So here's were I am at i can consistantly open sets and get to a hook point
I can multiple thread and get on to multiple topics dhving myself, I have a
small problem with negging (probably cos i only do day game) but my
real problem is closing I don't know if I've got enough attraction and
comfort to ask for a number or a second date, whenever i get close i just
eject by saying I'll see you girls later, I feel slightly awkward like I don't
deserve to number close already because I don't feel like I know the girl
and I know the girl doesn't know me, it just feels fake.

I don't know why I can't seem to get a number close maybe because I
don't want to ruin the investment I've already made, by attempting to
number close and making it awkward and losing what I've already got,
even though that's stupid cos if I eject I never see the girl again anyway.
Any advice would be grateful, thanks.

Sounds simple but work on your inner game.

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Yh i do need a bit of work on inner game, any suggestions for books would
be great thanks. Also how would you know when to go for the number close
after 2 ioi's, and how do you shift from your routine stack onto comfort building.

Perhaps reframe why you want her number. You don't know her yet and she doesn't know you yet. So the number can be about getting to know each other more. If you've qualified her as someone worth knowing more about (which you should be doing) then you can say, after doing so "I need to get going. But you seem like someone worth getting to know a little more about." And that can be the premise for the number. If it makes you more comfortable you could even disqualify yourself a little like "I'm probably not in a position to do anything too serious, but you sound worth getting to know a little more."

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[quote="clearspeak"]Perhaps reframe why you want her number. You don't know her yet and she doesn't know you yet. So the number can be about getting to know each other more. [/quote]

Yh i think thats the frame of mind I should have, thanks for that i think i
understand it better now, I can't wait to go infield and use this frame of
mind, thanks for the help.

For inner game, Check out Hypnotica on youtube. Read "The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida.

As far as number close, 1 ioi is good enough for me. Cuz I have my inner game down, I come on real strong/confident, it's hard for her to turn me down. I also escalate fast.

*Would definitely recommend checking out 60 Years of Challenge's materials. It's the best around!

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@JimD Thanks man i just watched a few Hypnotica videos and they're
pretty cool I'm looking to get the book you suggested soon to and read
through it, sounds cool and thanks for the advice, its much appreciated.

fuck inner game bro, ive just hit a new level in game, dont get stuck in conversation land you need to move things forward meaning let it get awkward but aim for results its about not giving a fuck about anyones reaction, remember its about the skillset not about peoples opinion of you. offend women if it means proving a thoery, learn how to kiino, you need to set the proper vibe, i mostly can set this vibe when im really in state i can express my sexuallity and intent properly
when youre instate you think youre the coolest mofo anyway don't worry aobut inner game and certainly dont read about it. jus go out and have faith

Setting the proper vibe is Inner game.

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being "in state" stems from inner game lol

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i dont know how you do it but i am a state junkie, i noticed that validation will generate state, and state will "fix" your inner game, so as a newbie in my experience validation leads to state and state leads to inner game not the other way around at least not for me.

i think learning game is perosnal, we approach this learning process differently based on our own problems, perspective and interpretation, there's never one specific way to get better at game

i believe once you get enough reference experiences of being the shit your inner game will become better cuz of evidence. believe me my inner game isnt bad, in fact its only getting better, im finally doing crazy shit in field cuz ive let go of social feedback