so more or less,

the relationship forum can be summed up with tl:dr:

HURRRR DURRR I PICKED A GIRL I HATED AND SETTLED CAUSE SHE WASN'T UGLY, NOW SHE'S BEATING ME, FUCKING ALL MY FRIENDS AND BREAKING STUFF AT MY HOUSE

I DON'T WANT TO DUMP HER OR OFFEND HER CAUSE I THINK I SUCK, WHAT DO I DO?

Sound advice but not something many would follow. People jump the gun because they want to make up for their lonely insecure past before pua. This often backfires and thus we have all the afc problems that would solve themselves if the pua has enough experience and formed a strong identity where he no longer needs to doubt himself and what he wants. There would be more reassurance which translates into more confidence and genuine alpha behavior. Everything is related.

Anyways, even if people fuck up now, just being aware that you need a strong foundation should be a huge game changer long term, so hopefully this thread will make some lightbulbs turn on for people.

Interesting post. Personally, I learned through the "fake it until you make it" method. It took me a couple years to get to the point where I am today. I made a lot of mistakes, but I learned from them and the process worked for me.

I agree that guys shouldn't promise monogamy before they have this stuff figured out. However, it's not realistic to expect inexperienced guys with NRE (new relationship energy) to take this advice. The endorphins being released in their system override any rational thought. So I say let them make their mistakes and be patient because they'll figure it out eventually.

-Wolf

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yep, i am also from the school of fake it until you make it.

a better way to put it is:

apprenticeship

we imitate those that we wish to be like

faking is just a crappy word for "imitation".

we learned how to walk, speak, eat, and wipe our asses by IMITATING a role model.

there is NOTHING wrong with faking it.

as long as you eventually MAKE IT.

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what dr. house brings to medicine, i bring to everyday life (an extreme dose of cynicism), don't listen to the curmudgeon!

No one has it 100% figured out, the guys who are pua's who never enter long term relationships, often think they know the most about relationships lol the reality is that every women and ever relationship is different, a relationship is very different from regular game!

The advice I try to give in the relationship forum is more practical then most, many in here do give "band aid advice" while others truly try to get to the root of the problem and fix it.

All relationship have problems, doesn't matter who the women is! at some point you will have issues and this a great forum to come and get advice!

Now are there guys in here who fall for the first good looking women they pick up? yes of course but I would say the majority are guys who simply want advice...look around at all the sub forums and you will find beta guys, you will find chumps, they are in every inch of this forum and the relationship forum is no different. I cant tell you how many stupid posts I have seen in the "general" forum by guys who have been a member for year yet still have no clue what they are doing! it happens.

I like asking questions and I like seeing what advice others give here. It's rare to find a place that encourages men to better themselves and promotes an anti-competitive environment: there's abundance for everyone.

"Act alpha" is something a character on SNL would say in a skit about PU. It is shallow throwaway advice, but like any advice on here (even if it's great), I hope people realize no one here fully realizes their individual situation. Applying it without being aware of that is antithetical to the alpha they seek to be.

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"Let me ask you something. If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"

I like how my post made you think about it.

I agree with a lot of things being said here. I think people learn so much when in a relationship, so many different emotions you thought you never had come in at some point and i love how this makes you act in a certain way. When you have fully mastered your emotions you can call yourself good relationship material.

When your with a freak girl who creates mad drama over nothing you will learn a lot from it and act better in your new relationship, you learn and learn until you got the basics handled.

Acting alpha, being a leader, being independent are things you should eventually be by learning and learning so this is why i and many guys here give this advice but i must agree you must at least have some sort of confidence and proper inner game before you can pull these things off otherwise it will look faked and backfires on you.

Guys who get into relationships with the first girl who wants them is destined to be unsuccessful, if i learned one thing from relationships its to get with a girl who fits you and completes you. THATS WHY YOU GET TO KNOW HER BEFORE GETTING INTO A RELATIONSHIP. You screen her for red flags and if she has the quality's you look for, if you do it like this 75% of the threads here will be gone.

Have a great weekend guys and happy relationships!

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Do not make external things like girls define your happiness or you will live a harsh life. Keep doing what you love and keep improving as a man.