hey fellas. so the biggest problem i find is that at clubs and bars and pick up places genrally all the hottest are girls are usually with other guys (not their gf but talking to them) and i know ur meant to open up the group and focus ur attention on the guys and all that but i kinda lose my confidence when another guy is there. like i dont know what openers to use. i find just girls a lot more predictable and easy but guys could either be really friendly or chummy or just be pricks.

so basically what im asking for is a few pointers for openers when the group has guys as well as girls

You open the group the same way with the same type of openers, just give the guys more attention when you open them. One of my favorite openers if I spot an AMOG in the group is to go up to him and use a Style type of opener. "Oh my god, where did you get that shirt man? I had a shirt just like that but I let my last girlfriend borrow it, and it's gone. It's like I have to buy two of everything...." Shows pre-selection, your the leader of men, and it's a good opener.

HAPPY SARGING!!!

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Yeah Jsmooth had a good opener. I'd thow in a Neg or two at the girl you want. So everyone thinks your not interested, and she will work harder to redeem herself (if you do it right).

Yeah it's not hard plus most guys get surprised when you come up to them and don't talk with the women immediately. The guys become comfortable and then after finding out about the guys relationships to the girls etc. You will notice the girls will become more interested and try to engage in the conversation. You run regular game here nothing elaborate just neg and continue to do as you've been taught. If you haven't been taught or read any books you can contact me. It's not like your after something you're just a guy asking a question who happened to get into a good conversation. You shouldn't have anyone giving you to much shit in those circumstances.

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Guys are just ugly girls.

Don't let them intimidate you by ANY means.
In fact, it EASIER to open a set with guys in
it, because you can RELATE to the guys, right?

Here's something that I discovered myself:

Routines can be used on guys to make friends.
They would be just as interested to hear your DHV
stories, and shoot the shit with you. It's not like
you're after them...right? So, what's there to fear?

Open the set of guys with an opener, and just throw
in a DHV story to make them think that you have
high value and they can start talking to you. From there,
just be yourself.

They already know that you are a man of value, so when
you turn off "Game," they will still have the same thoughts
of you because you've already established the DHV spikes.

J how do you stack this? I tried this and couldn't really follow it up with anything because their answers generally don't give me leads to open new threads, and any new topics I start tend not to flow very well from it...unless I start talking about my ex girlfriend, which is a convo killer right there cause it's like I'm foiling my problems on them.

P.S. I tried the jump to "So how do you all know each other", but still feels like there's something missing in the transition.

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I personally like to stack another opener "Who lies more men or women" or something else like that. I tend to find I have to stack another opener so I can now involve the group and not just him.

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Good advice

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Open the guys . . . Just think of them as VERY ugly girls. They are the easiest to open.

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