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THE BACKGROUND:
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So I met this girl through some mutual friends, and we seemed to hit things off really well, rather quickly. Had a great first date, slept together on the second date, went on several more dates and had amazing sex everytime we met up for the better part of two months.

I should let you guys know that I do have some baggage though; I had broken up with my live-in girlfriend of 10 years about a year prior to this, but we made the mistake of buying a house together, and now we are stuck with a mortgage. We still live together, but we're basically like roomates. No sex together whatsoever.

I know of should of told her this from the get go, but I wanted to keep things sort of casual between us, so I didn't share too much information at the beginning. But then we started seeing each other more, and liking each other more, and of course, she kept wondering why she couldn't come over, so I felt the need to tell her.

She wasn't sure how to handle this news at first, which is understandable of course, but we talked about and we decided that we would go ahead and give things a shot. She agreed not to date anyone else, and I agreed to the same thing, but I didn't want to lead her on, and let her know that I'm very cynical about relationships, since I just got out of a decade long one. She said she understood, but that she was looking for a serious relationship. I told her let's take things one day at a time, and she agreed.

Throughout our "relationship", she was good friends with a guy friend of ours, as in they would talk a lot, and hang out together. But since she was supposedly with me, I didn't pay any attention to it. She even pointed out that I should dress more like him, and I told her

"I dress the way I dress because I like it; I don't want to be a carbon copy gap model. And besides, which one of us is sleeping with you?"

She replied

"that doesn't mean I don't check him out".

I told her you can check out guys all you want; it doesn't bother me, I don't get jealous.

(I don't dress like a hobo btw, I just happen to have a lot of retro geeky t-shirts with 80's references that I like. She never got any of the references. Ironically, some of them actually came from the Gap)

She also mentioned to me that I should learn how to drive because she thinks guys who drive are sexy (the other guy drives).

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THE BREAKUP
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Anyway, fast forward to two weeks ago. After a fantastic sex session, we're lying in bed together, and she tells me that my living situation still bothers her. I ask her how much it bothers her, and she says more and more everyday.

Then she asks me again how I felt about relationships. And I told her that I'm not sure if I'm ready. That doesn't mean I won't be ready in the future, but I'm trying to be honest right now, and I don't want to hurt her feelings. She said she understood, and that she's not hurt, but told me that she can't do this anymore. I told her that sucked, but I understand where she's coming from. She told me that at least we can still be friends, since we ended things on a good note. I agreed, and I left.

Up until this point, we used to talk on the phone everyday, but I thought it best if I didn't speak to her after this. But everyday that went by that I didn't hear from her, I started feeling sadder everyday. By the fourth day, I realised that I really did miss her, and I let a good thing go away. So I went into full AFC mode.

I called her, but she was busy having dinner with her friends. She said she would call me back later. But she didn't. So the next day I texted her saying
"I miss you".
And she told me she was sorry she didn't get back to me last night, she just got home really late. We had plans to see a movie with her and some friends of her before our break, and I asked her if I was still invited. She said
"Of course! But if you miss me, I don't think it's a good idea"
I told her I do miss her. A lot. Then she said
" =( I don't think you should come then".
I asked her if there was anyway we could work things out, and she said
"I think this is best for the both of us, before things get too serious and one of us gets hurt. Hope you understand"
I told her:
"I understand completely, but I realise that this week without you has been really terrible. I guess you never realise how much someone means to you until their gone."
She said:
"Cheer up, life is full of ups and downs, but I believe everything happens for a reason"

We sort of left it at that.

Then she sends me a text at 2am a couple of days later saying
"I feel like I've changed for the worse. You're a better person then you think you are, and I'm not as good as a person you think I am."
I was worried about her, so texted her and told her to call me so I could talk to her. As a friend. She didn't call me.

So I went to her apartment the next morning, and buzzed her. I asked her if I could come up, and she says:
"I don't think that's a good idea"
I said:
"I just want to talk; I brought you breakfast =)"
She said can we talk downstairs? I said ok.

So we talked, and I told her I was worried. She said she was fine. I asked her why she thought she was a bad person, and she said:
"I don't think I'm a bad person, I'm just not as good a person as you think I am"
I asked her what she meant by that, and she said she couldn't tell me.

So I tried to make it clear to her that I was intrested in a future with her, and I realise what a fool I'd been. I told her I wanted to work things out with her, because she was different and special to me. She said no. So I said ok, said goodbye, and said this is probably the last time I'm going to see you. She said don't say it like that, I'm sure we'll see each other sometime. I just said take care of yourself and left.

