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I've realized recently I'm basically a misogynist and a male chauvinistt pig. I've just been fucked over by too many bad women for too long, too many times. This likely will never change. But I'm still a straight guy who craves female attention and sex, so I can't just let it all hang out and show my true colors, or I'll get nowhere with women.

To me, all this pickup stuff is just an act. Even natural is an act if your not naturally that way, which most of us aren't. In time, and with practice, you become so smooth that it seems natural, just like a convincing actor's performance. I'm willing to call that out at face value, and admit to it, because I don't feel like I have many other options at this point. Being "me" hasn't got me very far with women, and being the pua version of me is only slightly better. But I feel like if I perfected the pua version of me then I could be pretty decent in time.
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I've realized recently I'm basically a misogynist and a male chauvinistt pig. I've just been fucked over by too many bad women for too long, too many times. This likely will never change. But I'm still a straight guy who craves female attention and sex, so I can't just let it all hang out and show my true colors, or I'll get nowhere with women.

To me, all this pickup stuff is just an act. Even natural is an act if your not naturally that way, which most of us aren't. In time, and with practice, you become so smooth that it seems natural, just like a convincing actor's performance. I'm willing to call that out at face value, and admit to it, because I don't feel like I have many other options at this point. Being "me" hasn't got me very far with women, and being the pua version of me is only slightly better. But I feel like if I perfected the pua version of me then I could be pretty decent in time.
I feel that being myself, IS way easy! This is not an act at all. It is just who I am.

I am comfortable saying what the hell ever I want to say to (most) anyone!

Friends (lovingly) refer to me as being born without a "Filter"!

Perhaps it is a birth defect LMAO

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Sorry guys i posted in the wrong post here is from my book on "nice guy" and why i believe it does not work
Case Study: “nice guys”

From the web’s heartless bitches international: Why “Nice Guys” are often such losers

You hear it all the time: “He was such a nice guy, and she’s such a heartless bitch for dumping him.”
I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys complaining that women must want tobe treated like shit, because they, the “Nice Guy,” have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that “Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea.”
If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is you. Think about it.
What’s wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simple pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.
Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are “users” -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home in on “Nice Guys,” stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It’s no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when so often the kind of woman who gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life.
Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find “Nice Guys” to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure.
Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a “let’s get together for coffee” date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come on too strong, too hard, and too fast, or they are so shy and unassertive that they hang around pretending to be “friends” in the hope that somehow, some way, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a date.
They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off them.
They cling to her, and want to be “one” with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy because he believes that if she learns about the real person inside, she will no longer love him.
Nice Guys are always asking her to make the decisions. They think it’s being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one.
Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need, and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of compromising and negotiating, they repeatedly give in. When she doesn’t appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, “Everything I did, I did for her,” as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn’t want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.
Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that “no one will ever love her as much as I do.” Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: “You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I’m here.”
The nice guy needs to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue. But love isn’t mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is “Who would want to go out with someone who was inherently unlovable anyway?”
More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy needs her. “She is my Life, my only source of happiness...” Yech! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That she has to be responsible for your happiness? Get a grip!
Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after “hard luck” cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are “helpers.” A Nice Guy thinks that by “helping” this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.
This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don’t like themselves. Is it any wonder women don’t like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for “love.”
Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN’T SEXY. IT’S A TURNOFF.
You don’t have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.

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In my experience the nice guy approach and second date gets you no where.

This is something 60 years of challenge talks about, but the basic idea is: forget about being nice/ the bad boy/ douchebag/ cocky and funny; and start being SEXUAL.

You are not there to give her an excuse to leave you, neither to be the perfect boyfriend; you are probably there to fuck her.

And so you should aim for that, now on being sexual I have no experience, actually have a lot of trouble sending that sex vibe so many puas talk about.

But I do believe that`s the proper way to go.

It`s the one thing you should keep in mind constantly, the rest is what other guys already told you: timing is everything. There is a time to be nice, there is a time to be a jerk. All comes down to be a man at the end of the day.


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In my experience the nice guy approach and second date gets you no where.

This is something 60 years of challenge talks about, but the basic idea is: forget about being nice/ the bad boy/ douchebag/ cocky and funny; and start being SEXUAL.

You are not there to give her an excuse to leave you, neither to be the perfect boyfriend; you are probably there to fuck her.

And so you should aim for that, now on being sexual I have no experience, actually have a lot of trouble sending that sex vibe so many puas talk about.

But I do believe that`s the proper way to go.

It`s the one thing you should keep in mind constantly, the rest is what other guys already told you: timing is everything. There is a time to be nice, there is a time to be a jerk. All comes down to be a man at the end of the day.
^ that! good! you do not have to be a jerk though! you just got a put boundaries and stand your ground.

