First I have to say I don't really text. I mostly set up dated with calls etc.
I just tried it because it seemed to be working for a few friends of mine.
I can't really tell what is going on without any physical cues so I need your help brotheren

This is quite long but I'll bold the parts I find important. I'll make music stuff smaller and try my best to make it as simple as possible.

So I met this girl on a Saturday night, had only 20 minutes before she had to go home with her friends.
She seemed quite interested, smiling the whole time, teased her a bit, made her laugh, neged (or whatever you call it) with sort of disappointed/"seriously?" look after she said something silly (to which she cackled), talked about music which we seemed to both be into and got her number at the end.
I'll call the day I met her DAY 1

DAY 5:
MJK (21:35): Hey "her", it's MJK. We met at "club" on Saturday. What's up?
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DAY 6:
HER (16:27): Hey MJK, working... What are you doing?
MJK (18:04): I'm tinkering with a website, it's a little tedious but with good music everyhting is fun. What do you think of "music artist"?
HER (21:01): Yeah, with good music, everything is possible. This whole week was so tiresome, honestly I didn't have time to listen to "music artist". What do you think of "band1" and "band2"?
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Day 7:
MJK (14:24): I was typing the wrong name, no wonder I had some weird stuff popping up. You praise them so much that I have to listen to some of their songs
HER (14:36): They are great, listen to "the song", which is in my oppinion their best one. They are new, they released only 2 albums I got to hear some of "music artist", I like your music choice...the keyoards in "song" blew my mind!
MJK (14:57): "music artist" is a genius, but he is just one of many phenomenal artists. I'm a little bummed for people for whom music is a side thing, they don't know hat they're missing really.
HER (15:19): You like the "her band"?
MJK (15:40): Honestly, their sound doesn't get old. Generaly I don't listen to old timey groups but I listen to them. We have to switch to SPAM, typing is tedious.
HER (16:00): Mmmm, "her band" is undisputable. I don't have SPAM on my phone, because it bugs out. And I don't open private mails and SPAM on my workplace.
MJK (16:29): When I get home I will send you some more good songs. Got some quality headphones?
HER (16:57): Sure, you have to. Got decent earphones but nothing special.
MJK (17:27): I got nothing special either. Canyon earbuds. But I'm saving for some top notch speakers and something else which I won't be revealing yet. It's going to be trippy.
HER (17:42): I'm planning to buy some good speakers for a while, but can't get to it..I love loud music.
MJK (18:12): Got a nickname?
HER (18:36): Why? Got one
MJK (18:57): "her full name" is so formal. If it's some unusual/wacky one, even better. Don't make me give you one
HER (19:52): "cute nickname" Everyone calls me that, since my childhood. At first it sounded weird to my new friends, but I got them used to calling me that.
MJK (20:37): Hehe, "cute nickname". Adorable. You're luckily left with super nickname. What kind of striking nicknames we gave people in Highschool...some of them stick for life.
HER (21:07): I remember people from Highschool by their nicks only, I'm really bad with names You got a nickname? And...how do you like "band1" and "band2"?
MJK (21:15): Well "nickname1" of course (introduced myself with my nickname1 on the first night) They call me "nickname2" as well. Now I got some free time so we'll see.
HER (21:27): (says some spanish stuff corresponding to my spanish-sounding nick) Is there an interesting story of how you got it? At this moment I'm listening to "song I gave her", I think I broke the repeat button I'm in love with keyboard sound.
MJK (21:49): (fun little 4 sentence story of my nickname2)
HER (22:07): "my nickname2" haha, crazy. My, I couldn't wait for weekend, I'm so happy, in the mood You going out?
MJK (22:26): We usually go out on fridays and saturdays, but got no plans for tonight because Uni people woke me at 6. But tomorrow is the night out for sure. You? Having fun?
HER (22:40): Tonight, I'm resting my soul in a hammock, but I'm going to party the whole weekend, starting tomorrow morning! It was so great in "club" last Saturday was it?
MJK (22:57): It was great...shouldn't have mixed drinks though Hey, let's see eachother on weekend.
HER (23:21): For weekend, only if you're up for joining me and my girlfriends..I'm having my best friends from "neighbour country" for a visit, so I'm planning to see them during the day and as well in the evening at "club city" Repeat from last Saturday
MJK (23:37): You're adorable. To jump into a reunion with best friends haha. We will probbably go to "club city" also so I might see you there
HER (23:49): That's good also Ignore my typos, these touch screens drive me mad, it always counters me when I type fast
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DAY 8:
MJK (00:07): Hey, this "band1" is super. Singer got phenomenal voice. And from "band2" I like "song" and similar to that. Now I'm goanna find something chill for the hammock.
HER (00:17): I knew you would like "song", probbably because of these irregular rythms. You have to listen to "their other song", and from "band2" "song" - you MUST watch it with the video! They are the best P.S. I'm still listening to "keyboard song"
MJK (00:34): If I'd give you my music collection you wouldn't go out of the house, I have to be carefull (gives her 5 songs)
HER (18:00): You like that electro jazz sound?! I like "band"..
MJK (19:27): Oh yeah it's "type of music". It's rare unfortunatelly. (4 music types) I fell in love recently.
HER (20:17): Yeah yeah, "type of music"..it's great Did you listen to "their other song"?
MJK (21:14): Not bad. Some of my favorite songs got that spooky mood. Taking your friends for some fun tonight?
HER (21:32): Of course, they have to see "the club" Not bad??? It's phenomenal..
MJK (21:55): Haha, easy there, I need time to attach to a song
HER (23:25): When it comes to the songs, I either like it on first listen or not..
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DAY 9:
MJK (01:57): At this moment, I'm not responsible for my messages, have fun (drunken message I don't remember sending, riddled with typos)
MJK (14:06): (sending couple of songs) Had fun last night? (feel like this one is a big mistake)
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DAY 10:
HER (13:51): Good, good, it's so chill I had great time with my friends, like I was in another dimension. You? What was that message on Saturday night??
MJK (20:45): (just found about the drunken message) Haha, go figure. I had a great time. I was in alternate reality of my own. The things I saw that night, you wouldn't believe :O
HER (23:30): I don't know what you saw that night, but I know that the time we live in is such that unfortunatly, nothing can surprise me..
HER (23:31): A man have to chill and follow his principles.. Good night, zzzz..


