Hey guys, I just thought I'd share my experience from last friday. So last friday, I was hanging out with 4 other friends at a plaza during the evening hours. We were just chilling until I spotted a set of 6 females that just arrived(they were just sitting there without talking to one another). They did not show any IOIs at all, let alone pay attention to my friends and I. So after about 3 minutes of contemplating, I told my friends I would go and talk to the set. Before leaving my group of friends, I asked my boys if anyone would want to wing me. They all declined (they have no background in PUA). So on my way to walk to the set, I tipped a musician to imply to the set that I was a friendly individual. When I arrived next to the set, I said "Hey guys, my friends are being dicks so could I hang out with you guys?". The girls started giggling and it seemed like they were having mini side conversations within the set. So I asked all of the girls "You guys are secretly talking about me aren't you? That's the reason why you guys are laughing!". One girl said "no, that's not the reason" in a playful way(The girl that I was trying to game). But then one of the other girls started acting really hostile towards my presence. The 'hostile girl' said "We just aren't interested, so why don't you go walk over there and hang out with your friends. BYE!". I was shocked to hear such a negative response and I immediately said to her "What's up with the pessimism? I'm just trying to meet new people." She then says, "UH, SORRY..BYE!". I then politely said "I'll catch you guys later." And I left with my dignity half on...



After the night was over, I sat in my room and reflected upon the situation. I was just wondering what went wrong and I then found holes in my approach. I noticed a big problem with my opener. The problem was that I said "my friends are being DICKS." This statement implied that my friends rejected me and that I wasn't the AMOG in my group. Another problem I noticed with my initiation was that I was keeping my target in the set for too long. Because I didn't pull my target aside, it looked like I had no girl/goal in mind (looked like I was just talking to all 6 girls).

Even though I crashed and burned I was proud of myself that day for partially overcoming my strong approach anxiety and getting out of my comfort zone. I crashed and burned, but I'll consider this a stepping stone for my way to success.
If there are any other mistakes in my approach, please let me know so I can improve my game.

And finally, thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Regards,
Anthony

It sounds like you had a run-in with the 'alpha female' of the group, she is the one who you need to win over or disarm.
TonyKing is right, what you needed to do was call her out on it, if you control the mother hen, you have control of the set and access to her 'chicks'.

It is mostly never personal, she knows very limited info about you and most likely just to test you out, you did hold your frame for a little while, but it did eventually crumble to her pressure, but most guys would have just ran with their tail between their legs, so you're already at an advantage, just keep at it.
Think of this process as 'sorting the wheat from the chaff' they probably get hit on all the time, so what makes you so different - demonstrate you can handle yourself, playfully, but at the mother hen's expense - The rest of the group will probably be amazed at how you handled that whole interaction and you may notice a flash in IOI's from interested members of the group, you have disposed of her controlling friend and disqualified her as a potential suitor, so now they actually have a chance with you.

The bit where you said "What's up with the pessimism? I'm just trying to meet new people.", you did contest her which is good thing, but I feel like you submitted to her by asking her a question, you’re asking her to validate her decision, which is 'seeking her approval' - its this point where you almost certainly lost the set.

But my hat is off to you man, even I haven't got it in me to approach a 6 set, so great job!

You should have negged her hard, kinod her and maybe closed her to show her her place.

Do not take their shit ever.

Now she will think it is fine to be rude to other guys.

Most of this is true, I'm not so sure about forcing kino and closing her though.

You can take this whole scenario out of a PUA context and put into a totally different light.

Imagine watching a comedian, on stage doing stand up and in the middle of his/her set and some wise ass in the crowd heckles them...What do they do?
They put them in their place, playfully but they do make an example of them at their expense!
(The heckler is testing their frame)

The comedian shows the audience, that this behaviour, is not acceptable, punishes them accordingly and everyone else finds it hilarious, you DHV the whole room and almost every person in that room would think the same thing 'Wow this guy really is good!'
(Any comedian who can work a crowd, especially improv, makes a great comedian, its less rehearsed and more situational rather than relying solely on set routines and scripts - Just like in PUA).

If the comedian buckled under the pressure of this heckle, chances are other people would pitch in and heckle too because they would demonstrate that it is acceptable to them and the hecklers get a buzz from this 'power' they've stumbled across and before you know it, social pressure and social compliance would take control and the whole crowd would probably end up booing the comedian off stage (safety in numbers).

Relating back to our scenario, the mother hen is basically doing the same and relies on 'safety in numbers' by automatically assuming her group is going to back her up - Notice it typically doesn’t happen that often, the rest of the group don't snipe away at you from a distance at every given opportunity.
(If that did happen it may be best just cutting your losses and put it down to a dead set, while still maintaining your frame, they'll still respect how you handle yourself, because its not meant to be taken personally, but you've blown it with them).
Its only when you willingly hand the group the ammunition they need by either, not standing up for yourself and failing to deal with the shit test, would the above typically start to happen.

