Well, is it? Are there some newer, better "methods"? And if yes, which are they, and why are they more effective? Well thanks in advance!

the method means jack all, it's the guy who is doing it that matters, if you fail with one method, there's a really good chance you will fail with all methods

a guy with extreme confidence and high self esteem who is projecting a high status, will do well no matter what method he uses

a guy with a low self esteem and no confidence who is projecting a low status, will do poorly no matter what method he uses

just pick a method, and practise it, practice and constantly striving for growth and improvment and challenging yourself to become more confident, this will do you more good then absorbing more and more material, more time talking to girls, more taking action towards making out with them and creating good logistics for sex, less thought on ''the right way'' and getting more material, for everyone 1 hour you spend reading/watching pua material, you should spend like 8 hours outside talking to girls and practising the content

Makes sense. I'm a pretty confident guy, considering my 5~ years of martial arts experience, so I think I'm good in that department. Thanks

np, but sort of weird to ask this questions to begin with if confidence isn't an issue for you, confidence and courage are not the same thing

Well, I just saw some people saying that MM is outdated, and that you're better off not using some other routines. Your comment helped me acknowledge that it isn't that much about the material, rather, the person using it.

RSD teaches some good shit. I mean, Tyler went through PUA community for 10 years and he knows the shit. Althrough he learned from Mystery, he developed RSD style which is based on natural instict, pretty much. He goes deep.

I am sure Mystery can still get you laid. For me, I could never get myself to memorize all those phases and steps...

It all depends on what makes you comfortable. A method, any method, is like training wheels. It boosts your confidence. It tells you what to say. What to expect. And has the built-in promise of "do this and you will get laid". It's very easy for newbies who maybe never even kissed a girl, have been awkward around them all their life. Suddenly, they learn a script and they "KNOW" they will get laid. It's huge, right?

If you want to follow a method, try out a few, even if you crash and burn. Get a feel for which made you feel more confident,natural, ..., when you tried it. Or maybe simply pick the one that got you laid more consistently. And stick to it.
Over time, you will make tiny adjustments. You will get a feel for the set and tweak/bend the method.
Once you become good enough, you have your method.

Mine is being funny, even silly. And escalate as soon as the vibe feels right. I let the interaction flow. And I get touchy-feely and sexual/flirtatious ASAP.

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good post TheSeagull!!

If Mystery method is predictable then is causation. if it’s not, but seems related then you can’t rule out any third reasons for success.
It might not be the material per se. You need to be aware when you are trying out someone’s material or even new material of your own that there could be something else going on in the background affecting your results. These things could be practice effects such as your confidence as you get better at using your script (= swagger).

If you are using the same material and are constantly getting different verbal responses, but are still moving through the motions and establishing good rapport then this would be an indication that it might not be the words you are using. In contrast if the responses are predictable then you might be tapping into a cognitive network.

This cognitive network might be similar for certain groups in the population (depending on pop culture and frequency of concepts/interactions). The idea is that if popular themes are sitting at a high resting level of activation in someone’s mind then you should be able to spread this activation by priming themes and lead them to a topical destination of your choice.

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you can fake it till you make it, but if it feels REAL go with the flow!

Most programs wont work for most, but will work for a few.

Check TV, weight loss, real estate, trading, "RESULTS WILL VARY"

If you buy a video on how to master your golf swing, 100 people can buy and or try it, but only a handful will be able to do anything with it.

The idea that any idiot can be a pua is silly, although any idiot can be a bigger idiot.

I still maintain that pua can help u get women in your league, not women who would never give you the time of day.

"I still maintain that pua can help u get women in your league, not women who would never give you the time of day."

Thats a very interesting point. Could you expand on that?

Surely the idea is that with PUA skills you should be in a position to "bat out of your league". Or are you saying that some people lack the skills and confidence to get women in their league in any event and as such either do with out or differently - go lower?

MM is still valid, because it has been proven to work over and over again. There may be better methods, true. And like was said, if YOU are the problem, then no method will help you.

It's basically just open, false time constraint, disqualify, neg, dhv spike, neg, dhv spike, kino, then close.

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there's no such thing as ''leagues'' it's all in a guy's head, the rate at which you succeed to get laid has more to do with how attractive you are, rather then how attractive the girl is, although obviously the more desperate the girl the more likely she'll be willing to lower her standards

a guy who is according to social norms is around a 9 to a group of 7s, will be a 9 to a group of 9s, same with a guy who is according to social norms considered a 7, if you are very unattractive, you will have problems attracting women no matter what ''league'' they are in, and if you are attractive you will have less trouble attracting women no matter what ''league'' they are in, a female that most would physically rate as a 9 is just a person all the same as a female that most would physically rate as a 4, not only that but alot of girls that guys percieve as holding a whole bunch of dating market value actually have low self esteem and don't even value themselves as highly as some of the more average girls, so this perception of you have to be a certain type of guy to get hot girls is absolute bullshit, it's just a limiting belief and a confidence killer, most guys can't get hot girls because they just don't approach hot girls at all, or they just can't get girls in general, it has very little to do with a ''league'', it's like saying male celebrities won't sleep with average looking girls because they are out of those girl's ''league''... absolute horse shit, plenty of promiscuous male celebrities that will gladly do it up

Well, I hereby thank everyone for their input. After a couple of field tests I have decided that it doesn't matter which method you use. I'll just be sticking to good old MM =D

So many people say it is bad now because of its exposure. This is not true, because it is based on evolutionary things, which won't change. ( for a LONG TIME)

this is always one of those things that gets some people really fired up. But as far as I can tell, every method, and I mean absolutely every method I've seen works. However, using somebody elses canned material and obvious negging has become very well known and you really risk getting called out on that shit these days.

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