I don't know whether they are right or wrong, an I don't care.

My opinoin:- So many people are out there NOT being themselves that it seems normal. So many fakes out there. "nice guys" (AFC's) an they have safety in numbers so they all group together to drive us open minded guys out.

Its the way nature unapologetically weeds the wussy genes out of existence,

I am very strong minded now, if 20 guys had one opinion and I had another, I would still think I am right,

SOCIETY is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard, thats the fake reality

I AM A REBEL AND REFUSE TO FALL IN LINE WITH THE OTHER SLAVES TO SOCIETY MUHAHAHAHAAAAA CALL ME RUDE LAZY COCKY OBNOXIOUS SCHIZOPHRENIC AROGANT CHEEKY WEIRD STRANGE DIFFERENT ETC ETC THESE ARE JUST LABELS SO YOU CAN DRAG ME DOWN INTO YOUR DEPRESSING REALITY

CUT THE EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL, MANIPULKATIVE BEHAVIOUR, I DONT CARE, I DONT CARE THAT YOU CARE,

being strong minded is appealing to girls aswell, an can be use as a neg

just because someone doesn't spend majority of his life talking to random women doesn't make him a mildly retarded, socially inept person.

The PUA is one extreme, the world of warcraft nerd is another, while the MAJORITY of the world lies in the middle, people who probably have to work, study, do whatever and they are socially experienced enough to not having to invest all their energies to get laid.

oh yeah, tell me ESP routine isn't deception.

@ Frat

Why is playing a game with someone deception?

Cold reading has been around for a thousand years.

Your not telling them your a licenced psychologist, and if they really beleive your reading thier minds...

I was not referring to the persons character for not being a PUA, i was refferring to thier character based on thier attack of us, while having almost 0 knowledge of what it is we actually do.

You seem, like them....to assume that PUA is only about picking up women.

So far in the last 2 months, PU has helped me infinatly more with family, friends, and my job...then with women.

I beleive i speak for most of the people here in saying that if your in this community its because you needed to change your socail life at least. With the exception of a few people on these forums most of us had issues with socail interaction period, less mentioning women.

Why do people that arent a part of it look negativly on people wanting to make themselves more social, and ultimatly more comfortable around the opposite sex?

Furthermore let me ask you, did you even bother watching the video?

Secondly, im guessing your advocating them bashing PUA lifestyles but for me to bash a non-PUA lifestyle isnt ok? (think about this one long and hard)

Sounds to me like you need to consider why you are involved in PU. Is it just for women because if so any long term member of the forums and anyone who is an experienced PUA will tell you your in it for the wrong reasons then.

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Honestly I love these two!. Why?
Same reason why, I dont want to curb check the guy that was talking like a big idiot about mystery and the PU show.
(O yes that thread is gone)

I love people like this because it just re affirms my stand on living life! People like those two make me proud that I can live the life I want to. I can meet the people I want to. Date & have options with assorted females. I can be happy with my improved self!
I'm happy just being alive as opposed to existing, being miserable and talking high & mighty against ideas in which there is no original opinion or understanding.

Oh bless their ignorance, for it helps my game.


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"cant we all get along?
no? good "

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haha yea i guess they are the robin to our SPAM, without them we'd all be AFC again...im as against being AFC again as a convict not wanting to go back to jail.

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I agree that most people on this forum has social issues, but I disagree the issue has to be resolved by focusing on techniques that allow you to interact with women. Without the proper confidence and inner game, you crash and burn, bad.

Personally, instead of memorizing techniques to sarge chicks, I began to develop myself into a true alpha male, a leader of MEN. For the first couple month of my transformation I didn't really interact much with chicks at all (too busy with works and business of my brotherhood), but once you lead the men, women will follow.

Frat, something that you need to realize, along with all of the other anti-canned formula guys, is that the canned material does have it's purpose. It's training wheels. You don't believe me? I don't care. Just pick up Style's new book and find out.

The guy seems like he's pandering to the girl. He's probably doing this stuff because it's his wifes idea.

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A man like me have better thing to do in life than memorizing materials. Canned material may give you the short term boost that you need and certainly benefit gurus who sell their materials and earns a living from that, but true man should be leaders rather than followers. PUA methods can only tell you what you CANNOT do, such believe in the religion of pussy (that is, putting pussy on a pedestial), but NOT what you should do, that's up for everyone to discover themselves, and it's the best long term appoarch.

Everyone should be in charge of their own destiny and tranformation, Canned line don't do that for me.

That's an interesting point.

And somewhat true as well in my experience.

