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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:57 am 
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Hey, thx a bunch for the pdf. I'm runing through it as soon as posible, and I will try 2 find the Gambler's game, I wached his videos, and heard his audio's on pick up, but surely the guide has more 2 tell

anyways, thx a lot man, u'r great help :D


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Dear Starbuck,

1) I would love to get an email too. I'm star-buck-struck. :D

2) This one is for my parents. They've been together for decades, and recently I've noticed that they have been getting on each other's nerves more (could just be holiday stress but who knows). They also talk a lot less. It seems they can anticipate what the other party is going to say before they say it, but not in a good way. I know that in marriage sometimes couples take each other for granted, but I want to know if you have any solutions to this problem. How do you deal with this type of thing with your wife?

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Dear Starbuck,

1) I would love to get an email too. I'm star-buck-struck. :D

2) This one is for my parents. They've been together for decades, and recently I've noticed that they have been getting on each other's nerves more (could just be holiday stress but who knows). They also talk a lot less. It seems they can anticipate what the other party is going to say before they say it, but not in a good way. I know that in marriage sometimes couples take each other for granted, but I want to know if you have any solutions to this problem. How do you deal with this type of thing with your wife?
Thanks for the kind words Roads. Will do.

In response to your question.. Listen, all couples have issues to deal with from time to time. It goes with the territory, and is especially prevalent in the winter months when it's cold and people naturally spend more time indoors, etc..

It's how they choose to deal with it that's key.

We all know that by some measure 'familiarity breeds some degree of contempt' for most people. And we all know it's very difficult not to take someone for granted, especially one that you spend most of your time with, especially after a number of years. And of course we also realize that none of us are perfect (no not even me :lol: ). And that we all have unique habits and mannerisms that we've acquired over the years that have the potential for bothering others (these diminish over time).

Therefore, accepting these differences and these truths within ourselves is a key to dealing with them. And of course forgiving the other party for their perceived transgressions against us.

My wife and I are always getting after each other, in a cocky/funny sort of way. If you observed it, you would probably think from time to time we don't like each other. But the reality is a little more complicated than that (and comes from years of successfully dealing with it, and a prior failed marriage apiece). We are simply 'venting' our frustrations', etc... So they don't build up inside, or manifest themselves in other potentially more destructive ways.

Now there's a difference between doing this, keeping it all in perspective, getting over it and forgetting about it, and making a conscious decision that you cannot live with the other persons behavior. Of course this is a much more serious problem and requires examination and discussion and even a change of behavior to resolve. Both parties need to be able to do this in a healthy relationship. Think of it as nothing more than the ability to negotiate and compromise.

The thing that often separates successful couples and those who are not, is the ability to do this and be willing to abide with the compromise itself. Along with having a firm understanding of what constitutes proper and considerate behavior itself. Some people just don't have these internal pillars (maybe they had a poor example as a child of what a healthy relationship looked like), or are simply unwilling or unable to do so. Or it becomes a threat to their own perceived personal happiness itself (I call this the blame game). Where one person chooses to blame the other for what's not right in their life, or the opportunities they think they are missing out on by being committed to this other person. You see this in a lot of younger couples. Who often get married for all the wrong reasons, and aren't mature enough or ready for the challenges of the relationship game.

These are the couples that often separate under such circumstances.

In the case of older couples they may even rationalize that since the kids are gone, the whole reason for the relationship no longer exists. And they do not wish their choices in the final stages of life be hindered by another person. Especially if they consider the other person unreasonable or just unlikeable in some way. You know, people change over time. More when they are young, less as they get older.

I hope this helps. Like social dynamics, relationship dynamics is a complicated topic. But it all really boils down to this...

Do both parties value the long term relationship, and wish to remain in it? And are they willing to adapt their inner and outer game within the relationship to that end? And if not? There's really very little that can be done to salvage it.

I suspect your parents are a lot like mine. You're only seeing the surface of their relationship. The part they allow you to see. Some times it seems they just don't like each other. And occasionally they don't. Par for the course my friend. :wink:

I wish them and you good luck in this regard.

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Monday was my first night of actual sarging and it went surprisingly well. I used the "Who wants to buy me a drink" opener twice and neither went extraordinary but at least I did it. Anyway, I was talking to these two dudes I know and I see this chick talking to my friend, all of a sudden this chick comes over and gooses me in the junk. I played it cool, mostly because I was so surprised, I did not want to react because I figure that might be DLV. Later in the night, I approach the same girl and she splashed a drink on me and later spit water on me, I played it off like nothing, but I feel that was the wrong call. Any suggestions?

