Then I will dance with the other girls in front of each other. This demonstrates value but more than that it challenges the girls. It makes them wonder is that other girl better than me.

You are both correct.

Its in the overall pressence BUT there are some women AND men with over inflated egos that cant be negged by mere presence. You would need to actually give them a rude reality check.

A neg is an announcement verbal or non verbal that you are not bound by social dynamics, social value, or by the dream world where she lives in where she is the queen.

Just like this dream world. We are simply in a forum typing behind a keyboard. The number of upvote you get are really just candies handed out so you would be encouraged to take time out of your life to create quality posts for free.

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Try it your way and tell us how it works out for you. Good luck.

Kasabi is spot on!

I'll tell you a tale of two different managing styles.

One manager was 22 years old, arrogant fresh off of a construction site. He lead with Alpha, people hated working for him. He had dominant body language and tone, very aggressive and expectant of his employees. They didn't work hard. He had to ride them and double check all of their work. He had to go make sure they were working fast enough. There were constant complaints about how he talked down to them and felt he was better then them. He felt they worked for their checks and that happiness wasn't important as they worked for money not happiness. When people worked for him they dragged. They would avoid him and clock out.

Then there was a 24 year old manager, he had read One Minute manager and various other management books. He knew the power of tone, body language, understood that people needed to just talk, he had fun on the front end. Everyone worked hard and fast because they wanted to be around him. He didn't need to double check with regularity, people would come to him and ask if they did a good enough job. They would see if it was ok, they would make sure they said by and he would make sure to thank them. They loved working for him.

I told you two managing styles but I was the manager. People work harder for someone they like, they do more when they are happy, they stay on task and are more directed. People bend over backwards to help me now a days, they rearrange their plans to work for me. They ask me if they did a good enough job. I run my department with charisma and people appreciate me more then any other manager I work with. You have a lot to learn about business and the way of good business these days.... Every major study shows the companies with the highest overall production rate have happy employees, not afraid ones.

You bring up Hitler but fail to mention that He FAILED! He wasn't a success. People didn't fear him enough to not kill him or fight him. So your arguments starts with no validity at all.

Trust me, as someone who has been a manager and used both styles of management it is way way way worse to use negative then positive.

If you are high value they seek your approval. You are not high value so you don't understand this. When you actually hit high value, even after you admit attraction you do not lose power. This is the power of confidence and high value, your insecurities shine through if you focus on the neg. There is no need for it, the neg if used should be a playful statement it isn't a negative statement.

It's you joking with her like no other guy does because every guy is a little intimidated by her. You not being intimidated by this hot girl makes you different, interesting, and more attractive, use it to make her smile.

Neg is the most misused concept in the PUA and I almost feel it should be considered an advanced move with the way some of these guys use it.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Jesus... people still neg?

Why do you feel the need to take value away from a girl? An attractive person gives value to other people.

Dude, this is making me sick. . . all this flowery language about girls.

A Neg, as in a negative statement whether it is couched in humor or not, has many purposes.

1.) It can be used to challlenge the girl, when she thinks she deserves your affection because she is proud of her beauty. It makes her prove what she believes.

2.) It can be used to create value by making you look better than the other person.

3.) It can be used for pure emotional manipulation purposes.

You're challenging the girl.

I apologize in advance for this mean post but you are leaving us no choice if you refuse to get the point and argue with utter ignorance based on past thoughts.

You wanted an example from kasabi I gave you a great fucking example and you just deny it? How ridiculous is that? You just disqualify it because I run operations where I manage 30 people.

I get the feeling you aren't very good with women, I get the feeling you fail a lot. You can choose to listen to people who are smarter, have studied this and know what their talking about or you can go on with your closed minded arrogant thought process, don't sit here advertising stupid concepts then say it is fact.