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THE OTHER GUY
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After all of this, I was talking to a another mutual friend of ours. She asked me how me and the girl were doing, and I told her she ended things. She said she was very shocked, because the last time she had spoken with her, things were going well.

I told her what happened, and she said she couldn't believe that she would end things with me instead of trying to work things out. Then she said that she didn't understand her because she says she wants a serious relationship, but leaves herself open for things she clearly has no interests in.

I asked her what she meant, and she told me how the girl had told her that she and the other guy had been spending a lot of time together. This guy has stated that he is only interested in sex, and that he sees no future with her. The girl said that their only friends.

I sat on this information for a bit, and then decided that my best course of action would be to text the other guy, who was supposed to be my friend.

"I just wanted to say good luck to you. I hope things work out for the both of you. No hard feelings"

He said:

"thanks for the text, but there are some things I want to explain to you in person. Can we meet up?'

So I meet up with this guy, and he starts telling me how Sorry he feels, and that he feels like he's wronged me and wrecked our relationship. My first instinct was to punch him in the face, but instead I told him:

"you know what, these things happen. She obviously wasn't happy with me. If she was, then she wouldn't of done what she did. I just want her to be happy, and if she's happy with you, then so be it."

He said it would of been different if he was crazy in love with her and everything, but that wasn't the case. I told him not feel guilty, and just do his best to make her happy. He said I was a better man then he was.

After this, I texted the girl:

"I just wanted you to know you were right; things do happen for a reason. And if you and (other guy) are happy, then that's fine. I'm sorry you felt like you couldn't tell me what was really going on; I would of understood. But obviously I didn't do my best to make you happy, and for that I'm sorry. You are wrong about one thing though; I still think you're an amazing person; don't ever let anyone tell you differently. On the brigt side, I can start wearing my nerdy t-shirts again =)" Best of luck to you and (other guy); I hope you find what you're looking for"

She calls me. I ignore it. Then she sends me a text that says:

"I'm so confused. I don't know where you get me and (other guy) from. There is no me and (other guy). Please call me."

She calls again. I send her a text that says:

"I'm really tired, but talk to (other guy). Because I did."

She calls me a third time, so I pick up and say "what's up?".

She starts trying to deny the whole thing and asks me where I heard this from. I told her I talked to (other guy). And she says nothing happened between me and other guy. So I said why did he tell me he was sorry then? I told her I wasn't mad, but she shouldn't lie to me. She said she was sorry. But nothing happened between me and (other guy) until after we broke up. I said what difference does it make? she said she didn't want me to think of her that way, or that's the reason why we broke up.

I said yeah, but it's been less then a week. You should of told me what was going on; I would of understood. SHe said she wanted to tell me. I asked her why didn't she? She said she didn't know, but that's not the reason why we broke up. Do you want to know why we didn't work out?"

I told her "You liked (other guy) the entire time." She said no. And the I told her I'm not stupid. You kept telling me to dress like him, and how sexy it would be for me to drive a car, and how you check him out"

She said "so you knew? why didn't you say anything" I said what was I supposed to say?" She was silent. I said "I wish you two could of figured out you liked each other before I met you. Then she said:
"I didn't know I had feelings for (other guy). I'm so messed up".
I told her she wasn't. Then I said:
"now you know why I'm so cynical about relationships."
She said:
"you shouldn't be; you just need to find the right girl."
I told her:
"I thought you were the right girl, and that didn't really work out. Look I just want you to be happy. Obviously you weren't happy with me, so good luck to you and (other guy), I hope you guys work things out and I hope you find what you're looking for."

She thanked me for being so understanding. I said you don't have to thank me. Just be happy. She said I was really was a good guy.

I said thank you, but that we should stop all communication after this; it's best for all involved. She said ok, so I said take care of yourself. She said you too, and I said bye.

There are two reasons I'm posting this.

One. I want to know if I handled this situation properly, and if there is anything I could of done better, or something I shouldn't of done. Even her friends tell her she made a mistake, and that I'm way better for her then the other guy, but I would never tell her this; that's something she needs to figure out herself.

Two. I'm going NO CONTACT, but I want to know if she would ever contact me in the future and say she made a mistake and would want to work things out, based on the information I've given here. I'm not saying that I would want to work things out at that point, but I was just curious, because there are times I miss her so much, it's almost unbearable.

It's day 7 of NO CONTACT. Not a word.