So, do you think she's still interested? As a friend or...? I don't know lol
Am I smothering her, texting too much? The way I see it, this is a perfect time to stop texting for a day or 2 and then text something silly and see where it takes us.
What would you do different, how should I proceed and how would you try to set up a date for the second time with the girl that works and is really busy?

Thanks in advance!

Well the first thing I noticed that is a big IOI is that when you sent the first text saying her name and hello she repeated yours and followed with a question. Also almost every smiley face you put is followed by the same smiley face from her Big rapport on these 2 things

Now what you should do is to make things more direct this gets the cloud of friendship out of the way. Calling her adorable was met with an endearing response so further cudos there.

The only other thing i could comment on that has got you in the door with her is that she asked you to come out with her, which if i was you i would of jumped on the opportunity to see her. It was presented well you never said you were going because of her you just said you would already be there which is a good move.

The only negative thing i could see is the whole music related topic as it was a good starting text you should change the thread and avoid staying on the same topic which may become boring.

As for me i would throw in some qualification to increase attraction and I am telling you she will most definetly bite on it brochacho. For example what i recently used is "You remind me of my ex girlfriend she was cool but a total sheep you're not a sheep are you?" (credit to adam L) sheep refers to a slave to there social circle a quality I hate, but use this qualification to weed out any trait you don't like

You can replace sheep with flake if you dont want to be flaked on. Otherwise this is great stuff man your most definetly passed the hook point so sit back and enjoy being the man

Hey, thank you so much for bothering to read all this and respond with a genuine advice.

I didn't mention that she's pretty much a 9.5 (10s don't exist), good personality, grounded etc etc...runs a fucking half-marathon for fun
Pretty much a dating material, so I didn't want to rush it really.

Yeah, I pretty much knew the music thing was dragging. Tried to move the conversation elsewhere a few times but she kept going back on it
About joining her and her friends. It just felt out of place. Only if my buds and I were genuinely going to the same "clubbing area", but we didn't.

I agree on picking it up a notch...to be more direct. Would you agree that I should chill for this day since the ball is on my part of the court, and reopen tomorrow with something edgy?

Thanks again, repped. You seem to know what you're talking about.

