Freuds theory is that adults build their relationships based on what relationship they had with the opposite gender parent.

So if her dad was abusive,she`ll want abusive guys (which explains the girls that go after jerks),if he was sweet and pampering,she`ll be spoiled (the manipulative greedy cunt-like).

So you go through attraction.You come to rapport.This is where you make your move.

You:How do you get along with your parents?
Her:My mom good,my dad was an asshole,he used to make fun of me,call me clumsy

Now this is where you go deeper.Ask her how his voice was.How he used to talk.Slowly model how you act with the girl with the daddy`s personality.

This worked for me 100%.I wanna hear you guys try and make this work.

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Interesting. It takes for granted that Freud's theory is right. Any science to prove it? (I ask out of curiosity, not as an accusation against your routine.)

Personally, I can see this one being a bit too general to have great results. I doubt (as I say - if there's science to prove me wrong then I'll hold my hands up!) that all girls, or even many girls, have a direct correlation between the way their dad treated them and their partners. So if there is no correlation for one girl, perhaps asking about her Dad and how he talked to her is not the best way to go about chatting her up. Having said that, I suppose if you ask the questions in a non-creepy way, then even if Freud's theory doesn't work, speaking about her parents could build a connection with her. Be careful as, for me, talking about past family stuff risks going friend-zone way very early on as it's simply not very exciting, but if you ask it well, it could work I suppose.

I also think that you've got the order slightly wrong - if you've 'gone through attraction and are coming to rapport' (are they really two separate stages?), and she hasn't slapped you in the face or walked off, then why would you want to change what you were doing already based on one of Freud's theories? If anything, you'd want to get on to the dad stuff early on, so you know how to frame the whole conversation - is she going to enjoy being teased, or is she going to enjoy being pampered or whatever? You would surely want to figure this out at the start, not after you've already built attraction with her in your own way.

This is actually a very very VERY powerful thing with girls. I noticed this a lot of times, too. Problem is having her talk in detail about her dad isn't really that topic that you want to go into deeply at, say, the first date.

A friend of mine once started to use the same kind of cologne her dad used to use. He had sirious problems getting rid of that girl at some point.

I think this is pretty advanced, and even dangerous to some point.

I have never tried such an approach myself but it IS highly effective. Freud's theory is very accurate, and he also states that in some cases, the woman wil be attracted to someone that represents the perfect opposite of her dad. But that is not so common so I'll stay on the first hypothesis.

More than the voice or cologne (which are already efficient) you should try recreating the behavioral patterns of the rapport between the father and the girl you are trying to pick up.

If you read enough psychology books on the matter of Oedipus complex (or any other relationship patterns between kids, you will be able to determine the kind of rapport the girl had with the father and recreate it. Takes more time to master but once you do, it'll prove to be much, discreet faster and efficient than just recreating the voice or or wearing the same cologne (which are efficient techniques but require investigation etc...).

So how did you make these transitions without being completely creepy?

Nah. All you really need to know is if she is a daddy's girl or isn't. If she is find out what cologne he wears and wear it when you go out with her. It is a bit creepy if you think too much about it, so don't.

No need to make things complected.

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Lol was talking with a girl and when I asked about her dad she basically told me she doesn't speak to him..her parents are divorced. However she's an ultra spoiled brat she literally has a reality of her own.

What would you recommend, with respect to the daddy routine of course.

Freud's theories, as theories of human psychology (i.e. universal laws applicable to every member of the human species) were complete horseshit. Not only that, but his theories are completely unfalsifiable, a cardinal sin if you want to do "real science".

Say he predicts that, based on a woman's relationships with her parents, she will prefer domineering men. If she does, great, theory proved! What if she doesn't? Freud's got a way to make himself right every time.

She goes for meek, gentle guys? Reaction formation!
She fears all men? Projection!
She doesn't have relationships with men, preferring to focus on education and career? Displacement!
She's a lesbian? Regression!
She goes blind? Conversion disorder!

If you like psychoanalytic thought (which I think a lot of PUAs do), a more general object-relations perspective might be more helpful than taking everything Freud said as the gospel truth. He himself said, over and over, that he could be wrong and that his was just the infant stages of a science.

Some girls are products of single moms and deadbeat dads. But how do you emulate a deadbeat dad? Just never call her and don't pay for anything?

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yeah this is what i was asking

To Didje,aClassic,7000,it`s a pretty nice feeling that you guys actually get what i`m saying.And aClassic`s response was quite powerful (with the cologne example),reinforcing the functionality of this routine.