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I think excluding the AFC moment you handled it pretty well. If I were you I would not have drawn a line in the sand so much saying things like Lets not have contact with each other. Its going to make it a lot harder for to call you because she will probably stick to what yall both agreed on. Awesome thing is its a great time to get back in the gym, do some things for you, and sarge some good looking ladies. There are so many great girls and great opportunities, dont let one girl occupy your mind, and if you do use it as a catalyst for pursuing other things. Good luck!

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THE BREAKUP
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Anyway, fast forward to two weeks ago. After a fantastic sex session, we're lying in bed together, and she tells me that my living situation still bothers her. I ask her how much it bothers her, and she says more and more everyday.

Then she asks me again how I felt about relationships. And I told her that I'm not sure if I'm ready. That doesn't mean I won't be ready in the future, but I'm trying to be honest right now, and I don't want to hurt her feelings. She said she understood, and that she's not hurt, but told me that she can't do this anymore. I told her that sucked, but I understand where she's coming from. She told me that at least we can still be friends, since we ended things on a good note. I agreed, and I left.

Up until this point, we used to talk on the phone everyday, but I thought it best if I didn't speak to her after this. But everyday that went by that I didn't hear from her, I started feeling sadder everyday. By the fourth day, I realised that I really did miss her, and I let a good thing go away. So I went into full AFC mode.
I stopped reading right here. Did you handle this well? No. It sounds like you broke up because you both wanted different things out of the relationship. She wanted more than you were willing to give at the moment. This is how adults handle this kind of thing. Afterwards, you should have treated her like a good friend and invited her out to do friend things (preferably with your active, fun social group). Then, after she got bored of the next guy, she would have gone back to you for great, no-strings-attached sex. If you wanted a second chance at a relationship with her, then that would have been the time to do it.

However, it sounds like you've pretty much ruined any chance of that happening. You got all needy and oneitus-y when she stopped treating you like her boyfriend, which is how AFC's and inexperienced teenagers handle this kind of situation. By breaking up and then changing your mind, you acknowledge that that you don't know what you want, which then tells her that you aren't up to leading a relationship.

Now, go date more women and learn from this mistake.

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I am in awe of your level headedness and calm attitude.

I can't offer any advice and to be honest, I think you handled it great.

A lot of guys would have got a lot more AFC than you.

Good luck man, you handle it great.

Now go game and enjoy yourself.


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THE BACKGROUND:
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So I met this girl through some mutual friends, and we seemed to hit things off really well, rather quickly. Had a great first date, slept together on the second date, went on several more dates and had amazing sex everytime we met up for the better part of two months.

I should let you guys know that I do have some baggage though; I had broken up with my live-in girlfriend of 10 years about a year prior to this, but we made the mistake of buying a house together, and now we are stuck with a mortgage. We still live together, but we're basically like roomates. No sex together whatsoever.

I know of should of told her this from the get go, but I wanted to keep things sort of casual between us, so I didn't share too much information at the beginning. But then we started seeing each other more, and liking each other more, and of course, she kept wondering why she couldn't come over, so I felt the need to tell her.

She wasn't sure how to handle this news at first, which is understandable of course, but we talked about and we decided that we would go ahead and give things a shot. She agreed not to date anyone else, and I agreed to the same thing, but I didn't want to lead her on, and let her know that I'm very cynical about relationships, since I just got out of a decade long one. She said she understood, but that she was looking for a serious relationship. I told her let's take things one day at a time, and she agreed.

Throughout our "relationship", she was good friends with a guy friend of ours, as in they would talk a lot, and hang out together. But since she was supposedly with me, I didn't pay any attention to it. She even pointed out that I should dress more like him, and I told her

"I dress the way I dress because I like it; I don't want to be a carbon copy gap model. And besides, which one of us is sleeping with you?"

She replied

"that doesn't mean I don't check him out".

I told her you can check out guys all you want; it doesn't bother me, I don't get jealous.

(I don't dress like a hobo btw, I just happen to have a lot of retro geeky t-shirts with 80's references that I like. She never got any of the references. Ironically, some of them actually came from the Gap)

She also mentioned to me that I should learn how to drive because she thinks guys who drive are sexy (the other guy drives).

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THE BREAKUP
-----

Anyway, fast forward to two weeks ago. After a fantastic sex session, we're lying in bed together, and she tells me that my living situation still bothers her. I ask her how much it bothers her, and she says more and more everyday.