Would love some more opinions though. Maybe I should shorten it somehow.

EDIT: Guess I can't rep yet.

I think now its about meeting there is to many times in an interaction when people let silence talk for them.

This doesn't really help any situation, because a desireable women will move on she has better things to do then wait around. With that said you not responding for a day is fine it is to short a time span for things to change drastically. Freeze outs are risky moves though and I personally use them as a last result. This doesn't mean you should be initiating all text first, but take a happy medium between who initiates.

Her being on the hook point now means she will make sacrifices to see you and invest into you, an investment you should take in a calm and collected approach.

Find out her schedule for the week and then...

Do a low pressure date, dont even call it a date. Just say something like "I'm going to be out and about at (such and such time/day) for only a hour or two lets do lunch I can't stay long i am meeting some friends after for _______." This way you build a meeting that has very low pressure since you aren't staying long.

What you should do though is to bounce to a bunch of different places. Another anecdote i can give you about my personal experience is after going for lunch we went to a park and then after that got ice cream at a local place. Now this was well over the alloted time I originally displayed, but thats the point.

Last thing I want to touch on is I really hate coffee dates this is so low pressure its high pressure. It has become internationally known that if someone says lets do coffee with a big cheesy asenine look on there face they have every intention of being "horny guy"

Hopes this helps you with your dating endeavors

Your boy preps

Thanks again preps.

I don't really see it as a freeze-out. I'm a busy and desirable guy as well, had some family issues...brother got left by gf and he got a bit depressed and needed some comfort and advice (which is the truth) so didn't really feel like chatting anyway.
And I feel this pause is a good way to up the pace a little bit, without it feeling awkward and forced.

Cheers again, will rep you when I get 1 rep pt.

No Problem glad you appreciated the viewpoint.

Yea I know I was just preaching about freezeouts haha.

Let me know how it goes for you, as always I wish you the best in your dating endeavors.

Went better then expected. Kind of caught me off guard.
Keep in mind that this is translated so it sounds less rough in real life.

(continuing where we left off 2 days ago)
MJK (14:57): Hey, I'll be on TV tomorrow. Want to accompany me?
HER (15:16): To keep the fear away? What's the occasion?
MJK (15:39): I'm going to be all over the news. Planning to rob a bank with water pistols, and I need an accomplice. Up for it?
HER (16:37): Sure! Which bank? When is the action? I can only join you if I don't have to go to ________ by business.
MJK (17:19): Tomorrow at 18 just before the closure, when there is the most money. Target is ___________. You wear something sexy to distract the guards, and I'll take care of escape vehicle and the masks.
HER (17:40): So the plan is totally worked out.. No sexy outfit..I'll have to go directly from work, if it's at 18...
MJK (18:07): Goofy! I got a chill day tomorrow so we can meet a bit later... Somewhere between 18-20.
HER (19:02): Well, then all the banks would be closed, only ______ in my neighbourhood, haha Let's go somewhere around 19-20..not sure when I'll finish this..is that ok?
MJK (19:37): Well in that case, we will have to pillage the candy store Chill, call me when you're done.
HER (19:54): Ok.

Maybe I could have ended it less messy but what can you do.

Ha! That bank thing was rich was definetly a smooth and interesting opener.

I think the interaction went just fine short and sweet. The goal with text game isn't really to accumulate time like you would a phone call or an in person encounter, but to do exactly as you did schedule a meeting while showing rapport.

Well done enjoy the date!

I like your bank robbing line mate, very smooth
How was the final result from all of this?

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Guys, I'm no expert but she puts a lot of smiley fuces!!!

This will be a little long but I really need and objective advice which is not comming from my friends.

Well, it basically ended like this
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She seemed enthusiastic... called me TWICE before we met.
Then the date happened. Then no answer at all.

