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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:25 pm 
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For anybody to look at the advice I gave and say it's misleading or I don't know what I'm doing shows that they don't know nearly as much as they think. These things have been the foundation of strength training for a long time because they work. Just because a supplement is brand new doesn't mean it's better than the ones that have been around and proved their importance. And anybody who says squats are not important to gaining muscle probably doesn't have much muscle. Lifters like Paul Anderson, Jon Cole, Ed Coan, Don Reinhout, ect. (who I'm sure none of you have heard of) built their 1,000 lb. plus squats off of the routine I gave, all while drinking gallons and gallons of milk. I have been involved in powerlifting, weightlifting, and bodybuilding for over 20 years. I have personally done official powerlifting lifts of 450 squat, 365 bench press, and 475 deadlift at a bodyweight of 195 lbs. and no steroids. I've also squatted 315 lbs. for a set of 20. How much have you all done? Right. So before you guys think you know....know. List YOUR routine and diet program and how much your lifts were on it instead of just putting down mine because you've never tried it.

By the way, I've training many people in my life with these basic principals and they have immediately gained size and strength. Some have gained 40 lbs. of muscle in less than a year and some have added over 100 lbs to their squat in less than 6 months.
sorry dude but if you're telling a new guy at the GYM to go and use creatine that shows you dont know much..


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For anybody to look at the advice I gave and say it's misleading or I don't know what I'm doing shows that they don't know nearly as much as they think. These things have been the foundation of strength training for a long time because they work. Just because a supplement is brand new doesn't mean it's better than the ones that have been around and proved their importance. And anybody who says squats are not important to gaining muscle probably doesn't have much muscle. Lifters like Paul Anderson, Jon Cole, Ed Coan, Don Reinhout, ect. (who I'm sure none of you have heard of) built their 1,000 lb. plus squats off of the routine I gave, all while drinking gallons and gallons of milk. I have been involved in powerlifting, weightlifting, and bodybuilding for over 20 years. I have personally done official powerlifting lifts of 450 squat, 365 bench press, and 475 deadlift at a bodyweight of 195 lbs. and no steroids. I've also squatted 315 lbs. for a set of 20. How much have you all done? Right. So before you guys think you know....know. List YOUR routine and diet program and how much your lifts were on it instead of just putting down mine because you've never tried it.

By the way, I've training many people in my life with these basic principals and they have immediately gained size and strength. Some have gained 40 lbs. of muscle in less than a year and some have added over 100 lbs to their squat in less than 6 months.
sorry dude but if you're telling a new guy at the GYM to go and use creatine that shows you dont know much..
Again, people want to pick apart my advice but not give any information as to why that doesn't work. What reason would creatine not work on somebody who is new to lifting? Do you know what creatine does? What are your best lifts? I don't know why pushing water in to the cells of your muscle tissue to make it bigger and give it more energy for having better and more intense workouts would be a bad thing regardless of your level of experience. Information like this would really help sell your case on you knowing more than me other than just saying"Dude you don't know much".

I thought this was supposed to be a community of people trying to help each other instead of just guys like you who want to make yourself feel better by putting down other peoples advice. When you respond to this please give detailed info as to why anything I've said here is wrong. Also maybe a little info as to your personal experience and best lifts, as I have, if you want anybody to think your advice is better than mine.


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Again, people want to pick apart my advice but not give any information as to why that doesn't work. What reason would creatine not work on somebody who is new to lifting? Do you know what creatine does? What are your best lifts? I don't know why pushing water in to the cells of your muscle tissue to make it bigger and give it more energy for having better and more intense workouts would be a bad thing regardless of your level of experience. Information like this would really help sell your case on you knowing more than me other than just saying"Dude you don't know much".

I thought this was supposed to be a community of people trying to help each other instead of just guys like you who want to make yourself feel better by putting down other peoples advice. When you respond to this please give detailed info as to why anything I've said here is wrong. Also maybe a little info as to your personal experience and best lifts, as I have, if you want anybody to think your advice is better than mine.
You got it all wrong man, my purpose is not to impress you or to show I'm better than you because I dont even think so (we dont know each other).
I think it's just a bit irresponsible to tell a new guy at the GYM to go and take supplements and creatine.
Don't get me wrong, im using mass gainer too it's just I think every trainer needs different things and you dont even know the guy and you just tell him to use everything, sounds too much for me.
Btw, I believe that if you can afford yourself to buy a lot of food and by that get to your daily protein amount (and others ofc) then you shouldn't be using protein shakes.
I (for example), can't eat as much and I use the mass gainer because of that.

Again, my purpose wasn't to insult your knowledge or to show I'm better (cause I honestly dont think I am).
One last thing man, asking what weight do I lift won't give you any real information and sounds a bit childish too. And I lift 'enough' for my body weight that's for sure :-)
Anyway man, hope we sort it out, Peace.