Then she asks me again how I felt about relationships. And I told her that I'm not sure if I'm ready. That doesn't mean I won't be ready in the future, but I'm trying to be honest right now, and I don't want to hurt her feelings. She said she understood, and that she's not hurt, but told me that she can't do this anymore. I told her that sucked, but I understand where she's coming from. She told me that at least we can still be friends, since we ended things on a good note. I agreed, and I left.

Up until this point, we used to talk on the phone everyday, but I thought it best if I didn't speak to her after this. But everyday that went by that I didn't hear from her, I started feeling sadder everyday. By the fourth day, I realised that I really did miss her, and I let a good thing go away. So I went into full AFC mode.

I called her, but she was busy having dinner with her friends. She said she would call me back later. But she didn't. So the next day I texted her saying
"I miss you".
And she told me she was sorry she didn't get back to me last night, she just got home really late. We had plans to see a movie with her and some friends of her before our break, and I asked her if I was still invited. She said
"Of course! But if you miss me, I don't think it's a good idea"
I told her I do miss her. A lot. Then she said
" =( I don't think you should come then".
I asked her if there was anyway we could work things out, and she said
"I think this is best for the both of us, before things get too serious and one of us gets hurt. Hope you understand"
I told her:
"I understand completely, but I realise that this week without you has been really terrible. I guess you never realise how much someone means to you until their gone."
She said:
"Cheer up, life is full of ups and downs, but I believe everything happens for a reason"

We sort of left it at that.

Then she sends me a text at 2am a couple of days later saying
"I feel like I've changed for the worse. You're a better person then you think you are, and I'm not as good as a person you think I am."
I was worried about her, so texted her and told her to call me so I could talk to her. As a friend. She didn't call me.

So I went to her apartment the next morning, and buzzed her. I asked her if I could come up, and she says:
"I don't think that's a good idea"
I said:
"I just want to talk; I brought you breakfast =)"
She said can we talk downstairs? I said ok.

So we talked, and I told her I was worried. She said she was fine. I asked her why she thought she was a bad person, and she said:
"I don't think I'm a bad person, I'm just not as good a person as you think I am"
I asked her what she meant by that, and she said she couldn't tell me.

So I tried to make it clear to her that I was intrested in a future with her, and I realise what a fool I'd been. I told her I wanted to work things out with her, because she was different and special to me. She said no. So I said ok, said goodbye, and said this is probably the last time I'm going to see you. She said don't say it like that, I'm sure we'll see each other sometime. I just said take care of yourself and left.

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THE OTHER GUY
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After all of this, I was talking to a another mutual friend of ours. She asked me how me and the girl were doing, and I told her she ended things. She said she was very shocked, because the last time she had spoken with her, things were going well.

I told her what happened, and she said she couldn't believe that she would end things with me instead of trying to work things out. Then she said that she didn't understand her because she says she wants a serious relationship, but leaves herself open for things she clearly has no interests in.

I asked her what she meant, and she told me how the girl had told her that she and the other guy had been spending a lot of time together. This guy has stated that he is only interested in sex, and that he sees no future with her. The girl said that their only friends.

I sat on this information for a bit, and then decided that my best course of action would be to text the other guy, who was supposed to be my friend.

"I just wanted to say good luck to you. I hope things work out for the both of you. No hard feelings"

He said:

"thanks for the text, but there are some things I want to explain to you in person. Can we meet up?'

So I meet up with this guy, and he starts telling me how Sorry he feels, and that he feels like he's wronged me and wrecked our relationship. My first instinct was to punch him in the face, but instead I told him:

"you know what, these things happen. She obviously wasn't happy with me. If she was, then she wouldn't of done what she did. I just want her to be happy, and if she's happy with you, then so be it."

He said it would of been different if he was crazy in love with her and everything, but that wasn't the case. I told him not feel guilty, and just do his best to make her happy. He said I was a better man then he was.

After this, I texted the girl:

"I just wanted you to know you were right; things do happen for a reason. And if you and (other guy) are happy, then that's fine. I'm sorry you felt like you couldn't tell me what was really going on; I would of understood. But obviously I didn't do my best to make you happy, and for that I'm sorry. You are wrong about one thing though; I still think you're an amazing person; don't ever let anyone tell you differently. On the brigt side, I can start wearing my nerdy t-shirts again =)" Best of luck to you and (other guy); I hope you find what you're looking for"

She calls me. I ignore it. Then she sends me a text that says:

"I'm so confused. I don't know where you get me and (other guy) from. There is no me and (other guy). Please call me."

