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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:19 pm 
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So I am going in a club to enjoy some music Saturday night but I don't want to leave with empty pockets this time, since last Saturday I got nothing because I couldn't approach any girl because of my hesitation. Basically I am a shy guy since a few years, I've been in a relationship a few times before, but I never did it through approaching a girl, mostly meet the girls on Facebook, talked there and they eventually told me if to hang out, so I did, but I bet they had one of the most boring time of their lifes, especially with my first girlfriend since I moved to a new town.
So as I said, once I learned the techniques and such, I am still feeling I cannot have a good talk with a girl, not because I am so shy that I just lose my temper, but because nothing passes through my fucking mind right now and all the time.
So the routine would be that I am going to a hot girl I see, without any waiting (yes I have to do that) and I've thought about an opener like "Oh, hi... (pause, so she answers back). Well, it might be a little strange that I've come to you like that, but I thought I shouldn't miss the chance of meeting such a cute girl (smile, keeping eye contact while I talk to her). My name is -----." And I shake her hand while she tells me her name.
Then, I have no subject of discussion, really. I cannot come up in mind with anything and I never did, when I met new girls. That's really fucking annoying since I couldn't find anything on Internet. It's all about being funny, but I cannot transite from the opener to something funny, or at least to fluff talk. Basically, what should I keep saying after the opener? What are some interesting subjects of talking with girls and how to transite from opener to these subjects?
Also, are there any better openers than the one I've thought to apply?


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hi, im just a beginner in this art but when i open a set i usualy begin with an opinion opener because gives you a topic of conversation .


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:12 pm 
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For a shy guy you just put up one of my fav. direct openers.

After I use that one..

I am pulling out after sparking interest!

Hey, nice to meet you but my friends are waiting... got to go! But we will dance tonight! (pinky swear) "Do w/e feels right."

Or I will talk to you later while smiling and walking away.

Later that night I will come back and talk to her! "later that night" How about that dance? (loud) So her girlfriends can hear it.. I am taking this lovely lady to the dancefloor.. Or I going to steal your girlfriend for a sec or I am going to borrow your girlfriend real quick. Always smile!!!

Then your allowed to ask her anything.

Where she is from
Hobbies
What she is doing in live
Oppinions (e,g) Looking troubled.. She picks up that your troubled.. she asks whats going on. Or I use look at her and say very natural. Your a women right? well because, my friend steve got a text from his girlfriend that she wanted to break up with him. Is that normal for a women to do that? (Some girls can keep going on forever on this one) Remember you must lead and control the conversation.

Edit: also ask her funny questions.. Do you always dance with strange guys?
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Most people call that a interview. But doesnt matter what you say.. But how you say it. The point is finding hooks and ladder while she is talking to you while building comfort and attraction.

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Nice opener. I like how genuine it is and not gimmicky.

You should check out this article i wrote on transitioning on my blog. It will definitely help you out and understand how easy to is to open and transition.

Day Game: Opening, Transitioning, Closing
http://theattractiveu.com/day-game-appr ... ion-close/


Check out some of the articles under day game that will really help you with making approaches.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:33 am 
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Nice opener. I like how genuine it is and not gimmicky.
Is it haha. I never thought of using it but I might do it when I just piss off this AA.
I'll read that, thanks.