Studies proved that a positive managing style improves work production and the employee population is happier. This means it is cheaper because lower turn over rate. Turn over rate cuts into profit, having to retrain employees as well as higher
efficiency because of the learning curve of the job.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about in short. You think my age has to do with my job title, managing people at any length higher or lower doesn't change. People work harder for someone they like, this isn't some shit I made up.

You keep mentioning the military but there is a difference, the military's job is to break down the person and make them conform to a certain thought process. This is similar to brainwashing, talking down to people also makes them conform as a team, the difference is the military gives you the enemy. When you have a douche bag boss you guys all conform to hate your common enemy the boss, you can sabotage him and what not.

Communication is also key, if you hate your bossy you won't communicate with him a lot. In fact you'd rather avoid him than communicate with him. Office Space paints that picture perfectly. This is how it is, a lot of people avoid their boss but if you love working for your boss you communicate, have a team SPAM and when people love their job production goes up, turn over down, and thus profits up.

You have some severe mental issues if you think charming a woman is disgusting.
You also likely have little or no skills with women if you have no charm.

1. If you are high value you don't need to challenge her. YOU ARE A CHALLENGE WHEN YOU ARE HIGH VALUE. You seem to keep missing this, you again don't understand because you aren't high value.

2. If you are worried about her value being higher than you, you don't understand what high value is. High value is not needing to create value, just being it.

3. I disgust you because I'm charming yet you use it to emotionally manipulate women? What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm not saying I haven't done it before (I'm very ashamed of it) but I don't need to do it to get laid. This is a problem right here.

You should probably go see a therapist, maybe work on some personal problems you seem to have. You are seriously sick if you think mistreating a woman and breaking down her self-esteem is the way to go to get laid. I just can't imagine what goes on in your head to see this as the right way to get laid. Your obsession with power is unhealthy, power to be high value, either you have it or you don't.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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the whole concept of m3, is to build value before escalating, the whole idea is to create a perception of value, and play with a fear of loss while gaining investment, flirting with your interest (he loves me, he loves me not *cat string*) and escalating, playing the part of a coquette with an interesting life worth being a part of

you ''dhv'' to frame your percieved social life as exciting, edgy, interesting, you're leading a life of women wanting you, guys looking up to you

you're out there standing up for your buddies/loved ones and emoting what you say because you have a passion and confidence about what you believe in

but what do people do when they first meet?, the feel each other out for common ground, I like this, are you into that?, I don't like this, you're not like that are you? cool, we have so much in common!, wow, I can see we won't get along! (seem familiar?), it is just trying to get to know people, and having standards about who you allow into your life to connect with you, if you are indifferent, it is not likely you will be actively really caring about if they qualify or not, or if they judge you, or really caring about if they react to you and end up sleeping with you or being your friend, or anything, you simply don't allow people into your life that don't meet your personal standards, and do allow people into your life that meet your standards, less reaction, more proaction, less focus on an outcome, more focus on self enjoyment

indifference is at the heart of a person who is satisfied, when you are not invested in someone, what could you possibly need from them if you are satisfied? if you have value, why would you need something from others?, indifference and leading, rather then reaction seeking while being in full reaction

the more ''social value'' you are projecting, the harder it will be to remain congruent when it is not so, but the more people will want to gain your approval and qualify for the next spot in your life, if some guy is talking about his 20 stripper ex gfs, and having huge orgies, and how the other day he led his company to 2million in sales, it's going to be pretty hard to believe if the guy is a fat, balding 4'5 nervous guy, who doesn't even look like he believes his own bullshit and is wearing a wardrobe that looks like it's fresh from walmart

so what exactly is a neg in the first place?, it's not an insult, yes it breaks rapport, but you are trying to suggest this is some negative form of verbal abuse, mystery himself even explained on masf that a neg should always be delivered playfully, it is like a deadpan statement like you are blowing your nose

it's just a qualifier, that dis-qualifies her as a potential suitor passively through the frame, you are framed passively up to a higher standard then she is, but this is not where your mindframe is likely comming from, you seem be comming from ''my life is not fufilled, I have to make this girl feel down on herself to like me, I need her in my life to make it better'' this is not what you want to project, you want to project ''my life is great, you're pretty good I guess... sort of''

