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I've not read any of ross jeffries stuff, except for the newsletters. But its just not believable to me, like the river 'below me' thing. I heard about october man a long time ago and i was always curious cus its so controversal. But if it does work that would just be amazing, im kinda into the crazy chicks so i think its best of not telling me. If what you say is right would'nt that be like fucking with their heads.


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What I want to know is,

Is there a way to release the girl from the conditioning? I really don't want a HB slashing her wrist...
I once ran a boyfriend destroyer on my own girlfriend (Wanted to get rid of her. Worked too!) so that may work, but to be honest I've never tried.

The thing is, there's plenty of even more powerful technologies out there that aren't "forbidden" and are safe to use. Especially the Ross stuff.

I think for the right people it's a useful thing to learn because of the tools that are within the sequence that can be used on their own. By 'Right people' I mean PUA who would think twice about using OM for real.

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Hey guys

I have read most of the October man sequence and I have tried parts of it out too. In Jeffries new model of speed seduction he uses signal recognition, which is very close to October man and I have used it with great effect.

Here are the basic steps of SRT;

1. State elicitation
2. Amplification
3. Anchor it and turn it into a symbol
4. Fractionate
5. Make a filter
6. Stick part of it to you

State elicitation
There are many ways to elicit a state in someone, the best way is to ask a question, and where they get that feeling first. So what I do is say the following (please note that I also use embedded commands and self anchors in this to). You can also use quotes and/or other people experiences.

“I was talking to my friend Sara about how she knows when she really likes someone (self point), like maybe you can (sort of I/you shift) just be sitting there looking at that person (self point) and you begin to really listen intently (embedded command) and you can just know that you like this person (self point). Sara says that there is a feeling that she gets inside that lets her know, like maybe she can feel butterflies or get a tingling sensation. So if I were to ask you what is the first internal signal you get on the inside that lets you know that you are interested in someone (self point).


Amplification
As Ross says, naming something makes it real, describing it brings it to life. So this is where find out her sub modalities about the signal she gets. So lets say she goes for butterflies (very common), I then ask, “so how many butterflies are there in there?”, she will reply with a number (usually 10 for some reason), so I then ask “what if you were to feel 20?”. You then ask where that feeling moves, it is typically up into the chest and then the head. You will start to see the shift change in state, they may even blush a little. I then follow this with “not many people know this, but feeling have colours associated to them. So if you were to picture that colour clearly now, what could might that be?”.


Anchor and turn into symbol
So now we have a colour, I then get them to visualise that colour in them, going from their stomach and into their chest (or whatever way they described) and change the sub modalities i.e. make the colour more intense, make it warmer, remember to calibrate. Now this is when you want to be anchoring the state. So what you do is imagine you were holding something in your right palm, so turn it facing upwards. Have it about the height of the bottom of your ribs, so it is her peripheral vision. “Say take some of that colour and make it into a shape or symbol in my hand” and look at your hand when you do this.


Fractionate
Have them really visualise the symbol in your hand and raise your hand up so it is level with your should. This works like a sliding anchor already, as when you rise something it makes it more intense. This is what Ross does with the sugar packets with the waitress in The Game. Then say “now notice when I move it away (outstretch your arm behind you) that the feeling get less don’t they”. Not only are you utilising a sliding anchor, you are also getting ratification that it is working. Next you say “now notice that as I move it closer it gets bigger and stronger”. When you do this move it slowly and up towards their face. As you do this go into the state more yourself. Remember this is something you do with them, and not to them.

At this point you can put the symbol inside their chest and take it out again. You can keep doing the sliding anchor and moving it away and towards, each time make it get bigger and stronger and go into state more yourself. You can also get her to exhale and it gets larger, breath in and it gets smaller.


Make a filter
Now once you have finished playing about with the fractionation, put the symbol between you are her and make it large. Then say something along the lines of “see this isn’t was is really important, it is what is behind this that is important”. I then either lower my hand to reveal me, or I do a gesture of connection between me and her. This gets her seeing me through the eyes of attraction/lust/desire or whatever state you have elicited. I did this once with trust as the girl had a bad relationship with her dad and had an issue trusting men.