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hey man, here are some basics as far as I understand them

1st of all if you are not gaining weight, then you are not eating enough, simple as that

calorie intake vs calorie expendature

even if your diet is shit, with a caloric surplus you will put on weight, except when you are eating dirty, it will be mostly fat, the cleaner the bulk, the more of the gain will be lean, but this is also dependant on your own body make up, also, your body will need a good week or so to adjust to a new set of macros on a diet routine, your will see a flux in water weight, so don't get all excited or discouraged if when you see your weight go up or down between 5-17 lbs within the 1st week of changing your diet, keep factors in your diet constant constant, keep track of your weight weekly, if you are not gaining, it is time to increase your daily caloric allowance (consume more calories)

macro basics

1g protein per lb body weight min
0.45g fat per lb body weight min
once you have your proteins and fats handled, you can fill in the rest of your caloric needs with carbs, the more complex the carbohydrate the better, you want your body to be getting a steady supply of glucose, rather then sucrose or fructose

suppliments

if you are having trouble meeting your macros, you might want to look into a mass gainer, most have a fair bit of protein and nice amount of maltodextrin (carb breaks down to glucose) included per scoop

you can also look into a good protein, but honestly when you are weighing in under 150 it probably isn't hard for you to hit your protein macro requirements from whole foods, and protein obtained from whole foods is probably more useful for you then protein via supps, if your concern is the amino acids, then look into a nice BCAA mix, rather then whey or casein protein

a nice sport multi vit is pretty good, especially if your diet is based on a routine and you are not getting a wide variety of different food ranges

fish oil caps can increase brain function and help supp up some good fats

other then that, you probably don't really need many suppliments for performance yet, they would really just be costly and offer little benifit, a 5% gain in strength from a supplement when you compound lifts are at a relatively low rate will not really speed up the process at a considerable rate to the point where it is worth it to invest in the supplement (but hey if you got the money spend it how you see fit)

compound lifts
for starting out, your best bet to improve your iron game at the fastest rate possible is compound lifts, focus on your bench, your squat, and your deadlift, doing some clean and jerks and pullups (weight optional depending on fitness), probably would hurt either, it's good to have isolation excersises included in your routine but to gain mass, compound lifts should be your bread and butter


keeping your eyes on the prize
take it slow, one day at a time, stay dedicated, and don't over train, once again, calories in, vs calories out, if you are lifting 3 hours a day, you will be burning up a fuck ton of calories, keep the weight high, and the reps low, so that your caloric expenditure per muscle fibre reqruitment is at a high, keep the workouts intense but short, and don't do cardio (10 minute warmup to increase bloodflow doesn't count)

keep at it and keep in mind that 1-2lbs per month is really good, realistically 24lbs of lean mass in a year is making progress at a high rate, you will likely not see better gains then 2lb a month, unless you're on the juice (don't quote me on that, but my trainer said this to me, possibly just motivation, lol)

keep your eyes on the prize and you'll get there

also, if you are really serious about this, you might want to consider a personal trainer for a while for some help, or join a bodybuilding forum and track your progress

GOOD LUCK


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Again, people want to pick apart my advice but not give any information as to why that doesn't work. What reason would creatine not work on somebody who is new to lifting? Do you know what creatine does? What are your best lifts? I don't know why pushing water in to the cells of your muscle tissue to make it bigger and give it more energy for having better and more intense workouts would be a bad thing regardless of your level of experience. Information like this would really help sell your case on you knowing more than me other than just saying"Dude you don't know much".

I thought this was supposed to be a community of people trying to help each other instead of just guys like you who want to make yourself feel better by putting down other peoples advice. When you respond to this please give detailed info as to why anything I've said here is wrong. Also maybe a little info as to your personal experience and best lifts, as I have, if you want anybody to think your advice is better than mine.
You got it all wrong man, my purpose is not to impress you or to show I'm better than you because I dont even think so (we dont know each other).
I think it's just a bit irresponsible to tell a new guy at the GYM to go and take supplements and creatine.
Don't get me wrong, im using mass gainer too it's just I think every trainer needs different things and you dont even know the guy and you just tell him to use everything, sounds too much for me.
Btw, I believe that if you can afford yourself to buy a lot of food and by that get to your daily protein amount (and others ofc) then you shouldn't be using protein shakes.
I (for example), can't eat as much and I use the mass gainer because of that.

Again, my purpose wasn't to insult your knowledge or to show I'm better (cause I honestly dont think I am).
One last thing man, asking what weight do I lift won't give you any real information and sounds a bit childish too. And I lift 'enough' for my body weight that's for sure :-)
Anyway man, hope we sort it out, Peace.
Ok fair enough. But your still saying I'm wrong and not giving any proof. The reason why I want to know your lifts is not childish. It's to see how much success you have had with what you do. You can't just say "In my opinion I'm right" and not give evidence. Would you take advice from a PUA who says I have a whole system I came up with, but they don't have any success with women? Or would you believe a PUA like Mystery who continues to have huge success with his game? I'm telling you how much success I've had with what I do.

I'm trying to get you to list your workout routine, diet, sups, and then the success you have had with it. If your admitting you haven't had as much success as me then you can't pick apart my advice. Stop being stubborn! Maybe try some of what I'm saying and see if you have success. If you don't then you can try to discredit me. My advice was given from years and years of taking good and bad advice and trying it all, then seeing what worked. It's not opinion, it's science. Irresponsible would be not to give advice to a fellow PUA about a subject I know so much about. I don't sit on here and offer hollow advice to everybody. So in your vast experience, what would YOU tell a new guy at the gym to do?

I don't wanna do this battling shit with people and try to prove I'm right. I came on here to LEARN stuff. And I'm willing to have an open mind about it. But it sucks when I give great advice and people just say "your totally wrong and you don't know what your talking about" and then don't wanna put themselves in the vulnerable position of explaining why and then make themselves the target of hecklers. That's chicken shit.


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Look can everyone just put their penis and ruler away? THe man just wants to put weight on not be Mr Olympia. :)

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Look can everyone just put their penis and ruler away? THe man just wants to put weight on not be Mr Olympia. :)
Exactly!


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