this more so helps you get passed a girls notion you are only interested in her and for the express purpose of sex, so that you can build that love story with her when she is not in ''the mood'' or is surrounded by cockblocks to keep her away from ''the mood'', she met your standards eventually and ''won you over'', at the same time it attempts to disarm a group of would be cockblocking girlfriends by allowing them to trust you in isolating your target, when you have only been demonstrating through the whole interaction she is not all the way qualified as a suitor, and your frame the entire interaction has been social, this gives you the ability to isolate 1st before you start hitting on the target to flip the frame, but it's not really hitting on the target in it's self, this is where the biggest MM sticking points lie, A3, most guys can't do A3 for shit because they are afraid of becomming vulnerable and showing intent and/or escalating

if you suck at doing this, the whole frame is not going to reflect this whole strategy, and you're going to be like one of those 17 year old guys in highschool who just read the mystery method, talking a whole bunch of shit, and playing yourself up with stories, looking for reactions and getting blown out making a post about ''how do I fix this?'', ''why is this girl so rude to me?, more value?'', ''I dhv'd and negged for 2 months and never touched her or told her I liked her, she hates me now, what do I do? more negs?'' sitting there woundering why the girl didn't escalate on you, thinking it had something to do with your ''value'', when you could have been making out with that girl 30 minutes after meeting her if you just built some compliance

the thing is putting a girl down, or bringing her up for reactions, doesn't really get you closer to entering her vagina, it can get her reacting to you so you can lead easier and more firmly show your intentions towards her, but escalation gets you closer to that vagina, and she only allows the escalation to go down, if she trusts you enough to be compliant, and for that trust to happen she has to get a sense for who you are, and if who you are is a guy who resents and hates women, then this will be counter productive, and if you are indifferent then being clear in your intent isn't a thing, because you don't care, and if you do care and are being honest, then this makes you feel vulnerable, and being turned down when you care can hurt, but do it enough you will start to become indifferent and numb to the feeling, and possibly develop higher personal standards to prevent yourself from investing in people that are not worth the time

the end goal is a frame of, I like you, you like me, we have sex and trust each other, if you can get a girl to believe you are important, and you show her she is wanted (different from needed), and you can both trust that your mutual intentions are genuine, you can escalate together, but the problem with this is you have to be willing to take that first step and make yourself vulnerable, be the first to lead to the path

if the frame reflects, I am better then you, I don't like you, you like me, this end goal is not a very productive set of frame work, good luck getting girls with high self esteem to follow you to this end, this is more likely to create resentment then mutual trust and compliance

so in a sense if your intentions are disengenuious, you will destroy that trust you have built with her as soon as she gets the sense that you are incongruent, and if there is trust but she has no chemistry with you and your lives are not in alignment with your intentions and standards, then she will not be willing to be led, as long as you are indifferent to this, nothing will stop you from just screening more women instead of getting emotionally attached to those that don't suite you

no standards or ability to lead her (no clear intentions) = no investment on her end,
no investment = no trust,
no trust = no connection,

prove that your intentions are not genuine, lose the investment you have built because she can't trust you

connection + compliance leads to sex

also the frame you project, will affect your ''social value'', but if you are incongruent, she will realize that you are a shitty actor, if you want to project a high value, you best be fucking congruent with confidence and social skills and projecting indifference and leading, or she is going to test the shit out of you and see right through you, ''social value'' is also not the be all end all, plenty of girls will fuck a guy with no social life as long as he fills other needs

a neg is supposed to project indifference, but if you are not actually playing the part of ''I don't care'' in your mind, then the frame will reflect this, and all of a sudden the ''standard'' that you are displaying, is no longer a ''standard'' it is a ploy for a reaction, thus you become incongruent with that frame of ''high social value'', if the value was there, you wouldn't care for her, but there is a difference between being mean, being nice, and not caring, not caring is not caring, hating someone is caring just as much as loving someone, if you didn't care you would not want a negative reaction or a person's approval, you simply would not care