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So I am going in a club to enjoy some music Saturday night but I don't want to leave with empty pockets this time, since last Saturday I got nothing because I couldn't approach any girl because of my hesitation. Basically I am a shy guy since a few years, I've been in a relationship a few times before, but I never did it through approaching a girl, mostly meet the girls on Facebook, talked there and they eventually told me if to hang out, so I did, but I bet they had one of the most boring time of their lifes, especially with my first girlfriend since I moved to a new town.
So as I said, once I learned the techniques and such, I am still feeling I cannot have a good talk with a girl, not because I am so shy that I just lose my temper, but because nothing passes through my fucking mind right now and all the time.
So the routine would be that I am going to a hot girl I see, without any waiting (yes I have to do that) and I've thought about an opener like "Oh, hi... (pause, so she answers back). Well, it might be a little strange that I've come to you like that, but I thought I shouldn't miss the chance of meeting such a cute girl (smile, keeping eye contact while I talk to her). My name is -----." And I shake her hand while she tells me her name.
Then, I have no subject of discussion, really. I cannot come up in mind with anything and I never did, when I met new girls. That's really fucking annoying since I couldn't find anything on Internet. It's all about being funny, but I cannot transite from the opener to something funny, or at least to fluff talk. Basically, what should I keep saying after the opener? What are some interesting subjects of talking with girls and how to transite from opener to these subjects?
Also, are there any better openers than the one I've thought to apply?
Read please, i put some effort into this to help you =)

Ok, ok, woah, hold on, you got most of that wrong... unless you approach prime your HB/ hot babe, don't open directly to her, open to the rest of the group and ignore your target! Learn how to neg your target if she tries to say something to you. What your doing is being very forward, saying, i think your cute, i would like to kiss you/fuck you. That's a lot for a girl to think about and commit to. That's whats going through her mind, you don't want that, what you want going through her mind is "why isn't he like the other guys that think I'm cute and want me", also don't introduce your name to her! let her tell you her name when you get her into a 1 on 1 chat, this is a definite IOI and is a good way to get an easy IOI.

So that's your opening, on the topic of what you need to talk about, start with what she does! ask are you in college or are you working or whatever, if she says yeh I'm in college studying X or I'm working at a X, instantly neg her, say "really?" kinda surprised like most people would say, but then say straight away "I think you should quit and become a stripper/ pole dancer" this will throw her off completely! She's used to having a normal person saying "really, that's cool and do you like it". when you throw her off she starts to think, this guy isn't like the other guys, hes different. But follow shortly up afterwards being honest and give your honest opinion about what she is doing with her life and seem interested in who she is as a human being, not someone you want to stick your penis in. Starting to understand me? Good =)

You can think of loads of different topic to talk about before you head out, make a list if you have to but make sure you do one thing, JUSTIFY WHY YOUR TALKING ABOUT A TOPIC! I find this very powerful and here's what i mean. Lets say you would like to talk about animals (to lead into the evolution seduction method (don't know where the link is i looked but couldn't find it for you)). Don't just say completely out the blue "Do you like animals?" its kind of a weird question to come out with, where as if you lead with "I got the cutest dog you have ever seen, I should show you sometime (this is also an example of future pacing i think its called, look it up). This then leads into a whole new topic that you could talk about for an age and build rapport, but remember, NEG your target as you converse with her! It's most important!

In summery learn these techniques: different group openers, approach priming, negs (lots of negs they are your most powerful weapon) IOI's, maybe some future pacing and just general topics to talk about and learn how to justify each topic before you talk about it!

Hope this little breakdown helped you.
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What lambo said is mostly true, I just want to add to it a tiny bit. When you do the stripper/ pole dancing neg, be sure to say it with a smile like :P or ;D.

Also, I think direct day game is the best way to go for a beginner, because it can be simple and genuine. (Not the "Hey, you look good and to be honest I'd like to fuck you tonight" line but something more watered down)

Starting with your opener, off the top of my head:

You: Oh, hi...
Her: *greeting*
You: *situational, or talking about yourself. establish False Time Constraint if possible* Hey, i was looking for my friends... but I guess you'll do :P

Be prepared for a bitch shield. Some women have a natural PMS running through their system, but they can be gamed, as long as you dont just take a shit-test for rejection and walk away.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:48 pm 
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EverythingGuy also has a point there, definitely make it very obvious that your joking with the stripper neg! or you might get a slap in the face ;) ... but as far as day game goes, its pretty hard to just have the courage to walk up in the day and chat a women up, because that normally happens in the club!, But here's the good part, THAT NORMALLY HAPPENS IN THE CLUB!! Being the one guy that walks up on the street and asks her out has a high success rate on number close's!! That is why it works so well for day game!

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