She calls again. I send her a text that says:

"I'm really tired, but talk to (other guy). Because I did."

She calls me a third time, so I pick up and say "what's up?".

She starts trying to deny the whole thing and asks me where I heard this from. I told her I talked to (other guy). And she says nothing happened between me and other guy. So I said why did he tell me he was sorry then? I told her I wasn't mad, but she shouldn't lie to me. She said she was sorry. But nothing happened between me and (other guy) until after we broke up. I said what difference does it make? she said she didn't want me to think of her that way, or that's the reason why we broke up.

I said yeah, but it's been less then a week. You should of told me what was going on; I would of understood. SHe said she wanted to tell me. I asked her why didn't she? She said she didn't know, but that's not the reason why we broke up. Do you want to know why we didn't work out?"

I told her "You liked (other guy) the entire time." She said no. And the I told her I'm not stupid. You kept telling me to dress like him, and how sexy it would be for me to drive a car, and how you check him out"

She said "so you knew? why didn't you say anything" I said what was I supposed to say?" She was silent. I said "I wish you two could of figured out you liked each other before I met you. Then she said:
"I didn't know I had feelings for (other guy). I'm so messed up".
I told her she wasn't. Then I said:
"now you know why I'm so cynical about relationships."
She said:
"you shouldn't be; you just need to find the right girl."
I told her:
"I thought you were the right girl, and that didn't really work out. Look I just want you to be happy. Obviously you weren't happy with me, so good luck to you and (other guy), I hope you guys work things out and I hope you find what you're looking for."

She thanked me for being so understanding. I said you don't have to thank me. Just be happy. She said I was really was a good guy.

I said thank you, but that we should stop all communication after this; it's best for all involved. She said ok, so I said take care of yourself. She said you too, and I said bye.

There are two reasons I'm posting this.

One. I want to know if I handled this situation properly, and if there is anything I could of done better, or something I shouldn't of done. Even her friends tell her she made a mistake, and that I'm way better for her then the other guy, but I would never tell her this; that's something she needs to figure out herself.

Two. I'm going NO CONTACT, but I want to know if she would ever contact me in the future and say she made a mistake and would want to work things out, based on the information I've given here. I'm not saying that I would want to work things out at that point, but I was just curious, because there are times I miss her so much, it's almost unbearable.

It's day 4 of NO CONTACT. Not a word.
You handled it well, (the break up part) considering!

It was one of the not so rare ones that could have gone all dramatics!

I feel you Bro! BUT stick to your guns! stay on the no contact!

Move on, find a FB for now!!

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I'm with Wolf on this one.

Could have been handled better. You sound like a heartbroken little kid in the post, and the text seems to back that up.

Take Wolf's advice, learn from this, and apply what you've learned to future relationships.


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definitely a learning experience for you and others who read it and not been thru that before.

i believe it also shows the true nature of how women operate. saying/wanting something and going for something else. dont be so sure that if you had told her "yes im looking for something serious too, lets do that" that things would of worked out.

my feeling is that she was into the other guy the day she met him, and had to make a choice, him or you. she figured since its still early on, she might as well go for what her biological need is telling her to.

for that exact reason, you shouldnt dwell on this girl for too long. cuz, she actually wasnt as into you as you might think. and why would you like such a girl? or want such a girl?

at least you banged her multiple times. that should be the sticking point for you.
also the fact that you had this very long term relationship prior to this, bro you need like 2 or 3 years of the SINGLE life, where you just bang to your hearts content and let chicks fall in love with you with NO INTENTION whatsoever of getting serious with any of them


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Then she asks me again how I felt about relationships. And I told her that I'm not sure if I'm ready. That doesn't mean I won't be ready in the future, but I'm trying to be honest right now, and I don't want to hurt her feelings. She said she understood, and that she's not hurt, but told me that she can't do this anymore. I told her that sucked, but I understand where she's coming from. She told me that at least we can still be friends, since we ended things on a good note. I agreed, and I left.
That should have been the end to this post. She wanted option a, you wanted option b, things didn't work out, you broke up. That was the right choice, even though it hurts. As an aside, many women rebound almost right away when they get out of a relationship. Accept that idea, and break ups will be a lot easier for you to handle if and when it happens in the future.


