Hi Guys,

Need advice. My game is lacking some serious pua skills. First fat bitch, dumped me because I lost my sexual frame and became a pussy. I know that. I also know that same thing happened with the next fat bitch. But, I want to know how I could have scored the other fat bitch which dumped me yesterday. So here it goes -
Met her from a dating site.
1st date: Went for coffee. Lots of DHV from my side and IOIs from the target. I gave her a hug and a kiss. She said she is not a big kisser on first date. I said that is not a problem.

2nd date, we went to a museum. She gave her home address. We spent almost the whole day together. Jokingly in the museum she said, if she were a bad girl, she would fucked my brains out. I said to her, we could definitely do that. Then at the park, she showed her legs and said she hasn't shaved but it doesn't matter as she is not going to sleep with me anyway. WTF.

3rd date: We went for lunch. I picked her from her place. Went back to her and things were steamy. Sucked her boobies. She was moaning. But she said, she doesn't want to have sex. I said that is fine. She is lot bigger than me and kinda dominating. She began to tell him how she likes it in the ass and she is very sexual blah...I thought bitch, then WTF. I should have taken my cock out. But I am not experienced. She told me that she has 2 ONS and can count her sexual partners with 2 hands. I fucked up and told her that I can count mine with one hand only. Shit. I became a pussy from that point onwards.

4th date: Same shit. We were making out. Squeezed her boobs. Took her to the bed. LMR. I said fuck it. I just came out of her apartment. She said hey just because she is not having sex, I am leaving. I looked her and said nothing. She said give me kiss at-least. Next day, she texts me as I was going to CA. I said we will talk after I come back.

5th date: I invite her to my apartment. We were watching a movie and she became emotional and began to cry. I didn't make any move. We made out and she left. She told me that I am nice guy. BAM that was the last nail.

6th date: Took her to dance class. Had fun. I am in her apartment. I thought its now or never. Initiated kino and there it comes "Oh I really like hanging out with you but I don't want to continue this romantically" I said why she didn't tell me before, I just walked out of the apartment.

I know, I know. I became a AFC pussy. She started calling me kiddo which meant that she thought she is better experienced as I babbled that I had less than 5 partners.

So here are my questions -
Q1. How to not become a AFC pussy. I have something called nice guy syndrome. You know what I mean.
Q2. How to be more in control? How you guys do it? I shouldn't have opened my mouth about sexual partners and stuff.

FYI, I wasn't interested in a relationship. I just wanted to bang this bitch. But she wants to get married soon. I know I have lot to learn, but one thing I am doing right for sure is seeing multiple girls. I have a number for next weekend. Couple of girls are interested in hanging out with me. Also, have a 3rd date this Sunday.

Q3. On the third date, this girl wants to go for lunch or dinner before her trip to Boston on Monday. I don't think, I can F-close her as it will be difficult to pull her to my apartment as she is surely going to say that she needs to pack or something after dinner or lunch. I will give her a smooch at-least. That is my plan.

What you guys think? Please advice on the third date as well. I really want to shed this pussy to be honest. Enough.

Thanks in advance.

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Any advice guys?

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See, ya are what ya are in this world. That's either one of two things: Either you're somebody, or you ain't nobody.

You have to respect women or else they are not going to respect you. You have to genuinely be interested in the girl you want to bang. Try to figure her out, and calling girls bitches doesn't help either.. unless she acts like a bitch. All girls are different and unique, and your goal is to make everything mutual, make her and yourself believe that nobody is better than you and that you're no better than anyone else. She will see this, ease up, respect you, and eventually let you in. If you pursue a girl you're truly interested in, you'll act like less of a pussy, because it will come off as natural and it will be natural. You won't have to worry about acting like an AFC pussy or acting like a PUA. Just be smart about what you say. One of the many PUA mottos, "leave the girl better than how you found her."

P.S. She sounds like a girl who feeds off attention, thats why she was keeping you hooked. Move on and find someone you're genuinely attracted to and not some "fat bitch".

I'm not sure what the right advice is, but on date three there was a great opportunity just to flop it out. 50% of chicks will just start smoking your rat.

Your 4th date you fucked up. Instead of just walking out and being all reactive (I know it pissed you off, it pisses me off like fuck, too), you should have said OK. And just employed a freeze out to see what would happen.

This was not about you having less sexual partners than her. Remember, you can know more about sex even if you don't have as many partners, as long as you're good. It has more to do with your frame and your mindset here. You were reactive and she noticed.

How do you be more in control? You DON'T TAKE HER SHIT. You DON'T REACT to what she says. Nice guy syndrome? I have it too. But all that is is being reactive and needy, wanting her more than she wants you, and therefore taking her shit trying to have her accept you.

Are you sexual? Do you have good eye-contact, kino escalation and so on? Are you confident talking about sex? This is also important. Not that you need to talk about it. Your mind-set should be "I know about sex, am confident about it". You don't need to mention it to let her know you're the fucking man.

Anyway, just learn from this experience. Next time be a little more ruthless in escalation, read up LMR and you should be good to go.

Too long, didn't read.
But this is what you get for dating fat chicks and condoning their unhealthy lifestyle.

