Women just have to stand there and look pretty. She can be dumber and more boring than a rock but guys will still line up to get her number.

Well I'm "pretty" too!!! But women want men to have a fun interesting personality on top of it while they can bore us to tears and still get laid.

I'm sick of constantly leading, being alpha, having to think of clever answers to her boring questions, keeping a high energy level, and basically having to become a master seducer just to sleep with women who are my equal in attractiveness.

My attitude is to let women do the chasing, and it works really well! HOWEVER the catch is that it still involves a lot of work on the guys part.

So my question: How do we as men attract women and make them chase us with the least effort possible on our part?

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It just comes with being a man. Look at how much better our lives are than your average woman. I always had this saying that when you're a man, the world is yours for the taking. But when you're a woman, YOU are for the taking. Imagine having to feel nervous about being abducted whenever you see a creepy guy in a parking lot. Or being subjected to uncontrolable emotional swings and bleeding out your rag hole. That's a shitty life. Rejoice in being the man that you are!

As far as how to attract women, just be an alpha and display value on multiple levels. The beauty of that is that being attractive and successful is good for you even without women, so it's something you should be working towards anyways.

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Perhaps I'm trying too hard and that's why I feel it's too much effort. But also hitting on women can be sooo tedious. That's why I'm thinking it would keep it interesting if I could get the girls to break out of the "standard socially acceptable" ways of flirting and gaming that are so boring.

Think about it this way, women will reject a boring guy. Men will still go for a boring girl. And just because of the way the whole system is set up women will bore me to tears

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Well it comes down to what our cultures grooms and shapes women into. There are very few that are the types of people we would ideally like to be with. So we either settle for ugly interesting girls, or hot boring/psycho ones.

I think you're also selling yourself short a bit. Because I'm not even that great looking and I've had girls flirt with me before, and tell me if I didn't have a gf they would "SOOO" date me. And I've heard girls yammer on and on about hot guys they like and seen them overtly flirt with the guys. All the guy would have to do is walk up to them and say "Whats your number?" and then call them and f-close that night. It wouldn't be that hard. But you still have a valid point in that for the most part guys have to do most of the legwork, even to land boring-ass women.

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the same goes for men with a lot of status
not always, you just have to be honest in expressing your intentions and be willing to go first and make yourself vulnerable so she can trust you and form a connection, and when she tests to see if your intentions are true, stay certain of yourself so she knows you are one of those guys she can trust, and it's not just some act you are putting on to impress her
if this is work, then you still haven't found yourself and don't have a clear idea of what you are looking for, you don't have to put on an act for women you don't want, you just have to figure out what you are looking for and find it, and be honest about how you feel about that with certainty
how is being indifferent a lot of work?, if you don't care, then you don't care, if you do care, then you do care
become more comfortable expressing yourself, be more honest about your intentions and how you are feeling, love yourself first, the girls will follow when you start to respect yourself and take care of your life and pursue what you believe in and start going for what you want and being certain of yourself and your intentions

create a life conducive to meeting the women you want in your life, and be comfortable sharing yourself and your lifestyle with them

Thanks for the wake up call pumpington. I guess what I'm looking for is more of a way to tell if she's boring before I waste my time. I've had enough of girls I can just have a physical relationship with, I want her to be interesting too.

I'm very near the point of "complete choice" with women thanks to Gambler and a year of practice. I'll go home with a woman for her looks within the first hour of meeting her and have no idea what she's like. Having complete choice is no good if I keep making the wrong choice.[/quote]

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I totally agree, the 6s and 7s usually have better personalities and the 8s and 9s and boring. The hottest girl I met With a good personality was a 7 and I've become too picky with women to go for that.

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Yea, that makes sense. 7s probably have the best personalities all around. The reason is because on either side of that spectrum, women's personalities will be adversely affected by their looks. For instance, 4s and 5s will have ugly/fat girl complexes, and will usually have bad attitudes as a result. And 9s and 10s will have superiority complexes, thinking they are too good for anyone. Or they'll be extremely fragile and sensitive since their entire existence hinges upon how they look and how people treat them as a result. 7s know they are just average, and they aren't hung up on their looks, nor are they overly self-conscious about their flaws.