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I've had a few interactions now and found out the women responded favorably to being told they are pretty, and they blew me off when I started to get cocky and neg them. Even just sarcastic/joking comments seemed to get taken the wrong way. I'm not saying to kiss her butt like an AFC, but just be extremely nice to her so that she'll call her girlfriend and tell her "So and so is REALLY nice to me..." Because otherwise she's going to say "Men are such asses..."
I agree but I think it is all in how you say it. If you say it with confidence and not out of neediness compliments work.


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I just talked to a female friend about this. She's married, so I only took it with a grain of salt. And I've noticed women will give men advice which is usually the opposite of what will help you. However, she said being nice will get you further. Then she said that you can be nice by getting her a flower ocassionally, but be sure not to come across as clingy or needy, which I already knew.

Here's the problem with being a sarcastic jerk or being overtly sexual. If you are still trying to build rapport and trust with the woman, that stuff will just give her reasons to not like you. Only sluts want to hear guys getting all sexual, but the nice girls aren't going to be impressed by that topic of conversation, at least not at first.

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Only sluts want to hear guys getting all sexual, but the nice girls aren't going to be impressed by that topic of conversation, at least not at first.
Bullshit! ALL women are sexual! Even your Grandmother, How do you think you got here a space ship?

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I just talked to a female friend about this. She's married, so I only took it with a grain of salt. And I've noticed women will give men advice which is usually the opposite of what will help you. However, she said being nice will get you further. Then she said that you can be nice by getting her a flower ocassionally, but be sure not to come across as clingy or needy, which I already knew.

Here's the problem with being a sarcastic jerk or being overtly sexual. If you are still trying to build rapport and trust with the woman, that stuff will just give her reasons to not like you. Only sluts want to hear guys getting all sexual, but the nice girls aren't going to be impressed by that topic of conversation, at least not at first.

Do not listen to women advise, unless she is a hard core lesbian, women do not pick up and fuck other women on a constant basis..

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I just talked to a female friend about this. She's married, so I only took it with a grain of salt. And I've noticed women will give men advice which is usually the opposite of what will help you. However, she said being nice will get you further. Then she said that you can be nice by getting her a flower ocassionally, but be sure not to come across as clingy or needy, which I already knew.

Here's the problem with being a sarcastic jerk or being overtly sexual. If you are still trying to build rapport and trust with the woman, that stuff will just give her reasons to not like you. Only sluts want to hear guys getting all sexual, but the nice girls aren't going to be impressed by that topic of conversation, at least not at first.

Do not listen to women advise, unless she is a hard core lesbian, women do not pick up and fuck other women on a constant basis..
Agree completely, good answer Skills

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Its like getting insightful advice about your enemy FROM your enemy. But would you expect your ENEMY to give you good advice??? Of course not!

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Either some of you have never been in a long term relationship before... or you just don't understand women. :)

Girls do like nice guys. The problem is that most nice guys do 2 things wrong.

1. They get their timing wrong.

2. They're not assertive.

For girls, being nice = being romantic. Going out of your way to do something special for her. When a nice guy brings flowers to a girl on the first date, he had good intentions but wrong timing. Flowers are for the 10th date!

It's like what Tony Robbins says, "If you do the right thing at the wrong time, you get pain. So you better make sure you do the right thing at the right time!"

Many nice guys are also extremely unassertive. They don't go after what they want.

Being an asshole can be attractive because you come across as assertive. But the charade will only last for so long. Eventually the relationship will fail because no one really likes an asshole..

I know this because I've been that asshole and the relationship didn't last long! :D

What women truly want are Assertive Men who are nice to her and only her WITHOUT putting her on a pedestal. Make sense?

You buy her flowers not because you adore her, but because she deserves them.

You take her out to a candle light dinner not to impress her, but to show your affection.

Assertive - Romantic = Attractive
Romantic - Assertive = Needy
Assertive + Romantic = I'm going to jump your bones sexy

How To Know When You're Being Assertive:

When her feelings for you are higher than your feelings for her. You have the control, you call the shots.

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The deceit in loving a woman sometimes, is that most women fall in love with assumed personality, but eventually will bail on their true character.

If you intend to keep a woman you must also keep the persona alive that attracted her in the 1st place.

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Ok, I'm trying to take all of this in and develop it into a working modus operandi. I've always liked being aloof, because women seem to chase things that are running away from them and disregard things that are chasing after them. But I need to combine this nice guy routine along with it. That way when she does finally get my attention it will be worth whatever she had to do to get it because I'll be the really sweet guy she always wanted. The aloofness will make her question whether I even like her, and she'll seek my validation, then be gratified by my eventual praise and nice comments. Hopefully she'll then be compelled to keep my attention and keep me being nice to her by putting out and being compliant.

Do you think I'm on to something here?

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I think... you're going against the essence of what being a natural is.

Don't program yourself to act a certain way. Instead, *be* the person you want to *be.*

If you want to stay aloof, just take on more hobbies. You'll be a naturally busy guy.

You must act in the moment. Pick up is not a game where you can pause, save and reload just to make sure you win. It's more like an arcade game. You've put in your quarters, now you better make sure you play at your best.

Flow with the go...

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