I think the other posters here are applauding you for these following words that you apparently repeated ad naseum:
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"you know what, these things happen. She obviously wasn't happy with me. If she was, then she wouldn't of done what she did. I just want her to be happy, and if she's happy with you, then so be it."
Problem is, you don't really mean them. You're saying them because you believe that is the best thing to say. Well... if you're ever put in a situation where you have to face this issue without the option to turn away, that probably IS the right thing to say. This is different, though, because you put yourself in the situation. You could have just let it be and went about your own business. Instead, what you did was get in their business, make them "come clean" by being a detective about their personal life, and then recite those words above to each of them so you felt like a bigger person. You set yourself up to look good, when in reality you just wasted a bunch of time better spent talking to other women/playing video games/whatever rocks your socks.

Next time, just let it go. You'll feel better about it later if you do, I promise.

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Thanks for your responses and support guys.

Keep_Living: I felt the need to say we shouldn't have any contact anymore, because I didn't want her to think I'm just gonna stick around and wait until she is done boning this guy. I sort of feel like that the only option I have now is give her the gift of missing me. Whether that works or not remains to be seen, and whether I would still care at that point in time is another question unto itself.

Wolfwoodd: I kinda see where you are coming from. I just figured that once I realised how much she really meant to me, I sort of owed it to her to at least tell her, so she could make an informed decision, and not think I'm some asshole who didn't care about her. However, I suppose by doing so, I let HER define the relationship and gave her all the power at that point. But I'd like to think I at least redeemed myself somewhat in the aftermath of everything.

PUAzilla: Thank you. I wish I didn't go AFC at all, but at the time, I thought it was the right thing to do. Stupid brain.

JuanAntonioB: My hope is to, at the very least, learn and grow from this, and I take solace in the fact that others might be able to as well. I know that maybe this girl isn't the right one for me, but I'm not going to say that there isn't a slim chance that I would take her back. It would depend on wheter or not we could talk things out, and work out our problems. Slim chance, but not no chance. Not yet, anyway.

Wal: Regardless if I meant those words or not (and I do; there's no point in her being with me if she's not happy. And if she wasn't happy, anybody could of seduced her at that point) don't we, as PUAs, say stuff we believe is the best thing to say all the time? Otherwise we'd all be saying AFC stuff, because that is what I want to say most of the time, lol.
But I needed to get things out in the open, because I have to see this guy on a somewhat regular basis, since we're in the same social circle. I know technically it's no longer my business, but it didn't sit right with me that he had something over me. The alternative would of been to fill a laundry bag full of bricks and bash him in the head with it.
And to be perfectly honest, all that "detective work" was done in the span of one day, so it really didn't take that much time. And I'd rather look good then look like a chump.

more feedback/criticism is welcome.

I really do wonder if she'll break no contact and try to work things out. I know it shouldn't matter, because hopefully I'll be over her when she does, but I would like to at least have that option. Right now my mind is going through waves of "I miss her so much" and "fuck that bitch, she ain't worth it". She'd have to catch me during a wave of I miss her.


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Fair enough, I appreciate how you take criticism. I guess this sums it up:

Your break-up experience has been a common one. The two of you wanted different things, and at least one of you managed to move on in a timely manner. You (afcnyc2) felt that, after a break-up, you temporarily feel terrible (which is only natural). When you asked for her back, and she said "no" the second time, that would have been the best time to let it go.

Your friend doesn't have anything over you - your ex was fair game. What she did, rebounding to a friend of yours, was not in anyone's best interest and was a bad move on her part. Also, your friend might have made wiser choices, but neither did anything inherently wrong.

Now go out and get another girl!

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You handled it well, but next time don't apologize for not making her happy, you have no reason to say sorry? she should be the one apologize to you for leading you on.

Say something like "Im sorry you feel that way, its to bad you and I had a good thing going and I am disappointed, and kind of turned off that you led me on. I understand, you can't help the way you feel, No hard feelings there are plently of fish in the sea, I wish you and ____ the best of luck"

You came off sort of needy...but it was still a pretty good exit! much much better then how most guys would handle things! No need to be angry just learn from this and move on.


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THE BACKGROUND:
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So I met this girl through some mutual friends, and we seemed to hit things off really well, rather quickly. Had a great first date, slept together on the second date, went on several more dates and had amazing sex everytime we met up for the better part of two months.

I should let you guys know that I do have some baggage though; I had broken up with my live-in girlfriend of 10 years about a year prior to this, but we made the mistake of buying a house together, and now we are stuck with a mortgage. We still live together, but we're basically like roomates. No sex together whatsoever.

I know of should of told her this from the get go, but I wanted to keep things sort of casual between us, so I didn't share too much information at the beginning. But then we started seeing each other more, and liking each other more, and of course, she kept wondering why she couldn't come over, so I felt the need to tell her.