Sorry for responding so late.

And about the deadbeat dad (i will asume you mean an ignoring one) yes,after the initial stages of pick-up slowly retreating will make her more desperate for your attention as she will recall the feelings of being ignored by her dad (remember memory association from your Psychology class?),meaning every negative feeling you have now will somewhat connect with the memories in your childhood (Approach Anxiety is a GREAT example,if you had an ignoring mother and you remember opening trying to open a convo with her with the risk of being ignored,you`ll link these feelings to the current situation where you are deciding if you should approach the said girl)

This is why there`s mystery`s 3 second rule,you don`t give your brain the chance to recall these sad memories.

Now you have the following patterns:

Abusive,Mean Jerk Dad

I will give you a real-world example now.I made friends with this girls best friend and asked her about this girls dad.She told me everything that associates with an abusive alcoholic dad.Now i just got up to my target and after the Opener,few DHV`s and some teasing,i build a little bit rapport then being mean to her.I mean downright insulting.She said that she`s sorry,she`s worthless,etc.I leaned in to kiss her and then BAM.She still chases me today.

This is where you emulate her dad`s properties:
- Self-centered
- Demeaning
- Self-absorbed
- Status-seeking

In a relationship:
Have her see you in a social setting that you are doing your perfect act.Do your routines,tell your stories,get people to love you.And when you go home with her just be a down-right jerk to her.Tease her.Humiliate her.

Codependent Dad

This dad spoils her girl and lets her push him over and control him in every way.She`s a daddy`s girl.She`ll get whatever she wants.

Man,i gotta tell you.THEY ARE ALWAYS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A NICE GUY.
Now if i think back to my pre-PUA girlfriends they all had spoiling doormat dads.

Ignoring Dad

This is where your "just ignore her bro,chicks dig it" comes from.This girls dad never gave a shit about her.She was expected to care for herself.Her attempts at conversation or relating to her Dad was always shot down by her dad not ever turning her head to hear what she`s saying.

Real Life example.

I`m in fifth grade.I see this girl that i like.She looks pretty unkempt but i say heck whatever,i`m not the one obsessed with bathing neither.Then i had this playful ideea to ignore her.

She came to me to introduce herself.I shrugged off and she sat next to me.She started qualifying like a mad cunt.I kept on being the ignoring little faggot i was and the BAM my brother.

She started kinoing me crazy.She told me she wants to be my GF.

Years later i found out from her that her dad never showed her any love.



I would have not even opened this thread if i didn`t see this happening with my eyes.I`m not the guy that usually blindly accepts theories that make sense to him.Most of PU-related theories are not even based on logic,only on information about women`s psychological and emotional drives.

So i like to test my ideeas infield before spouting them.Thanks for reading.

Will come back with some more testing and getting on a deeper level on this subject.God knows,might even create a new system based on this if it`s succesful enough.


Thanks for reading!

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"Codependent Dad

This dad spoils her girl and lets her push him over and control him in every way.She`s a daddy`s girl.She`ll get whatever she wants.

Man,i gotta tell you.THEY ARE ALWAYS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A NICE GUY.
Now if i think back to my pre-PUA girlfriends they all had spoiling doormat dads."


So a lady with a Codependent Dad, would be going after "nice guys..." ...even though we know they dont want nice guys..but instead want "the jerk" ?

Bit confused on this, but Im going to try Daddy Routine, once I know what this category of girls wants in accordance to your reasoning ... I ask because I usually always end up with ladies that are a bit on the high end, ie spending thousands shopping (their money not mine)...lavish dinners/eatings and Broadway shows and so on...

I like providing, all the while, not hindering my game, im not a pushovr and so on but if being a bit more leniant helps to sleep with them longer might as well?

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Gold.

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Bacchanal, I know far less about Freud than I should (especially as I lived with a psychology student for three years), so that is interesting to read.

Like I said at the beginning, I believe there probably will be an element of truth to this at times. However, it will be far too random and sporadic to be of great general use. However, the same can be said for a lot of pick up - it might work on one girl, but not on another. So if this works for 1 in 10 girls then is it massively different to using a specific routine etc. that might have similar success?

Personally, I think there are better ways of getting better success ratios which will simply rely on you yourself not trying to mirror any other person in the girl's life, but if this is working for you (or if nothing else is working for you) then it could be worth a try.

any insight on my last post above?

also bumping this bc i think this daddy stuff works.

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