I must admit I'm sometimes socially uncalibrated... people I know longer find it hilarious/adorable but it might freak new people out (or maybe I'm too harsh to myself?).
Only things that happened that could have ruined it were these (ordered by relevance):
1) I asked her if she got a boyfriend. Maybe the question was out of place, and she kind of made a little scene (could have been jokingly) where she said she felt interrogated, repeated the question 3 times then said "No, I don't have a boyfriend" calmly with a smirk. Then I laughed and said "I like you a lot, you know".
To clarify why I asked: She's one of those enthusiastic friendly girls and I really couldn't tell if we went out to a walk as friends to talk about music, sports, high-school etc. so I had to ramp it up. It at least felt right at the time. As well I asked a couple of my girl-friends and they said the question was perfectly fine.
2) At one point she started going dark on me when she went talking about how she had to put her dog down because of heavy illness, and that they couldn't tell to her aunt because she had 2 strokes so she might die of stress etc... where I interrupted her saying "Sorry, can we change the subject? You're getting a bit dark on me *smiles*"
3) I wasn't contributing to the conversation as much as she did. She talked like 70% of the time... maybe I looked disinterested.
4) There were 2 "awkward silences" where I looked her in the eyes for like 4-5 seconds.

Other then that it went perfect, maybe even some of those bad things I mentioned are actually good ones...I'm not really objective when it comes to me.
I suspect number 1, but after every moment I mentioned she kept going like nothing happened... with smiles, hair flicking, trying to keep the conversation up and then she asked me to go to the mother fucking private party with her! Looking good!

Right before we went our ways she reminded me not to forget some free club tickets we got at the table (why would she care if she got freaked out?) and then she said we'd exchange SPAM so we could communicate better... then a hug, kiss in the cheek and she went on her bus.

So after that no answer to 2 messages and 1 call for the next 4 days.

I'm not really a phone wiz so could be a phone thing, but I think my call was directed...so this is what happened when I tried to call:
1) I got a voice telling me that number has been moved to another network and that I've been redirected.
2) Then it rang for like 10 seconds, and suddenly got cut off without any of those messages like "user busy" or "user not responding"

I talked to my girl-friends about it and they said I did nothing wrong, that she might be testing me.
I talked to my guy-friends about it and they said shes just a bitch/phone problem.

I must admit I'm a bit obsessed now, I don't like being ignored.
If it was obvious to me what happened, I wouldn't care.
If I got a message right now saying "We shouldn't talk anymore" or even "FUCK OFF!" I'd be dancing right now... seriously.
Another thing is, she knows we're going to the same club every weekend and that we're bound to run into each-other eventually. Why would she want to make it awkward for both of us? She knows I'm a chill guy.

But now I got like 4 options:
1) not interested
2) testing
3) phone problem (something to do with network transferring)
4) busy? (she knew not to respond for 1.5 days before...it's been 4 days now)

Any thoughts that might help me? Fire away, I came here to improve.

a few things
this is bad. there is no point in asking that question. repeating it was very bad. and the "I like you" line is so AFC it's not even funny..
the rule is that if she brings up the boyfriend you shoot him down. you can either use a straw man, or just laugh it off "yeah? I have a goldfish!". if your moral standards are against being the lover of cheating whores, then eject.
but no need for you to inquire about it, AND no need to confess any kind of feelings at that point.
the way to "ramp up" is called kino.
practice the eye fucking.

OH, and btw - the fact that she was nice to you at the end of the date means little if nothing. I had a date where the girl tongue-kissed me at the end, and half an hour later was texting that she was totally not interested in a second date. nice, huh?

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Good stuff, thank you very much. I know what you mean.

Have to clarify something though: regular kino (hand on waist, shoulder, hug, cheek kiss, high five and similar) doesn't mean much to me or to the girl, where I come from. I did kino but I do the same kino with my girl-friends...even guy-friends. And people expect it here.
So I can't really tell what's going on until I inquire...but yeah should have done something else for sure...it's easy when you think back through it after it's done.

"I like you" was more in the "You're cool" or "You're super" way. It's not easy to translate it properly.
Not sure what you meant there.

then escalate it.. you start slowly, and then move to more explicit kino.. and then go for the k-close
still no you are the prize - she needs to qualify to you. not viceversa
in my book that interaction, in terms of value, translates to: "do you have a BF? I am asking because I am pretty sure that any other guy is higher value than me. so my only chance is if you are not taken. otherwise, any competition will win hands down over me. I am so low value, I am a nice guy. you know, those nice guys. the ones that get friend-zoned every day. miserable me!"
google it up: "eye fuck"
it is a great solution for any possible awkward silence. it's not awkward. you're eye fucking the target.

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Great stuff, you put my mind at ease.

Will defiantly not use it from now on to see how it goes.
But yeah I kind of cringe now when I think about it.