Before anyone has a go I know what I'm about to say is nothing groundbreaking. I just feel to make this post to tell it as it is to all the people asking for the 'perfect' opener or how to write the 'perfect' profile. None of it matters in the slightest if your pictures aren't up to scratch!!

So I made a fake POF profile last night using a male models photos. My profile description is as simple as can be. all I had written was "Will fill this in later properly. Just moved cities. Love kicking back with a beer. Ladies get in touch". And that's it.

My oh my did they get in touch. Had close to nearly 50 messages and it hasn't been up for 24h yet. I haven't even had a chance to browse from being bombarded with messages.

And what I found most astonishing was the little effort these woman put in. I kid you not, in 50 messages not one single woman has put anything in to her opener remotely interesting or different. It's all just "hey" "hi" "you look amazing" etc etc. These same girls who write on their profile 'Do not message me saying just hi, make it interesting' are the exact ones opening with this bullshit. Every single one of them claim to be looking for a fun guy yet every single one of them are the most boring people I've met. All these one line openers.

Which makes me think and laugh at the time I slaved away writing thought out messages tailored to their profile always coming across funny and interesting and for what?

On my normal profile (I rate myself a strong 8, highly fashionable and my profile is to a high standard displaying plenty of cocky/funny) I may send out 20 messages and if I'm lucky I'll get 1 reply. Even when I lower my standards to a 5/6 I still get minimal response. Yet these same girls I've messaged are now messaging the fake profile off their own back. The online dating world is a funny place. You've got such a high ratio of men to woman that their standards are extremely high and they become so so so picky. They really think they stand a chance with someone like my fake profile when they wouldn't dare approach someone like that in real life.

The same goes for half the people I message on my real profile, I know fully well would be responsive in real life to me but becuase I may not be a 10 in the online world they brush me off. I've been on POF with my real profile for 4 months and I've got 1 date out of it (well 4 dates but with the same girl).

I've now deleted the profile as I've seen what I wanted to see but it's been a bit of an eye opener for me (even though I knew it already I guess seeing it in black and white has made it sink in).

Maybe my failing point is my messages are too long. I get a better response with my fake profile replying with two maybe three words at most. "hey how you doing". That's it. And these girls still reply. On my real profile I really try and have a conversation but get absolutely no response but here when I put in minimal effort their flocking at my feet! I'll wait hours to reply and instantly they'll respond. you just can't keep up with their speed.

I understand that this fake profile does have the benefit of being under the 'newest users' category so will receive more views and interest but the difference is unreal. It's crazy. Check out this message from a strong 8. It's like the tables are flipped. This could so have been from a desperate needy guy sending it to a girl.

"Hiya Lovely! You probably get bombarded with girls on here but at the risk of sounding like a total muppet t thought it would be nice to tell you that you are absolutely gorgeous!! I hope you're having a lovely Week so far and it would be lovely hearing back if i haven't scared you off lol! Xx Kylie xx"

Doesn't that sound like something a guy would be sending

I've set my age to 22 and I've even got 29 year olds messaging me. On my real profile I'd be lucky to get a woman 1 year older than me message me due to the whole stigma with a younger guy yet here they are throwing themselves at this fake one. Try it yourselves if you want to have an eye opener.

It makes me question the reply rate some people off here claim to be getting. I for one will be deleting my online profile for a few months. Back to night game it is until the new students come to the city

I think what you really proved is being good looking doesnt hurt when trying to get women.
Your experiment boiled down to value, a 9 or 10 "male model" type guy displays value just from the get go because he is so good looking. You or I on the other hand need to display our value by our words and our actions, which can be a lot more powerful but harder to accomplish via the internet.
Girls have no game and dont need to, they are judged on their looks and their actions, thats it. The internet is harder to display value thats why pictures help, I normally just used the same opener to all online PU's and just played the numbers game, its really easy to open 50 women online as apposed to the streets so just blast it out to as many girls as you can.

If you aren't a good looking guy online dating is pretty much a waste of time. Not saying you can't have success online but the fact is it is a shallow system where it doesn't matter if you are the greatest guy in the world. It is a visual system and if the girl isn't attracted to the first picture she sees of you then it is already game over. Girls are much more judgmental but to be fair...so are men. I have given up on online gaming a while back considering I am an average looking guy so it is difficult for me to make an impression and getting no response along with conversations that mostly end up nowhere I am sticking with real life interactions mainly at this point...it has been far more rewarding for me in terms of at least developing any kinds of relationships with females.

So from my experience the only advice I'd personally offer is stay away from online dating sites if you consider yourself an average looking male or if you don't take it that seriously and are just looking for a way to practice your game.

totally agree with both.

online gaming to me was never a substitute anyway, more of a supplement to real life interactions, hoping to meet people I wouldn't normally get to.

The effort I used to put in with my words on my real profile was 99% wasted. Very minimal response. And my pictures weren't even that bad (showing my interesting hobbies, high value with good looking girls, showing I'm fun) so becuase I only rate myself as a strong 8 rather than a 10 the superficial online world deems me not up to their standards. Which is why I can't stop laughing at all the whales messaging my fake profile really beleiving they have a chance.

One thing I have learnt from my experiment is that you should take a risk and message girls with no pictures if you're not doing so already. Every one of the girls who messaged me with no pictures attached a photo to their message and damn they were hot I used to avoid profiles with no picture like the plague thinking their probably too damn ugly to put a photo up but I guess they have other reasons for not wishing to show (prob work related or trying to avoid a million messages).

Agreed. I still have some high success rate using my own personality and odd sense of humor, but I still need to put it efforts. Online dating is a shallow words full of women who are insecure and want validations. Hence, a good looking guy will always do better effortlessly due to the fact he's such a trophy of validation for these girls. The most ironic thing I realized is that they try so hard to appear "not easy" online, but once you got them on date, their pants drop almost so quick and easy.

I'm only doing online gaming as a hobby for one night stand at the moment. Not much of a tool for actual dating, day gaming would yield better results with high quality girls.

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I did the same experiment a few days ago and I also got a lot of response with the fake profile. With my real profile I get almost no response. I recently messaged about 50 girls with my real profile and nobody replied. I was actually very irritated and full of hate and anger and kind of depressed and just generally in a really bad mood the last couple of days because of this. I'm almost always in a bad mood but these last few days were worse than normal. I have quit online dating for now because it just makes me angry. This thread has given me some hope and I think I will try to talk to some girls IRL instead. I know I'm not a 10 but this was depressing. I have had some attention from girls IRL but it is quite rare. I think I will try to talk to girls IRL after the worst disappointment has worn off.