I take as a challenge any time a girl reacts this way as it is not normal and there must be a reason.

I would have tried to game her and yes I would have negged her hard.

What was her body language like? Maybe she was not getting all the attention?

Maybe her reaction was one of lacking self confidence?

Thanks everyone for replying to my Field Report! I really appreciate it . I'll take you guys's advice by standing my ground against the 'alpha female of the group'. I didn't realize that she was the alpha female at first because she was sitting at the edge of the group, therefore I didn't give her the attention she deserved. It would have been really hard to kino the girls, for they were sitting down on a pedestal while I was standing up.

Should've go with the opinion opener, especially sets with cockblockers/mother hens. Get the cockblocker's/mother hens' attention (win their approval of being in the circle) before you disarm your target. But despite it all, your doing good and the way I see it, it's progress. Lets aim for perfect next time. All the best.

Cheers..

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Hey guys! I just wanted post a little update on my sarging experience.

So last friday, I was hanging out with my friends in the quad at my high school. At the corner of my eye, I spotted this HB7 hanging out with her group of friends. I then asked one of my friends if he would wing me. My friend and I then approached the group of about 5 girls. After a brief introduction and handshakes, I then used the following opener "Do you gals prefer thug loving or gangster loving?". They all started cracking up and at that point. I then tell them that thugs are softer in bed and gangsters are just tough all around. The alpha female of the group then started her interrogation process with me. She asked me if I was doing this as a dare and what grade I was in. I then told her it wasn't a dare and that, "age doesn't matter, honey (I didn't want to reveal my age because I'm a junior and they are seniors)". From here I knew I had the mother hen's approval. After the conversation, I decided not to close on my target due to me being more of a 'behind the scenes kind of guy'. Both my wing and I shook hands and bid them a farewell. I also noticed that my target HB7 was very shy in her speech and body language. At the end of the day, I felt like my wing was hindering my game. Every time I tried bringing him in, he wouldn't carry on the conversation. He would just stand there awkwardly.


So it was Monday today, which means it's the first day of the week. At lunch time, I proceed to my usual hangout spot in the quad. I then spot the HB7 along the way to my hangout spot. We both smile at each other and say "Hi!". Instead of going directly to her, I head to my hangout spot. My friends start teasing me about her, so I decided to take action. Since it looked like HB7 was with her group, I decided to bring a different wingman in with me. My wingman and I proceeded to go talk to the girls. Upon arrival, I introduced my wingman and I asked the HB7 if she remembered me. She said, "yeah". I asked her what my name was and she said "ANTHONY". I then praised her for remembering. The mother hen was then glancing at me and smiling (Yes, I'm approved). The HB7 introduced me to her brother which was standing next to her the whole time. After the introductions were all over, I asked them what they did over the weekend. They said "nothing". I then negged both her brother and her about being dull and boring. Then I asked her to try something new sometime, preferably hanging out with ME. I then asked for her digits so we could kick it sometime. NUMBER CLOSE SUCCESSFUL! After all that was over, I hugged her and bid godspeed. There was then a euphoric scream within me that shouted "ALPHA!" when I was walking back to my group. I felt great and my friends all congratulated me on being a baller.

After both events, I noticed that my wingmen were awkward even though I tried to bring them into the conversation. Is it my wingmen's fault for being awkward or do I just work better alone?

Thanks everyone who helped me with the advice on the mother hen. It helped me loads in this situation, and I'm sure it'll help for many years to come.

Regards,
Anthony

First up - great job!

It sounds like you had good frame and I'm glad you've put everyones collective advice into practice.

As far as your wings are concerned, it depends how dedicated they are to the cause.
Are they willing to wing for you because they want in on the action too, or is it just because they look up to you and they do what you ask of them? (they could see you as their AMoG?).

If its the latter and they are interested try teach them a few tools of the trade, otherwise their purpose may just be to be a distraction, which may work, however, it could equally work against you (guilt by association - DLV) so I'd say use your best judgement in each situation - remember believe in your abilities, as you control your own reality.

If you feel up to it and confident enough, try going 'lone wolf' and see how you get on, it's all a learning curve so you may discover something more about yourself.

As with me, im working on my day game, but I sometimes can't summon my state and approach every time I want to, I find it much easier when with a wing or even just a friend (with no game) just as moral support - he does nothing to actually aid me in game, but I know he's there when I screw up - but if I'm with a friend, we go out for a good time, it's not just all about me and my approaches (bro code).