She wasn't sure how to handle this news at first, which is understandable of course, but we talked about and we decided that we would go ahead and give things a shot. She agreed not to date anyone else, and I agreed to the same thing, but I didn't want to lead her on, and let her know that I'm very cynical about relationships, since I just got out of a decade long one. She said she understood, but that she was looking for a serious relationship. I told her let's take things one day at a time, and she agreed.

Throughout our "relationship", she was good friends with a guy friend of ours, as in they would talk a lot, and hang out together. But since she was supposedly with me, I didn't pay any attention to it. She even pointed out that I should dress more like him, and I told her

"I dress the way I dress because I like it; I don't want to be a carbon copy gap model. And besides, which one of us is sleeping with you?"

She replied

"that doesn't mean I don't check him out".

I told her you can check out guys all you want; it doesn't bother me, I don't get jealous.

(I don't dress like a hobo btw, I just happen to have a lot of retro geeky t-shirts with 80's references that I like. She never got any of the references. Ironically, some of them actually came from the Gap)

She also mentioned to me that I should learn how to drive because she thinks guys who drive are sexy (the other guy drives).

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THE BREAKUP
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Anyway, fast forward to two weeks ago. After a fantastic sex session, we're lying in bed together, and she tells me that my living situation still bothers her. I ask her how much it bothers her, and she says more and more everyday.

Then she asks me again how I felt about relationships. And I told her that I'm not sure if I'm ready. That doesn't mean I won't be ready in the future, but I'm trying to be honest right now, and I don't want to hurt her feelings. She said she understood, and that she's not hurt, but told me that she can't do this anymore. I told her that sucked, but I understand where she's coming from. She told me that at least we can still be friends, since we ended things on a good note. I agreed, and I left.

Up until this point, we used to talk on the phone everyday, but I thought it best if I didn't speak to her after this. But everyday that went by that I didn't hear from her, I started feeling sadder everyday. By the fourth day, I realised that I really did miss her, and I let a good thing go away. So I went into full AFC mode.

I called her, but she was busy having dinner with her friends. She said she would call me back later. But she didn't. So the next day I texted her saying
"I miss you".
And she told me she was sorry she didn't get back to me last night, she just got home really late. We had plans to see a movie with her and some friends of her before our break, and I asked her if I was still invited. She said
"Of course! But if you miss me, I don't think it's a good idea"
I told her I do miss her. A lot. Then she said
" =( I don't think you should come then".
I asked her if there was anyway we could work things out, and she said
"I think this is best for the both of us, before things get too serious and one of us gets hurt. Hope you understand"
I told her:
"I understand completely, but I realise that this week without you has been really terrible. I guess you never realise how much someone means to you until their gone."
She said:
"Cheer up, life is full of ups and downs, but I believe everything happens for a reason"

We sort of left it at that.

Then she sends me a text at 2am a couple of days later saying
"I feel like I've changed for the worse. You're a better person then you think you are, and I'm not as good as a person you think I am."
I was worried about her, so texted her and told her to call me so I could talk to her. As a friend. She didn't call me.

So I went to her apartment the next morning, and buzzed her. I asked her if I could come up, and she says:
"I don't think that's a good idea"
I said:
"I just want to talk; I brought you breakfast =)"
She said can we talk downstairs? I said ok.

So we talked, and I told her I was worried. She said she was fine. I asked her why she thought she was a bad person, and she said:
"I don't think I'm a bad person, I'm just not as good a person as you think I am"
I asked her what she meant by that, and she said she couldn't tell me.

So I tried to make it clear to her that I was intrested in a future with her, and I realise what a fool I'd been. I told her I wanted to work things out with her, because she was different and special to me. She said no. So I said ok, said goodbye, and said this is probably the last time I'm going to see you. She said don't say it like that, I'm sure we'll see each other sometime. I just said take care of yourself and left.

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THE OTHER GUY
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After all of this, I was talking to a another mutual friend of ours. She asked me how me and the girl were doing, and I told her she ended things. She said she was very shocked, because the last time she had spoken with her, things were going well.

I told her what happened, and she said she couldn't believe that she would end things with me instead of trying to work things out. Then she said that she didn't understand her because she says she wants a serious relationship, but leaves herself open for things she clearly has no interests in.

I asked her what she meant, and she told me how the girl had told her that she and the other guy had been spending a lot of time together. This guy has stated that he is only interested in sex, and that he sees no future with her. The girl said that their only friends.

