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Women in thier 20's who are still virgins would most likely have a much lower R value. Due to confidence issues which are typically derived from iinferiority... So you think that someone who is timid and weak is likely to have excellent genetics?
In my view, a woman that's a virgin in her 20's doesn't have less confidence. In fact I would say she probably has more confidence and more self esteem in herself.
To be a virgin is to be different than most everybody else. This takes incredible personal character. It is to be a leader rather than a follower.
Now, to men who want to f..k her outside of the bounds of what she considers a relationship where she will give up her virginity, they of course don't consider this a value and tend to attack her choice. Until they want to get married.
Then suddenly, it's 'where are all the virgins'..
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Also your rebut is fundamentally flawed... I never claimed a promiscuos women would have a higher R value... There is alot more then a fine line between virgin and slut. Starbuck have you ever been with a virgin? You talking like someone who thinks it's the holy grail... and people who think that of virgins have usually never been with one. It's highly overrated trust me.
Yeah, I have. When I was a young fellow. I stopped trying to get it in after a while, and settled for a BJ instead.
My first wife was also a virgin (19 y.o.), although her hymen wasn't intact, she had never had intercourse with anybody else.
But what does that have to do with anything?
Doc, do I detect more than a little animosity from you towards virgins? Frustration perhaps?
Every guy wants a woman who is as physically pure as possible. If for no other reason than to make sure when she gets pregnant it's our child and not someone else's.
The other extreme? The Jerry Springer show.
I don't think we're promoting that sort of behavior here.., or are we?
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And what I call easy perhaps is the same thing you call difficult... those are just labels. I just don't think that 3 dates is that difficult. I don't see why someone with little to no experience on a givin subject would argue facts with someone who has experience (unless by chance you've slept with several virgins who are in thier late teens/early twentys, in the 2-3 years)...
Ok, so you're claiming yourself to be the deflowering virgins expert in on PUA forum?
Should we look for you on Dateline NBC next or something?
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Your a homeowner correct? Now think if a homeless man was disagreeing with you, because he knew that if you keep doing what your doing, you'll never own a home... It just doesn't make much sense to me to argue over something that you don't have experience in.
Perhaps it's Envy
Doc, I'm a high status sort of a guy. I don't need to come to an internet forum and make a bunch of 'unsubstantiated' claims about how many virgins I've deflowered to feel good about myself or to badmouth girls that make DHV choices that don't fit my lifestyle.
If I met a virgin tomorrow that was 20 y.o. I'd tell her no thanks. I'd tell her to save it for her husband. I don't need any p...y that bad.
And I turn down more than you get as it is anyway.
CHAT
. that couldve been my chance, but i doubt it. plus i wasnt prepared anyway (no condom) and it was literally 50 degrees in there (no one is staying there over winter break). i think things are starting to get better, i can sense the suppressed sexuality in her when we make out. tonite we were making out, and she was grinding my leg like crazy. i think shes starting to open up. 
