Hi guys,

Well I just found this forum and joined. I also have had NLP training back in the 90s, I'm an old guy. Back in the day I had a lot of fun with NLP getting into casual things and shared erotic states. But since I'm single now I'm going to try and apply an in love anchor to someone I really want- and report the results.

NLP can be very useful for a great many things, not just women. The previous is an important statement.

Coming to the forum I reviewed a number of patterns (some I already knew and had practiced). Some of this has been around for a good while. I'm not going to describe what I ran, because it's my belief that if you are going to use this tool, it needs to be understood, not simply used- which can lead to damaging your subject.

"Do no harm". But as long as you do not harm- do as you wish.

So obviously I have a bit of an advantage as I have an NLP background, but I'm going to describe the outcome here- not how to do the pattern. Except for some descriptions of your own frame that will serve you.

The Target:

The target for this is a woman who is very close to me. Sort of a "Fromance"- friend/romance thing. She semi bisexual, mid 30s, involved but not anchored. We are very close. Probably about 7.0. Not a sloot. Very genuine. We've never had sex or even kissed. I've known her for two years.

So anchoring an "in love state" to me... is not a problem, and presents no negative consequences. The pattern I constructed might not stick- but it won't damage our friendship. There's a convoluted art to building patterns.

Remember when you attempt to use a pattern, you may get unexpected results. The reasons for this have to do with these patterns, while seemingly formulaic, are not. You may take a pre made pattern and have success, but to have consistent success you have to be prepared in a number of ways.

1. Understand yourself and your personality. Knowing this will allow you to tailor a pattern, or make your own, which suits your personality.

For instance, much of Ross J's material, as written, will not work for me. Saying something like that is out of character for me. A successful pattern has to come *from you*. You can frame and anchor all you want. If it's out of character for you- you will receive unexpected results.

2. Build rapport with your target. If you are just looking to get laid, you just have to find a target who is biologically receptive and work your natural game. But if you want something transcendent, for a night, or a longer period, you have to do your homework. You've got to be perceptive about the person, to find the opening with which to work your magic. If you do not understand the bolt... you have no chance of making a wrench work.

For instance, you need to realize that a pattern will not get you ANY WOMAN you LOOK AT. Claims that you can.. are false. It can increase you ability to attract women and have more success. But it's not magic. It's hard work. NLP is a tool. Misuse the tool and get bad, or destructive results. You've been warned.

3. Never anchor an in-love state in a non consensual manner. If you believe in karma, watch yourself here. Sometimes people using a pattern make the mistake of "upping the game" by moving from manipulating a sensation, to manipulating emotion. Unless you are willing to put out emotionally... don't play with emotions.

If you want to anchor an in love state- please make sure the person loves you. In state of "in love" is not a rational state. And anchoring to that feeling can mess someone up badly. If you do not care about that, feel free to take a walk in traffic

Example: In the 90's I worked with a guy who used to anchor emotional states to himself in the sales process, mostly when dealing with women. He left behind a number of women who were essentially anchored to him through various states (essentially he went for the easiest anchor he could identify). Just to to get a sale. The guy was a real bastard. He eventually ran into a woman who practiced NLP at a higher skill level than he, and she caught him, then left him kind of an emotional wreck. That was karma. He didn't know for a year what had been done to him.

4. Much of NLP only works if you believe it. You have to be firmly in your frame. If you do not have a strong frame, you have nothing.

For instance... if you are a squirrely thin glasses wearing guy, who stumbles over yourself. You have two choices... change your frame so you transform... or *embrace* who you are now, accept all of it, and project congruent energy. This essentially means: accept yourself as the sexiest nerd around. (you would be amazed at the guys I've known who are knee deep in trim only because they are comfortable with themselves). What you believe changes the world. It's an energy thing.

For Example: I'm a 220lbs hairy mid 40s italian guy who should be shaving his head because of the ridiculous bald spot (baseball field) on my head. I'm heading into early retirement with a little bit of gut and a bad attitude. But I do really accept myself, and like myself. That's a good frame. It's also the basis of "natural game". I can be myself. I'm cool with me. If you are not getting any action the mental state needs to be fixed first. Looking better can help. But what you think of yourself is the biggest cockblock. If the problem is mental- you could work out for years, be built like an Adonis, and still sleep alone.