Stick part of it to you
Before I finish I always take some of the symbol and stick it onto my chest. This is basically anchoring this feeling to me. When I do it, I do it in her peripheral vision, basically under her chin.


Now I know this all sounds bollocks but it does work. The first time I did this on someone the girl nearly fell off the sofa when I moved the symbol away. I did this last week with a girl (the one with the trust issue) and because we were sat down it was too hard to make a filter, so I just played around with the energy instead. I took the symbol and stuck them to her glass (we were in a pub) and she watched that glass like a hawk. She looked and me and asked if she could take a sip (it was her own drink, but I had set the frame where I was in control and leading) and she went for it and drank down the good feeling.

All of this is clearly demonstrated in the Hyper responsive DVDs from Ross Jeffries. The more advanced stuff is the secrets of arousal DVDs. I believe that you can purchase all of these products from Chocolate Thunder. Contact him for details.

I hope this is of some help to you all and you go out there and try it. Remember I thought it was bollocks too until I started playing about with it. When you do it, be commanding and not all joking. Go into the states yourself, so it is something you both enjoy and experience.

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Great post, Mr Kendall. I can see the follow up questions already! hehehe.

You obviously know your stuff. SRT is awesome - fractionation in itself is particularly veeeeery powerful if done right.

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Yo, it is Matt from Manchester if you didn't realise.

I want to learn more about the fractionation process. One of my mates was at the recording of Jeffries secrets of advanced etc etc, he said it was amazing to watch him do it.

One thing that I have learned is that you really do have to have the right amount of intent to make of the NLP/SS/hypnosis/energy/magik stuff to really work. When I first did SRT was joking around and of course nothing really happened. The next time I went into state myself and really did it with more intent and I got great results.

If you want to purchase any of the Jeffries stuff then talk to chocloate thunder as he can sort you out with it all.

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Good info Chocolate, Kendall. :)

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What I want to know is,

Is there a way to release the girl from the conditioning? I really don't want a HB slashing her wrist...
actualy its sort of the opposite rj has a sequence its actually pretty easy

crisis rythm
first make her picture the most distasteful moment in her life not somthing she hated just somthing she disliked and was disgusted by or saddend. This is tricky as most people would not do this becasue most people dont want to picture this then make them tell you which color it is then have them describe the picture for you then Then tell her to close her eyes and picture their lungs pumping the colored liquid with each breath they take tell them to take deep breaths than you create a rythmic beat while they are doing this the beat must be consistent with the breaths they take thats crucial. Have them do this for about three minuetes they should be filled with tha same feeling they had when they had this unpleasent moment. Then throught the date make the rythmic beats they will associate over times the unpleasent moment to you and they may begin to dislike you

but you shouldn't worry most people come out of the october man and the crisis rythm with a maximum of a weak as they are both conditioned responses you need to keep applying it for it to work as it works in the subconsious level

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What I want to know is,

Is there a way to release the girl from the conditioning? I really don't want a HB slashing her wrist...
Made one up for ya. How's this?

You know that GREAT FEELING you get when you have a DEEP CONNECTION with someone? And even though it feels really FANTASTIC when you are with THIS PERSON (point to self)and you know that once that CONNECTION ENDS there is ANOTHER PERSON waiting around the corner (point AWAY from yourself or to another person), Don't you agree that is the BEST?

Hope that helps

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This method only works for me when the mood is set to a more intimate and less playful manner.

Also, the girl should be open to being touched.


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it goes away the more you use the anchors it also slowly goes away with time.

And you could try counter NLP/Hypnosis/Suggestion. but I'm not an expert in that.

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"I've been on a bunch of the forums lately, and I've noticed a trend. A bunch of guys who are very new to the avenue of tactical seduction, have been posting questions asking about advanced techniques from " The October Man Sequence" to some very high level inner game stuff.

Seeing this makes me depressed for them.

