Very good to you. But, as I said, I'm trying to evaluate myself on the SEXUAL market, not the relationship one. Never, ever seen a man refuse sex to a woman because she's dumb and boring, but pretty. They will have sex with her, because she rates high on the sexual market, and anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant (like many women who get pumped and dumped), or lying through their teeth.

Relationship - oh, yes, men have high expectations on this one, which I hold them in great respect for. But for sex, it is foolish to believe men will actually have some criteria other than looks. Talked to too many guys to buy that.

This is why I'm trying to find out what my pure sexual appeal is. Guys I talk to - friends, relationships - are not to be taken seriously, because they know me too well and simply cannot seperate my looks from my personality. So I believed their grading was a bit inflated (which has proved right, at least for now).

Relationship value - no one who doesn't know me can judge me for this, so it's useless to ask you, guys. I know what can and what cannot be done via an Internet forum.

that question is something I use as well, for the same reasons as well. Beauty only is nothing if the girl herself is not interesting. She needs some fun hobbies I can relate to and speak about.

I presume you wanted to know how u scale because you want to be approached more by men you like.
Just be a fun girl that also approaches men. Have an open body language be spontanious and be fun.
Its true that men first look at how you look before they approach you, but they also look at how you behave. I never approach a women who is just standing there and not enjoying herself. You approached them yourself, or show them that you are interested. If you show interest men will approach you more. And then you can let them game you. Maybe you will find a guy who thinks you are a 10, who wouldnt have approached you if you had been more closed up.

edit: This also counts for the sexual market. If you would have wanted easy sex, you would just have approached the first man you met, and sayd hey lets get out of here. You too want that someone fun approaches you. You want a fun time before the act. And only then will you enjoy the act yourself as well. Being open and fun yourself really helps with that.

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My reasons are very different from what you are speculating, but thanks anyway.

I feel you misinterpreted me slightly, I'm not speaking of LTR (Long Term Relationships) but yes it would apply to LTR's just like the same still applies if you were after a f buddy or a same night lay.

If a woman had ever approached me and I knew from the off that she wanted a same night lay (only two occasions I can recall) I've still qualified her to some extent, at least in an attempt to get to know her, to demonstrate value to her and show that I'm not an AFC (Average Frustrated Chump) pushover.

Most guys with no game in that situation would probably think that today is their 'lucky day', put up no resistance and submit themselves to an alpha female.

*This is by no means, meant to be degrading or disrespectful - rather to put the above scenario into context*
If the above was to present itself to me again, a woman would still have to work for what she wants from me, not click her fingers and expect me to roll over like a little lap dog for her - This is by not to be mistaken as acting like a 'player', more to the matter of does she measure up to a person I'd of approached in the first place.

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If I wanted a similar result to what the above is without building rapport, I'd try what is known as the apocalypse opener but again being honest, It is so forward and I have currently not got the confidence to even attempt it.
Its not really my style anyway but is certainly not for the feint hearted.

Chickchoc,

PM me them and I'll give you an honest *raw* rating.

I was going to ask you to do mine in return but then I thought to myself, what am I really asking for here? Validation, Confirmation... lol it's late here!

If that's the case, I think you should consider hanging out with a higher caliber of male. I, along with virtually all of my friends, have turned ladies down on numerous occasions for the very reasons you mentioned, and have likewise hooked up with women of a less physically attractive persuasion precisely because we were impressed by their wit, charm and intelligence.

I'm not trying to argue that those facts make us somehow 'better' or 'higher class' than other guys, only pointing out the error of assuming that all men have standards similar to the few you've met.

Your boy,
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If you send me a pic I will give you a rating based on my personal opinion, but that is all it will be, the biggest difference between most grade boundaries genuinely is personal opinion a brunette may be a 10 to one guy who has a thing for brunettes but may be an 8/9 to a guy who prefers blonds. some guys like big boobs others (like me) dont. so it really is personal opinion.

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I have sent you a PM and graded you on looks and sex appeal ONLY exactly as you have requested.

Then you're a very rare jewel indeed.
Maybe it's the air of this forum and its category of population.
Over here, in my country (eastern EU), the attitude is, if you forgive me the local expression, "Everything above 6 gets under the knife". They refuse to miss out any opportunity, and dumbness is not a problem. On the contrary, it suggests an easy to get woman, so it's actually a desirable quality for a one night lay. Easy, quick, and hot - no more qualities needed.
If you could speak my native language and check out our "local" PUA forum (checked it out yesterday), you'll understand what I mean. Don't admit you actually refuse to have it with hot dumb women, you'd probably get a permanent ban, lol.

Thanks for the advice, but definition of "higher caliber of male"s a very gray area which I refuse to delve in. Unlike looks, criteria for which are international in the Westernised world, defining what a high caliber male is is hard. Qualities searched for in a male vary from country to country, and probably the most important factor in play is the economic state of said country, if you get my hint.
Your attitude to women will be considered Beta here. Eastern "Alphas" with high status (firstly and mostly economic) aren't too picky of hot women. Those who are are usually highly intellectual males with low economic status, thus considered low caliber males (don't forget that Eastern European countries are devoid of middle and upper middle class. Medical doctors, scientists, psychologists, doctors of pharmacy, university professors are very underpaid and considered undesirable).
No, you're asking for a totally meaningless opinion, because a male is never judged on looks alone, unlike women. OK, women over here. Got it.

Oh, OK, so I can post pics now here. I'll add as many as I can for better assesment. Thank you.

Purely based on sex appeal and if I had absolutely no preferences whatsoever, I would give you 7 or 8.

My personal opinion... 6

I would give you a 7.

But as all the other guys told you, character DOES MATTER!!!
To me, the voice of a woman, the way she talks and behaves shows how sexy or not she is which is what also attracts and arouses men despite of her looks. A woman like yourself if she is sexy, she can get an 8 very easily but also if she is not she can get a 6.

In addition one day a woman may look like 9 and the next day she may look like a 7-8 it depends on how you are dressed and your hair is.

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THANK you, thank you everyone.
You proved something quite important, which me and my friends discussed previously.
They really thought that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", and "there is a train for anyone", unlike me. I claimed that even though a grade may vary in certain borders, there are traits that are universal and make a woman attractive or not. So basically a 10 to one man can be a 7,8 or 9 to another, but simply can't be a 3. She may be a 8 for someone, and a 6 for another, but it's certain which half of the scale will she belong to. Purely statistically, you can tell where a woman stands, with variations within the border of the statistic mistake, which is about 10%. So thanks deeply for proving my point (and placing me in the "better" physical half). Thank you for being honest, too. I asked for grading in some other forum (not English-speaking) and got the same results. And got a huge ice-cream of my favourite for daring to post my pics in a PUA forum for evaluation (they didn't think I would, lol).

But you proved me wrong on something different, which I had no intention of checking, for I thought it an absolute truth.
You actually very enthusiastically proved that males actually care if they f...lower with a bimbo or not. Wow. Let me tell you guys, I'm very dishearted. I thought my (drop the bomb) husband is in the minority. Yeah, only here though. Oviously my country suffers from economic as well as social problems, which stem from the former. Maybe this is why foreigners are so desired here - they have more standards, thus are more Alpha? (I don't know, never been with a foreigner).
Open for discussion here. Thank you, thank you very much again.
I'm deleting the pictures now.

I'm still open to opinions. Whoever wants to rate me, is welcome.