Create a new kingdom, call it whatever you want. Get some followers who will give you fame and enough notoriety in the mainstream pop culture and you almost guarantee success with women for yourself and those around you.

And of course the money angle.

Hey, whoever said Mystery was stupid.

Like I said, there's a difference between using this stuff as an educational resource and being obsessed with it as a some sort of lifestyle, cult following or what have you.

It's human nature for weaker personalities to want to associate with stronger ones. This is a survival mechanism.

Can you stand on your own two feet, or are you just faking it? That is the question. Because in the end the truth has a way of finding everybody.

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well said. Most people are programed to to lead people who are weaker and to follow someone stronger, and I believe this is the basis for much of the "alpha male" based game. However, how can a recovering beta male become alpha? Many material here WILL help you to APPEAR like an alpha, but are you truly alpha then? Sure, it will work if you geniunely believe you are alpha, and for some, short term success transform to long term transformation if the success of sleeping with multiple women alone enough can make him believe that he's the leader of men. unfortunately, that transformation is often not deep enough nor persistent enough.

The way a lot of short term material works is that they ask you to take on the APPEARANCE of an alpha male. An example of that would be fake time constraint. It works, because it's an alpha behavior. An alpha male is often busy since they have aspirations in life so he can't devote his whole time to the persuit of sex. I am studying my ass off for medical school right now and couldn't call my current gf for two weeks while we were starting to date, and women are attracted to that behavior, but when you aren't that busy and you fake time constraints, I truly believe that you need to find something else other than women, which occupies your life to the point that you are geniunely busy. (Note I don't mean fake time constraint in its usual application. I am talking about not calling someone for 3 days, like that.)

I am going to study medicine, and a big part in any sort of therapy is its long term success rate. Canned material is like Tylenol. It helps you to recover from a moderate cold but all it does is to suppress the symptom. For a person with serious illness, drugs like that don't cure, but will mask the symptom instead.

And that is my whole issue with canned material and hard structures. For a person with serious personality defect (analogus to someone with cancer), you can't just cure them by giving them lines and routines, you need to cure the core of the issue, say, why are they unconfident, etc, with psychotherapy. Same way you have to give a cancer patient surgery or radiation.

Again, this is just my personal opinion.

OMG. So, every guy that needs help in the beginning needs psychotherapy? Come on, Frat.

So, since using someones lines and all that bs is just that bs, why did you ask for help in the beginning? We gave you things, w/o giving you specifics, but that wasn't good enough. Not until someone gave you SPECIFIC IDEAS for you to use. Then you said that's what you're looking for.

You're going into medicine. One medicine doesn't cure all.

You are better off realizing right now that not everyone is the same. Some need training wheels longer than others do.

And, that fact DOESN'T make them any less of a man.

P.S. PUA material, at least quality material, does tell you what you should do, as in giving you the attraction switches you need to know for attracting women.

I think canned material can be a double-edged sword. I believe it is
great for those not understanding the concept and who need in-field
experience and some good examples to start.

On the other hand, some guys will get caught up in this when it starts
to work and never develop mat'l of their own... forever using the
canned material as their own. IT IS NOT MEANT FOR THIS. Frat, you
are right to an extent, but it seems you are using the guys that do it
the wrong way as the leading example.

It is, and should be, "training wheels" as I've heard so many times.
This isn't a rock hard analogy, but it is kind-of like learning a new
language. You can get the book of canned phrases that will "get you
by". If you read out of the book enough, it will start to stick and now
you will eventually use it without reading the book.

In order to truly learn the language, though, you need to learn the
principles behind the language and be able to develop sentences
yourself. There will be times where no canned phrase will be able
to help you and you need to understand the core principles to help
yourself. This is what I consider "calibration".

The canned phrase book was very useful and it got you started
and excited to learn the language, but is only meant as a reference
guide. Some guys don't get this.


As far as the false time constraint, I see where that can be construed
as not congruent to your personality, but I don't see it as being
detrimental to one's morals. I might have more on that, but I will
save it for later.

What some of you guys seem to be missing is how the analogoy of training wheels is used when referencing canned material.

Since most of what you say is done through body language, not words...it doesnt really matter what you say. The canned material is there to act as a crutch to use while you calibrate and re-learn your body language.

After you get things like tonality, facial expressions, and posture down then you switch out the canned for the original material.

Also for the real beginners it offers an answer to the "what do i say to her?" question.

Obviously as PUA's with some experience you wont need or want to use canned material.

The whole point of this post isnt canned material, or even peoples veiws on what PUA encompasses...the point of the post is to comment on the video.

Its funny in some ways and frustrating and angering in other ways.

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