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why the hell are you waisting all this money on fat girls lol but i can tell from reading your post the problem i see

1st your need to have more of the buyer frame as oppose to the seller... in other words don't act so sexual needy.. when your in a seduction location escalate until she really resists because girls will say no we cant when in actuality they do wanna bang.. it's just with girls they wont wanna make it easy for you to have sex especially early on...

to make it short being a sexual beast only in a seduction location.. escalate until she really resist and when she resist completely stop what your doing back up and do something else.. show disinterest and then try again

Thanks guys. Lessons learnt.
1. Stop pursuing fat "gut" hanging bitches. Complete waste of time and money.
2. I need to learn some LMR techniques.
3. If on a third date, no make out or fuck - say next!

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100% agree! Don't date fat chicks!

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I don't f*ck fatties

Why didn't you just fuck her on the 1st date?

All you wanted some pussy, and she should have known that you couldn't control yourself. YOU'RE A FUCKIN SEX CRAVED ANIMAL. Don't hide that shit.

Let her know you CAN'T control those urges cause she's too fuckin hot and play rape that whore, that's what she wanted anyway.. she wanted you to dominate her & make her your little whore.

Instead you believed this, "oh I've only been with 10 guys" BS when she was fuckin countin knuckles fool. KNUCKLES on 2 HANDS!?

You're a fuckin pussy eatin, twat stealin machine who can't help but TAKE that fuckin pussy..so get out there and fuckin take it. Be a man and not a fuckin bitch.. that's what they want. That's what'll get any nice guy laid.

-oh and btw "nice guys" don't always finish last.. women crave that shit too, but when it comes time for somethin sexual.. don't hold back.. escalate, escalate, escalate.

Tell her you aren't normally like that, but there's just something about her that makes you not able to control yourself. Then kiss her so fuckin hot her panties melt the seat... if that don't get u in the first night after 2-3 passionate escalations.. a 2nd date attempt is ok.

If you aint got any ass by date 3, let her think about you for a while. The longer term relationship of when you finally call her back a month later will be easier to seal the deal.

Nothing wrong with fat chicks. I like all kinds of girls. But anyways yeah you need to call her shit out. When shes testing you and saying dirty things you need to Man the Fuck Up. Go for it and tell her in some dirty but classy ways how you are going to take her and make her cum hard. Also just pull it out and see what happens. Use you dick as a gauge to see weather or not she is game or just playing games.

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way too long man- people are busy, write shorter posts

nothing wrong with fat chicks, if that's your thing. They got all the assets.

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after reading your post i feel you are taking these girls out on WAY to many dates and not escalating enough.

But first we have to go back a little bit..... and a little i mean a lot.

If you are getting LMR and the LJBF shit you have not done ur job as a PUA of correctly escalating ATTRACTION. If she was attracted to you you wouldnt have either of those things.... so obv she wasnt attracted in the first place.... thus she is just using u as a huge tool.... (aka she will let u take her out but nothing more..)

If you want the end result you cant just skip through chapters 1 2 and 3.... u have to build attraction...comfort...and then have an "Emotional connection". Ya its bullshit. Ya its super lame.... i get it. But it works...and it works like magic. Then u will NOT have LJBF and LMR.

Iv gotten laid now by 2 girls iv know for literally 15 minutes because of my ability to build attraction fast, then comfort, then an emotional connection.

In conclusion you are doing the right thing... and that is STUDYING this subject. many people learn something and then never get any better at it. you are on the right track by seeking knowledge. Keep studying. you will get better. PM me if u have any other specific questions, im more than willing to help,

GL
DUKE

You were being too needy. never ask for sex or a kiss, etc. Always suggest it.
Example. You look like you want to kiss me
Her: No
I didn't want to, it just looked like you had something on your mind.

Then try to suggest it again

Also
When kissing, if she sticks her tongue down your throat, and you haven't build enough comfort, (7 hour rule, mystery method) Push her off, to show her she has to earn it. When she feels she has to earn it, she will start jumping on every opportunity that you suggest something.
What you did was the opposite, Threw in a bunch of DHV stories, but obviously showed too much interest, neediness, nd when you got rejected you would throw a fit, which shows your DHV stories are bullshit.

Bottom line you're a AFC, and clearly you don't like fat girls by calling them a fat bitch, so start gaming girls you arephysically interested in so you show them some respect. Don't think because they are ugly they are easy. Have some standards. the point of game isn't to fool other people. It's to truly become what you show. Mystery really says no to hot women if he feels the need to, and I doubt he says "Okay Im gonna trick her." Most likely he thinks "Well, she disrespected me, and this does not fit my standards, I will find someone else"

Become what you create, don't act it.


Also above poster is right. You went on too many dates, you must get to the seduction ohase 7 hours after comfort is reached. But you skipped comfort, and tried to get a fools mate. Not only did more time pass by, but you got rejected.

What you should have done was, Attract, (Open) Comfort(first date,) After 7 hours, either seduce or make plans for next date which will be Automatic Seduction phase after a few minutes of comfort.

Here is what you did. Attract,Seduction, fail, Comfort a little, Seduction, Fail. Comfort, Seduction Fail.