Reference: Last summer I had a hot fling with a 110lb 21 year old with some nice body tat work, and some piercings. I happen to be very hairy and shed a lot. No it wasn't money- I didn't spend any. I'm not that special. I'm just ok with "me". That makes a difference. You connect, then convert. Some of the NLP "seduction techniques" say body first... then heart and mind. But I happen to think it works both ways. I got her... with mind- because... my body and money wouldn't be enough

So on to my little experiment.

I won't anchor an in love state without consent. I can use the tools of NPL to get laid, or negotiate business, but I will not mess up someone's heart. So bear in mind this woman has feelings for me.

The pattern:

1. Get the emotional state identified by the subject.

This was of course easy. I included some questioning by me to flush it out. I also confirmed to her that there was mutual feeling. Note: At the beginning of any good pattern you create, if you are doing it right, you will enter the same state as the subject. The pattern is a shared experience- not something you *do* TO someone. It's possible to run a pattern that way... but results are usually bad.

2. At this point, we're working with a trance state shared by the two of us.

While you are running a pattern you can communicate and compare feelings. At best- they should be the same or similar.

3. Anchoring.

I'm skipping some things here. But but the anchor is a command. "Listen to me- this is very important". This is given in the shared trance state. The command is given and the anchor is made.

The result:

I asked a few questions about the experience, asked about her feelings, and let her know this was "our place". I also let her know I would not remove myself "from her" under any circumstances. (Note the erotic undertone of that, I'm actually anchoring two things)

These were the responses I received:

Me: I will not remove myself ever.

Her: "Good, I like you in my heart" (Score!)

Me: "Are you happy I showed you this?"

Her: "I am very glad you did". (Success!)

Me: "Are you scared?"

Her: "No" (Excellent- this was intense.)

Although we are close friends... these are very heated responses. At first glance- the anchor took. (And I'm damned happy with that and will follow through).

I did not lay her tonight. There's time for that, I'd like this to simmer a bit. I didn't kiss her either... she just looked at me with beaming devotion. Almost worshipful. I'll make this physical in the future. When we hugged... there was a different energy there. I certainly could have had her. She would not initiate due to the way I did the pattern, but one touch from me would have unlocked a torrent. She was a little shaky, flush, and restraining a pretty high state of emotional and physical arousal.

Her last words to me walking out the door: "Good night , I love you."

This was new. We were close. But now we are something else.

Will it stick? Let's see. It was a good pattern, it achieved results. She returns home (1000 miles) tomorrow morning. We will see what the results are over the next few weeks. Running the pattern was a great experience. And I want to see if anchoring an in love state is going to have her flying out here weekly... what happens going forward.... and what the results were.

I will say that if the shared trance was any indication, this was a profound experience for her.

No- I will not reveal the pattern... learn this stuff. Build you own. And have an enhanced natural game

I'll post success or failure. Daily if needed. I'm as interested as you in the result. I know I didn't do any damage- but will it stick?

Hmmmm....... Let's see.

Good points, and there's no evil intent. I didn't work the angle of what's known as a forbidden pattern. I'm working with positive emotion, and not providing a negative consequence.

The exercise was not to create an obsessed zombie, but rather to provide permission for emotional release. All I did was re-anchor her positive emotions about me and amplify. I never created a state where she was without them or deprived of them.

I totally agree that working emotion can be more productive, but only in certain frames. This is a frame where an affection was simply tweaked, with consent, as a shared state. The "love state", was simply amplified to an "in love state", amplified further to a larger unnamed state which she was allowed to "name". Then she was given an internalization (command) and ownership of the feeling as a personal possession, but anchored to me.

You are right about the application of NLP to PUA from the standpoint of goal. If you are working with the kinesthetic simply to open a sexual avenue- that is quite simple. To have a high success rate however, it's a good idea to know what you are doing.