They are caught in the ball of hype that says that you can attract and date the most attractive women even if you are smelly, ugly, socially awkward, introverted and shy. All you need is this magic tool or trick or routine. And that's simply not the way the world works. You can't be a lame guy and just learn a bunch of tips and tricks. furthermore you can't be socially incompetent and then apply a thin veneer of game on top of that. You need to fix these issues before you even start thinking about learning some advanced shit.

When I think about the fundamentals, I think about the following.

Grooming, fashion, and maximizing your natural looks. This one is easy. You don't need a ton of money( check out second hand stores like Buffalo exchange) but you do need to have clothes that are in style NOW. Not 5 years ago when you were last single. Not clothes you are holding onto from college, etc.. You also need to take care of yourself. I recommend hitting the gym at least 4 times a week. It will boost your self esteem and make you have more energy etc.. Get a nice haircut, you can always have your barber copy it for cheaper if you take pics. Bathe and get a good deodorant/cologne combo so you smell nice. Simple stuff not enough guys do before bootcamp. Hell even experiment with one of those over the counter teeth whitening kits.

Eye contact- If you can't make eye contact you can't play. If you need to, go to a strip club and sit in pervert's alley( the front row of the stage where you have to tip) and focus strictly on holding EC with the naked hottie.

Vocal projection- This is HUGE. NO student is EVER loud enough.EVER. Do a quick search online for vocal projection exercises. Practice this. Hell start singing kareoke if need be.

Tonality- Practice speaking until you have a wide range of tonality that can convey emotion. Don't be like Ben Stein in Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

Basic conversational skills- Can you have a normal conversation with someone where they walk away thinking you are normal? Or do you need to cling to routines, cocky/funny, patterns etc.. You need to be able to have a pleasant conversation with anyone anywhere simply by observing social norms and not doing things that are creepy, needy or boring.

Leading the interaction- I don't even mean frame control at this point I mean being able to make decisions quickly. Not hemming and hawing around on what to eat, order, or sit.

Body language- Spend some time in a mirror to eliminate any ticks or weird stuff you may do unconsciously.

Fixing that stuff alone should help most guys who have their shit together 500%. Then you can add some gamey elements, like learning to tease, touch, tell stories etc...

But the point is all of us came here for a reason. You have to destroy and rebuild, not simply slap a layer of external technique on a lifetime of bad habits.
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I agree

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This routine is probably one of the hardest ones to pull off successfully.

Your inner game/frame must be at its strongest and you MUST practice using your voice in a calm, but clear tone.

Also, don't get so hyped up when doing this. Both of you must bring out your subconcience(didn't spell this right) in order for this to work.


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You shouldn't even be thinking about this technique without having at least a few years of in-field experience with NLP and SS...NOT REGULAR GAME.

You'll hurt yourself if you try it.

It's like trying to do a 540 degree spinning hook kick in the air while juggling knives when you're just a white belt in taekwondo.

Stick to the basics. OMS is "forbidden" for good reason.


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I've gotten a hold of IN10SE's version, both the book and audio files.
I studied them in depth, along with reading supplemental materials, and I think I have an amateur grasp on the concepts.
The first time I tried the full sequence, I was shifty and not sure on the inside, but I promoted a mask of self-assurance and comfort. It went well, eventually leading to an f-close, because we were alone in my friend's room, and I was using many MM techniques.
I began to study the fundamentals and certain facets deeper, until I had the confidence to be able to go into a SHARED TRANCE. I believe this is the most important part of OMS. If you begin to fall into the same wave as your target, you know it is working.
The second time I actually went through with the entire sequence, I was much more confident and it went without a hitch: f-close.

I still have my doubts about my strength in NLP and particularly OMS (specifically for the reason that it is a strong "forbidden pattern" that requires extensive knowledge of NLP), but I feel my inner game is tight and I can project a confident frame. I enjoy the speaking patterns and tones, in which almost anything I say can be anchored to my actions.
I don't like speaking of NLP much though, because people tend to get pissed about inner circle shit, which I have little knowledge of.

Though I don't base my entire PUA skills on just NLP, I use it when the constraints allow. My major skillset relies on MM and a lot of Inner Game.

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