Hi, I was thinking about NEGs and in my opinion they could be very useful in certain situations...but in this situations with a normal nice girl what can be used in the moment when we can't find nothing contestual to say?

for example if I decide to pick-up a girl that is alone, if I go there and start any argument...an alone men that builds a conversation with a nice girl that is alone! 99% is not there for the conversation only, and the girl knows it from experience! In my opinion is better to open with a simpatic neg in similar cases, just to not make the girl feel pressured and unconfortable. But if I don't know her is difficult to invent at the moment...

Another example could be in a set when I'm in A2...I have a target but she doesn't interact...but if she doesn't I need to do it from myself if I whant her, the ideal thing to say in this case is a NEG, because she could feel pressured and her friends too.

Theese are two situations where a NEG can be used, now that we know it we need some material to use, we must already know what to say without overthinking in that specific moment. My idea of a genial NEG is to say something that we don't like about women behaviors or psychology in general and ASK to the TARGET whyyyyy are women like that????? what does she think about?? is she like that??


Now the point is to find good arguments in this sense, what do you suggest?

I was thinking....women aren't good drivers....women talk alot....whomen are more stressed than mens....

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Negs don't work! At least, not in the sense that you're saying. Obviously the point of a neg is to knock the woman off her high horse, but if she's not ON a high horse, then its just going to backfire! And here's why i don't like negs: When you say something insulting or demeaning to a woman, she's going to question your intentions. 9 times out of ten, she's going to think you're saying it because
A.) You're a douche
B.) Your past failures with women have had a negative impact on your opinions of women
C.) You're trying to get into her pants (which is actually the case)

Negs should only be used SPECIFICALLY directed towards her and only her, and should only be used when a woman thinks she's better than you because you're hitting on her. But there are better ways to devalue her ego, so i don't recommend it.

Whait...there is a difference between NEG and insulting, a good NEG must be funny and you must smile and never give the time to respond at the girl, the NEG scope is to let the girl qualify herself. An insult is a negative think about herself launched with no smile and without saying nothing else, at this point even if you are funny the girl will attack you (if you say a negative think about somebody and wait for a response it will be never positive).

I was thinking about a typology of neg not directed to the target, but simply a simpatic question/opinion asked to the target about females behaviors that we don't like. In this case we aren't insulting her but we are creating an original conversation with a stranger without let her think that we are trying to pick her up...because nobody with the intention of making impression would speek about a similar thread to a girl...but it could be an interesting conversation with her!!

So I was thinking about some general arguments that can be lauched everytime in every situation

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If that were true, all these jokes about "bitch, make me a sandwich" would actually get me a sandwich. Instead it gets a bit of disgust mixed with butthurt. NEGS DON'T WORK. Get that through your head. Funny or not, its not going to do shit for you. If theres something off about her appearance that you don't want to tell her because you're afraid of making her feel bad and she asks anyway, this might trigger her own self consciousness and get her thinking about whether you like her or not--But doing that in a manipulative way is just scummy and fucked up.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't be HONEST with women about their flaws, or even that you shouldn't joke about them. You shouldn't be INTENDING to make them feel bad, it should just be an honest observation. I told a girl when she faked smiled it looked horrible. It DID. And when you joke about women's flaws, it shouldn't be about making them FEEL BAD, it should be so they don't take their flaws so seriously anyway.

To sum up, in case you didn't hear me again... NEGS DON'T WORK.

If Negs didn't work, the description of the Routines forum would not include negs. You just don't know how to neg. And that whole thing about the "high horse", that is why you calibrate your game. You have to determine what her social value is before negging and choose an appropriate neg that will lower her value accordingly. Also, "Bitch, make me a sandwich" is not a neg, that's a stereotypical statement and an insult. A neg has to be something that can be said about anybody, but your target just happens to be doing it at that time, like having eye boogers or something in her teeth.

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"Do you think women have a clue what goes on up here? What do they think, it's all stock quotes, drill bit sizes? They don't know shit! Let's keep it that way."

I know this has been beaten to death, but, a NEG has been taken far from the intended purpose. Mystery can run the classic "Nice nails, are they real?" Because he ASSUMES high value from DHV stories and magic. He drops them, and before a girl can really blow him out he rolls on with a DHV. This of it as classic push pull.

How I run NEG's, and most guys who get negs to work run them like David D suggested you run Cocky Funny, dead pan. Think Cajun on Keys to the VIP.

I have got good success from the formula from the 'NEG' of "Thats an interesting pair of shoes. I saw another girl wearing them today and they looked good on her." I would not say that specifically, but when you deliver it correctly it works.

When a guy opens and comes in correctly (Slightly higher energy based on style, fun, playful, and not taking the interaction seriously) and goes dead pan she KNOWS you are messing with her. It is a form of tease. It is playful.

She thinks, "Who is this guy?" but not in a way that she is insulted, just in general.

The line is to not insult. Think of a toned down C/F line with a different delivery. The neg disarms her. The NEG does NOT remove her value, but removes her b-shield as you stand out from every guy. It needs to be a bit more audacious to accomplish this than general teasing.

If you do not think NEG's work, go watch Cajun on Keys to the VIP. His style is not mine (Low Key) but how passively he drops the line should be a good indication.



As far as a Universal Neg, you should have general tease and Neg lines as well as C/F in your tool box to spring. I would not start an argument early on, unless its very playful and its going on. This would take SUPER calibration. I mean, you need to KNOW she is interested and come compliance.

Later on I tend to spark attraction in rapport comfort when things slow down and get to buddy buddy by misinterpretation of what she says, than playful accusations of her trying to either step up, cause trouble, or something else along that line. Delivery is the key to this. I think you know this, but it must be stressed.

I would feign away from a play argument early on, even with good calibration, because you can blow the set. I think other techniques fit in better.

If you want some general stuff to toss out and spark conversation, I LOVE, "Oh, your one of those girls." It is general, odds are she will start qualifying herself, and it gives you material to riff off of with teasing and a few conversation threads to follow.

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