So I think we essentially agree, depending on context, depending on the goal or the subject, it can be as easy as fixing a hangnail, or as complex as heart surgery. If you do not have heart surgeon skill, you cannot work with those who have heart problems.

Getting a girl to spread her legs- that's a hangnail. Getting a woman to amplify her emotions and devote- isn't heart surgery- but it's a bot closer than the other.

I've got some stuff to report on this which I'll post late tonight. There's some fairly interesting outcomes.

One other thing Tony,

The subject in my reported case has an IQ of about 160, and can hold long conversations about extremely challenging subjects.

A piece of context I left out. If they are smart, your tools have to be a lot more subtle at first.

Just my observation.

Tony, I'll definitely follow up on this one. So far the results have been positive, and yet unexpected. You'll understand more fully when I have my own thoughts put together about it.

I'm glad you noticed the "let her name it" move. That is an exceptional method for not only making a anchor stronger (because *she* named the state), but it also allows you to gain more information about what her emotional relationship is to YOU- assuming you are amplifying feelings that are related to you. You could also use this method to find out if an emotional/physical anchor you have made previously, is actually the emotion or sensation you think it is.

So when you amplify something in a pattern, you can drag up all kinds of stuff with it. It's good intelligence work as well. The more you know right?

This can apply to casual encounters as well- here's how....

First, take something like Ross J's prefab patterns and modify it so it deals with a positive emotion rather than Chocolate. For instance, everyone "loves and desires" "love". That's an easy one.

Pick some chick you just want a casual thing with, but you've either been unsuccessful with or just not feeling it in regards to your frame. And instead of running your pattern like you normally do and just getting your result- try something a little different.

Build a bit of rapport so you can get her into a comfortable physical situation with a bit of natural game. Plan on burning a few hours at the coffee house or on the couch.

Frame a deep personal conversation.

Once there... run a pattern amplifying love.

Keep amplifying it and probing for what is attached to it by subtly re running the pattern but never anchoring. Try to pull up as many positive states as you can. Sensations, emotions.... and intuit which are related to what.

You can then use an implied visualization in this "conversation". I always visualize the things being describes as balls of light. So as we are going through this "conversation" I move them with my hands....

Example: "I really can feel what you are saying about this" (move the ball to the side) Then bring out another state, amplify, then do it again. Allowing her to name each one, or name it by providing a descriptive noun or verb for the state.

If successful, you have a visualized set of positive sensational or emotional states set before you.

Once you figure out which are dominant (for instance, love, might always take a second seat to "erotic" ETC) then you know what to ANCHOR to get your intended result.

It's long, drawn out, and can be complicated. But there's a good reason for building a pattern like this. See the following....

10 years or so there was this woman I knew who was bisexual, and leaned more towards women. She had an amazing set of lips- I mean insane!

On the natural side of the game, I created a friend. But you know what I wanted to do with those lips right?

She hated oral sex with men, I knew this. So I built and ran a similar pattern with her (took three hours). I found out not only what her strongest sensations and feelings were naturally, but how she was put together and driven.

So Tony- you seem to know this stuff fairly well. Let me ask you a few questions:

What did I choose to finally amplify?

Why did I let her name it?

What did I anchor it to?

Quick update... this message received tonight:

"I am telling you this seriously... you completely dominate my thoughts. It's not only distracting, but it makes my heart hurt sometimes. That I can't be with you. I don't want to get to the point where my heart hurts all the time."

We are separated by some miles... but intended effect achieved.

Yup.

She's committed.

I call bs here. There is always some NLP guy saying he's doing it in a positive way. If that makes you feel better than fine but the truth is you went after her just like any other guy would based on opportunity, attraction and horniness.

I'm not saying there is anythign wrong with that, I'm just saying to be straight. NLP is manipulation and so is Pua, TV, drving to work, everytihng is.

You more than "committed her", you put here in a deep state of infatuation which could easily lead to an "in-love" state or obsession. Once again, I'm not saying that is negative or positive, I'm saying what it is.

You sould fairly educated at NLP so let's continue the sharing. i would just prefer to do with the blinders off...