if you were genuine in your intentions, you would be screening from your actual standards instead of looking for reactions, and if she happens to get dis-qualified for not meeting a standard, so be it, if it is real it is real, you are just being honest and indifferent to if she is in your life or not, if she wants to try to qualify for you after she doesn't meet a standard, maybe she is worth more of a shot, but your standards are not some ploy for a reaction

it is the difference between, needing it to work with that girl, and seriously being fine either way, completely detached from an outcome

why you are doing what you are doing, reflects in how you are doing it, and it's a big cliche now but... it's not ''what'' you say, but ''how'' you say it

beyond this, if you are interested in keeping girls around, how long can you keep up the role of the coquette?, how great of an actor are you?

can you put on the roll of the fake persona for longer then a few days for a bang?, how will you handle her finding incongruences in what you are projecting from what you are living?

Everything you have written is wrong, all wrong. And, I'm not just saying that. Its from the heart.

1.) The harder you work for something the more you value it. That's true. You can be a King, the ruler of a country and if you're easy women won't value you, although you have value. This is why high value and a challenge are not the same thing. Here's Style explaining the Cat String Theory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcTrIz2vNI

2.) Power is a good thing. The more power the better, but you don't hate me. You hate the fact that you want power too, but have been made to think thats wrong. Be yourself.

3.) Age has a lot to do with managing people. You can't manage someone if you don't have the proper amount of experience to do so. If its for an important job, 35 is a minimal age. Also, if you have an important job...a valuable job you can't sabotage yourboss because someone that wants the job more than you will submit to your boss.

4.) On high pressure jobs, management will get in your ass over trivial mistakes. It don't matter what your studies say; this happens and if you don't know ask somebody.

However, you sound fake. What do I mean by that? How you going to apologize then insult me? That's crazy. You sound like the kind of person that covertly undermines somesone self-esteem. So you might just be a verbal abuser with smile and no one stands up to you because you smile. Man put your peace and love in the garbage can. I dont want it.

5.) I never said I wanted to lower someone's self-esteem. I said I want to play on the fear that a girl may not be able to get me. Then because the girl has high-self-esteem she would try to prove that she can get me.That's why I asked about negs. I wanted to use fear to help me by being a challenge. Its about being a challenge.Its about being chased. I'm not ashamed of this. I will never be ashamed of this. Nothing is wrong with this. In fact, its a goodthing. The girls get a sense of satisfaction when they finally "win you."

6.) I said what you wrote was making me sick because your game sounds female centric. The female sounds like the more dominant person in your relationships.

Im not worried about incongruence because being a challenge reflects mindset change and that changes your behavior. Also, once someone begins thinking of you in a certain way...people don't like to change their opinions. One more thing this has to be a part of your lifestyle; you can't fake disinterest. Because when you are trying to sleep with someone and they resist you will not be able to freeze out if you really aren't disinterested, lol

I suppose talking about what you value is important and can be used to disqualify, but I also know offering your opinion on things can be problematic especially if you say you like something and they strongly dislike it or vice a versa.

This is pyschology on the deepest level. Beneath all the bullshit, ideaology, fantasy, coping mechanisms, excuses there is fear and the desire for pleasure. People want to be different. People want to look down on other people and look up to others, but people are all the same; they have fear and they like pleasure. Fear is stronger than pleasure. Its the human animal and the thing is this. I said you want to make the girl prove herself by negging her. And you make it sound bad to make someone prove themselves, but its not bad its life. Its what motivates people in life this fear. This is why there is the pick up artist community. The PUA community exists because guys wanted t prove that they could pull beautiful women too; it was this pride and this fear, the fear of being less than other men because you couldn't get women, that started it all. The fear of inadequacy is the father of many great things...