So I was talking to a friend of mine, discussing some ideas and theories I have garnered from various pickup resources. Not only did he disagree with everything I said, but he outright SLAMMED me for all of it. Then him and this feminist(figures) girl started just totally ganging up on me and it got to the point where I was being barraged with such bullshit that I couldn't even defend it anymore.

Any similar experiences? It almost makes me lose faith in game stuff, even though I know it works... why does everyone like so fiercely fight it???

sometimes in life you have to walk away from people in order to live to fight another day some people just dont want to accept the obvious even though the obvious sometimes works

People fear what they don't understand, and unfortunately very few men understand how to attract women.

Just look at the situation: the feminist will have made up her mind before you even finish because anything that sounds even remotely demeaning to a woman must be sexist and wrong. Since women are for the most part emotional creatures, logic will not change her opinion.

The AFC was probably trying to attract the feminist and because he's an AFC he thought that agreeing with everything she said it might improve his chances. For some reason a lot of AFCs pride themselves that they're "different from the assholes" (assholes being PUAs) and that they treat women right -- they're just waiting for some woman to see this and hook up with them.

Unfortunately for them their definition of "treating a woman right" is buying her a shitload of gifts, agreeing with her at all times, etc. This is all basic AFC stuff.

Basically what you were looking at was a close-minded feminist and an ignorant AFC agreeing with her to reaffirm his "nice guy" image and to improve his chances of getting her in bed. Neither of these people should make you second-guess this stuff, because it works. I would have just ejected early.. say you respect their opinion and agree to disagree.

Best of luck, dude.

It's all in the way you present it.

I've talked to feminists about my 'game' and my teaching, and have been thanked several times by them for helping to teach men this art... and that they wish more men knew about it so that they could more easily find a quality, high value man.

It's all in the presentation my friend, and the proper presentation comes from congruency. If you believe your being tricky or deceptive, or that women will respond negatively to your concepts... then they are infinately more likely to respond thusly... conversely the same holds true for positive beliefs.

Remain congruent, honest, and present yourself and your thoughts in a positive light, and you will be recieved positively the vast majority of the time.

Ahh well I dunno why you brought it up with people outside the community but I wouldn't even argue with them. I would just let them be happy in their ignorance. Not everyone is made to be a pick-up artist.

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I would do it if it means I am laid by feminist, just kidding, of course.

When I talk to people that are skeptical about it, I generally tell them, "I teach social dynamics (thinking about using something along those lines for a company name, so no stealing please, or I'll hex you) and I help people be better with social interactions. People generally use those skills to help them be better with women, but that's their choice."

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~ Rye

problem with most PUA material is that they seldom teach how to deal with social interaction in a business situation where masculinaity is the key and professionalism + some aggressiveness will get you far, so PUA material is rather very specialized social interaction aid.

Actually, Fratguy, you're still not getting it bro.

The social dynamics we learn to be a PUA, sure they are taught FOR the purpose of picking up women, but they WORK for MUCH more than just that. They are just a fact of everyday interactions, seriously.

"Its about building a life"

thats why mystery stresses this point . . .its not just about picking up women its about everyday life things like LA said. You can apply this stuff anywhere and look at where each of you are now and who you are friends with and the community you have built around you



my two cents

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I love to never tell people but then pick up girls like crazy. I have this one bar in my town I call home base, and the girls that work their always recognize me when I come in. The one hot bartender gave me a free drink and goes your the guy that picks up all the girls in here aren't you? I don't say anything they think I'm a pick up artist but they will never find out. I will never tell them anything like that.

See to me being a pick up artist is like being in fight club and you just don't talk about it. I don't tell people because not everyone is ready to understand that stuff. If I go tell random people yeah I can pick-up girls they wont believe it's true. If they witness me doing it all the time and ask me for advice that is different.

The girls that work the bars never have been told I'm a master of women, but from what they've seen they know it is true. So that is how you do it, I wouldn't advertise it to much. Let the pick-up speak for itself.

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if i had some feminazi getting on my case for picking up women, I'd tell her to get her ass back in the kitchen.

but really... Al Pacino said it best in "devils advocate"
the point, as it relates here is that you shouldn't be getting in fights with feminists in clubs because your claiming to be a PUA... because you should never be claiming to be a PUA when your sarging.

Nah I wasn't claiming to be a PUA and we weren't in a club, this was a non-sarge situation with two friends, and it actually started off as a discussion between the feminist and I about having certain standards placed on women. She said it was "wrong" for me to expect certain things out of my girlfriend. The AFC comes in and says "don't you know about his bullshit theories on women?" and it just kind of snowballed from there.

OMG, like the feminist wouldn't have expectations out of a man.

LOL, I know... it was pretty ridiculous but it was one of those arguments where nothing you say would make her think otherwise.

She was trying to convince me that when I meet a girl, I'm not allowed to screen her for the qualities I want in a woman... as if I'm supposed to meet one girl (at 19) and marry her???