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Not to say this is a reason I picked up and learned guitar, but it's amazing how many girls will approach you if they see you playing an instrument (guitar, piano, you get the point.)

Honestly, most guys want a nice rack and a pretty face. Personalities are important to a good majority too, but initially guys are attracted to looks.

However, girls on the other hand, while attracted to good looks are also attracted to men with a talent that separates them. It's sort of like an alpha male thing. If out of a 100 guys, 1 of them has a talent and is doing it well, who is she going to flock to? Be that 1 guy and women will flock to you.

I saw a video where a guy was doing street magic. A girl was walking towards him and he asked if she wanted to see a magic trick. He had her pick a card out of the deck and kiss it. She put the card back in and he said, "In order for me to feel your kiss out of the deck, I need to know what you kiss feels like." And just like that he got a peck from a beautiful girl that probably gets hit on a lot.

Confidence is key, and when you practice something and become good at it, doing in front of women will leave a sexy mysteriousness about you that will literally make their toes curl when they think about you.

Obviously some things are more sexy than others. Juggling, or playing hacky-sack well, while it may get you attention from girls, is not near as sexy as something more romantic.

Girls I don't even know come up to me and say hello just because they saw me playing guitar and singing.

Don't take it for granted though. Try to be nice and personal to anyone that approaches you whether you have an interest in them or not. Word gets around that you are a nice/rude guy.

I think that if you play all your cards right, you can get women to hit on you without much effort. It isn't easy, but I've seen guys do it before.

I think the key is to make yourself clearly desirable. Like so everyone wants you, then play it not to distant when women approach you. It's happened to me before.

What I do if I am in a busy venue and there are a lot of women around is I sometimes play the asshole card, or the ignore card, or the walk away mid sentence card.

But I show 2 different personalities while doing it. If I am going to be a bit of an asshole, I also want a facial expression that means I could possibly be nice or that I could be joking. Ideally, in a club, I'm going to approach and create situations where I can blow the girl off within moments. But, I do it in a way where they don't know if I am serious. Or I might find something in her conversation , roll my eyes like I'm bored and walk off. Like one girl I've been texting I approached, we had a normal conversation, I could tell she was friendly, a little bit full of herself and somewhat interested in me but I knew she was going to walk away in moments and talk to someone else and maybe get back to me later.

What I did was, after I got her name, I said "oh, I dated a girl with that name once. she was not nice, I don't know if we should talk anymore" then I smiled and waived her bye bye. When you do stuff like that a few times, you will get a portion that end up chasing you b/c it's a behavior they have never encountered and they are intrigued by it.

Exactly. Its a huge advantage being the agressor. If you were a woman during Times of turmoil you'll get buttfucked by every invading party. If you're a guy, they will kill you. Id rather get killed than get butt fucked.

Not to mention, being a guy, you see something gorgeous when you are fucking. If you are a girl, you see a hairy sweaty dude with a weird expression on his face. Thats why women are careful with sex, its just a hairline away from feeling like you are having sex with a real man instead of feelig like you let an ugly beast entrance into your sacred cave. With us guys when we get a girl its always awesome we get to defile this cute pretty creature.

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Honestly speaking here, I'm considered slightly above average looking, and for me, the best part is the hunt. Every fun thing there is to do you have to put some effort into. If we didn't have fun overcoming challenges no one would have climbed mt. Everest, no one would have come up with the idea of bass jumping or sky diving, flying a plane, heck, football would be the most boring thing in the world because what drives people to get better at everything is the challenge of either not being good enough, or being overtaken by someone better. I love being shit tested because it forces me to be cunning, or stubborn enough to re-frame all the crap that's thrown at me, and come out on top. The difference between an Alpha and Beta, is the fact that an Alpha wishes to be better, while the Beta just wants things to be easier. It's all about the mentality you come at it with.

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