So I never had much luck on POF, mainly because my profile sucked, but I also think that girls aren't as serious there because they don't have any "skin in the game" so to speak. I've had decent success on pay sites in the past, like match .com. So I'm probably going to join a couple pay sites and start sarging there and develop some online game again. What are your opinions on pay vs. free sites?

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Pay sites will always be better. But why not continue with Ok Cupid or POF while you handle your other stuff offline? Online game is EXTREMELY time consuming and you don't get as high quality women.

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You have to weigh the return on investment--and by that I mean the time and energy you commit to it. If I can get more/better quality chicks on pay sites and thru day gaming, then why waste extra time on getting lesser quality chicks and getting the run around on POF and okcupid? Plus, you're just contributing to the problem by being one of the many dudes on those free sites validating these women who should not be getting validated.

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It doesn't really matter if they are getting validated or not. That's not a healthy way of looking at it. This idea seems more destructive.

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I have had good results on OkCupid. Never more than some sexting on POF. Never tried the pay sites.

The points you need to work on for getting laid online:
- good profile photos
- good profile
- good opener

By the above, I mean this stuff needs to match your personality and be a good screener for the kind of girls you want in your life.

for instance, bare chest photos are not absolutely a no-no, but know you will most probably hit slutty girls who only get turned out by muscles (i.e. if you're not fit, it will fail miserably, not because the idea is wrong per se but because you're talking to an audience to which you have nothing to say)

profile. definitely needs to be funny and mysterious and convey higher value. is it gonna be intriguing, sexual, witty, silly ...? it depends. which of these traits is more you? make a profile that mirrors that. the stuff you put there will also screen for girls. as an example, my profile had a few jokes in it that were definitely sexual, albeit not vulgar or gross. I ended up attracting high-sex drive girls. is that what you want? great!

the opener is key here. girls get bombarded with messages. as has been said countless times, most are boring, trivial, always the same "hi there" fluff. some are outright sexual and gross "suck my dick"-style.

yours needs to stand out. even if it is canned. make something that mirrors the style of your profile. good grammar is a must. if your style is to use fancy words, go for it. if you feel like it, use a canned opener but always add a little phrase that directly relates to her profile (not necessary, but increases response rate). you may want to do that only for girls who seem very interesting.

online is a game of numbers. the picker, the harder. girls who would gladly open their legs for you in real life will reject you as not interesting enough online. know it, and live with it if you're going to do that kind of game. my strategy was to send the same opener to every girl who I thought looked cute. I then filtered those who replied, and progressively screened to the point where I was only dealing with few girls at a time, and dated those.

remember to seal the deal ASAP. and once you're out on the date, escalate.

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Damn, that's some good advice Seagull. I'm taking note of it. Thanks!

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POF is somewhat a paysite unless you are looking for the basic stuff only.


In my experience, both paysites and free sites have a lot of fake profiles. Sometimes paysites may even have more.


If you have the time and money, just join everything. (Although I would spend the money elsewhere)

Yes, spend the money on some nice clothes and get out of the house! Start approaching women who are out during the day or at some cool bars/lounges at night.

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Had a profile on POF forever, and never got past phone/text conversations with girls from POF.

Put up a Match.com profile, and within 1 week I met a HB8 I could F-close with any time I want. We've hung out about 5-6 times in 1 week. (Mostly because we live within 10 minutes of one another and work within 5 minutes of one another.)

So, to answer your question: I have had 10000x more success with Match.com.

Individual results may vary, but my experience with POF has been overall bad. More like "Plenty of Flakes".

Keep in mind, I was using virtually the same pictures, profile, and openers on both sites, aside from minor differences due to the template each site uses.

That said.. For 100 dollars it sure as hell better provide some results.

Why are pay sites better?
I've never joined a paysite but I would've thought there'd be less girls on there than POF and OkCupid when it costs money to join.

Pay sites attract women who are more serious about finding men and dating them and not just flaking after wasting your time with a few pointless private messages. It's because they have to pay a monthly fee and the guys do to, so everyone is more serious about it since money is involved. There's a totally different culture/vibe to pof than there is pay sites. It also weeds out a lot of bad men and women, which just bog down the whole process. You have married guys and old broke dudes on pof messaging literally every woman they can with the same BS copy/paste bullshit. Fake profiles galore and a zoo-like SPAM where women hold all the power and the men have to settle for whatever they can get. But pay sites aren't nearly that bad.

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100 dollars will buy you 3ish? months of exposure on Match.com. Cost me that much to hit the bar 2-3 times.

Great detailed advice, Seagull; thanks!
Can you elaborate on this a little? What did you screen on, and what kind of opener did you use?

Also, did you pay any attention to the "replies frequently" vs "replies very selectively" metric?

Best,
Attrax.

Talking about pay sites, anyone ever tried online game on beautifulpeople.com?

One thing is for sure, the girls there are hotter than in any regular dating websites since everyone has to be rated for a certain amount of time in order to create a profile. Though, these girls are picky and it's way harder to get in than it is for girls.

Personally, I managed to get "accepted" and create a profile, but everything would cost money so I never really tried it out. But I could surely feel my "hot girls detector" sky high compared to any other dating websites.

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Just My Experience:

The majority of paysites have loads and loads of fake profiles. In my individual case, it wouldn't be worth it for me, because I come from a town of 10,000 people and the nearest town is 20 minutes away with 60,000 people.

I've been on Match and barely found anyone close by online. I tried out AdultFriendFinder and my god.. that place is nothing but bots. Bots and fake profiles galore. Sex Search is all bots. I found one real person that I actually knew in real life, too bad I've already hit it and she hates me. (lol)

Seriously, I'll never join a paysite again. They hire people to fill out fake profiles for like .50c a profile or something stupid. They additionally pay people to talk to guys who are brand new to the site as "Free Trials" or "Limited" accounts so they can entice them into giving up their credit card. Once they sign up, that mysterious model you wanted to fuck disappears.

Just my insight. I've tried out quite a few different paid sites and as an internet marketer, I saw their tricks early on. It's an interesting business model though, I'm sure their return on investment is huge.