I sat on this information for a bit, and then decided that my best course of action would be to text the other guy, who was supposed to be my friend.

"I just wanted to say good luck to you. I hope things work out for the both of you. No hard feelings"

He said:

"thanks for the text, but there are some things I want to explain to you in person. Can we meet up?'

So I meet up with this guy, and he starts telling me how Sorry he feels, and that he feels like he's wronged me and wrecked our relationship. My first instinct was to punch him in the face, but instead I told him:

"you know what, these things happen. She obviously wasn't happy with me. If she was, then she wouldn't of done what she did. I just want her to be happy, and if she's happy with you, then so be it."

He said it would of been different if he was crazy in love with her and everything, but that wasn't the case. I told him not feel guilty, and just do his best to make her happy. He said I was a better man then he was.

After this, I texted the girl:

"I just wanted you to know you were right; things do happen for a reason. And if you and (other guy) are happy, then that's fine. I'm sorry you felt like you couldn't tell me what was really going on; I would of understood. But obviously I didn't do my best to make you happy, and for that I'm sorry. You are wrong about one thing though; I still think you're an amazing person; don't ever let anyone tell you differently. On the brigt side, I can start wearing my nerdy t-shirts again =)" Best of luck to you and (other guy); I hope you find what you're looking for"

She calls me. I ignore it. Then she sends me a text that says:

"I'm so confused. I don't know where you get me and (other guy) from. There is no me and (other guy). Please call me."

She calls again. I send her a text that says:

"I'm really tired, but talk to (other guy). Because I did."

She calls me a third time, so I pick up and say "what's up?".

She starts trying to deny the whole thing and asks me where I heard this from. I told her I talked to (other guy). And she says nothing happened between me and other guy. So I said why did he tell me he was sorry then? I told her I wasn't mad, but she shouldn't lie to me. She said she was sorry. But nothing happened between me and (other guy) until after we broke up. I said what difference does it make? she said she didn't want me to think of her that way, or that's the reason why we broke up.

I said yeah, but it's been less then a week. You should of told me what was going on; I would of understood. SHe said she wanted to tell me. I asked her why didn't she? She said she didn't know, but that's not the reason why we broke up. Do you want to know why we didn't work out?"

I told her "You liked (other guy) the entire time." She said no. And the I told her I'm not stupid. You kept telling me to dress like him, and how sexy it would be for me to drive a car, and how you check him out"

She said "so you knew? why didn't you say anything" I said what was I supposed to say?" She was silent. I said "I wish you two could of figured out you liked each other before I met you. Then she said:
"I didn't know I had feelings for (other guy). I'm so messed up".
I told her she wasn't. Then I said:
"now you know why I'm so cynical about relationships."
She said:
"you shouldn't be; you just need to find the right girl."
I told her:
"I thought you were the right girl, and that didn't really work out. Look I just want you to be happy. Obviously you weren't happy with me, so good luck to you and (other guy), I hope you guys work things out and I hope you find what you're looking for."

She thanked me for being so understanding. I said you don't have to thank me. Just be happy. She said I was really was a good guy.

I said thank you, but that we should stop all communication after this; it's best for all involved. She said ok, so I said take care of yourself. She said you too, and I said bye.

There are two reasons I'm posting this.

One. I want to know if I handled this situation properly, and if there is anything I could of done better, or something I shouldn't of done. Even her friends tell her she made a mistake, and that I'm way better for her then the other guy, but I would never tell her this; that's something she needs to figure out herself.

Two. I'm going NO CONTACT, but I want to know if she would ever contact me in the future and say she made a mistake and would want to work things out, based on the information I've given here. I'm not saying that I would want to work things out at that point, but I was just curious, because there are times I miss her so much, it's almost unbearable.

It's day 7 of NO CONTACT. Not a word.
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I broke down today and texted her. I told her how much I missed her, asked if she was still seeing the other guy, and begged for her to give me a second chance.

Just kidding; it's actually day 15 of no contact. However, I am starting to feel the urge to break no contact and see how she's doing. Please talk me out of it guys.


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I broke down today and texted her. I told her how much I missed her, asked if she was still seeing the other guy, and begged for her to give me a second chance.

Just kidding; it's actually day 15 of no contact. However, I am starting to feel the urge to break no contact and see how she's doing. Please talk me out of it guys.
I get the vibe you REALLY wanted to do this, JUST DON'T DO IT!

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