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Monday was my first night of actual sarging and it went surprisingly well. I used the "Who wants to buy me a drink" opener twice and neither went extraordinary but at least I did it. Anyway, I was talking to these two dudes I know and I see this chick talking to my friend, all of a sudden this chick comes over and gooses me in the junk. I played it cool, mostly because I was so surprised, I did not want to react because I figure that might be DLV. Later in the night, I approach the same girl and she splashed a drink on me and later spit water on me, I played it off like nothing, but I feel that was the wrong call. Any suggestions?
Look, if a chick comes up and grabs my crotch and I'm into her, I'm doing one of three things. I'm goosing her back, I'm starting kino, or I'm trying to isolate her. Nothing DLV about it.

Apparently, she goosed you as an IOI. And instead of rewarding her for it, sounds like you basically ignored her.

Splashing a drink on you, and spitting water on you was her way of paying you back for you making her feel rejected.

Chicks often react much worse to rejection then guys. And they often feel rejected for the strangest stuff. So, next time a woman comes up to you and does something similar to this, start kino, put your arm around her or respond in some fashion, if nothing more than to build some social proof with other women in the bar.

And if you approach her later in the night, she wont consider herself your last choice. She'll be looking for more of that action. :wink:

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Hey starbuck. I recently just discovered what my 'sticking point' is. My 'style' is basically cocky/funny and it always works to get the girls initially attracted to me. But the problem is I dont know when to turn off the asshole and I find myself eventually working backwards and the attraction kind of dies because I wont stop being a jerk. I guess im afraid of appearing to be too 'nice.' My questions are , when do you turn off the 'asshole' or cocky/funny and start opening up to the girl and being nice? And how nice?


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Hey starbuck. I recently just discovered what my 'sticking point' is. My 'style' is basically cocky/funny and it always works to get the girls initially attracted to me. But the problem is I dont know when to turn off the asshole and I find myself eventually working backwards and the attraction kind of dies because I wont stop being a jerk. I guess im afraid of appearing to be too 'nice.' My questions are , when do you turn off the 'asshole' or cocky/funny and start opening up to the girl and being nice? And how nice?
Great question thadocta..

I'm always 'nice' bro. Even when being cocky/funny.

Nice in this context doesn't mean neutral or passive, like a guy talking to his mom or his sister. It means pleasant and not insulting/degrading. You know, sort of like the way you'd tease a very young girl, but since this one's older, of legal age, and you're trying to get something going on with her sprinkle in some sexual innuendo.

It's not what you say, so much as how you say it that matters.

For instance, if you tell a girl you barely know she's 'stinky'. She's probably not going to like you very much and will take you seriously. But if you call a girl you established attraction with a 'little stinky' with a shyt eatin' grin on your face and a little kino, she'll know exactly what you mean.

And you'll probably be getting some 'sweet' tonight. :lol:

Now I know what you're thinking. Where did you get that Starbuck, out of your head or something? Nope, I wont give you any advice here I haven't used before. And it works. I actually tried it as a neg once, and was surprised to find out the chick liked it. Like it was a little pet name or something.

Yep, 'little stinky'. That's was my pet name for her from that point on. She would grin from ear to ear when she heard that one. I was so surprised I asked her why she liked it. She said it was an endearing term. Go figure. :lol:

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Dear Starbuck, some questions for your guide

1) You mentioned that holding your drink in a bar can be a barrier to communication, similar to crossing your arms. How is this, and if so, should we always set our drinks down before entering a set?

2) A note on smiling: I thought smiling too much in public conveys beta status, as the beta male will smile in the presence of alpha males to signify that they are non-threatening. Yet you advocate smiling in a crowd to convey positive body language. Is there a balance that can be struck here?

3) You mentioned cold approaching from the side to eliminate overt signs of aggression or surprise. I do this, and usually turn my body to face them after they first smile, or first show signs of interest in what I have to say. However, sometimes the conversation takes a bad or weird turn, and I find that I naturally turn my body out again into the same position I was at during approach. Is this a good practice?

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Dear Starbuck, some questions for your guide

1) You mentioned that holding your drink in a bar can be a barrier to communication, similar to crossing your arms. How is this, and if so, should we always set our drinks down before entering a set?
Great questions as usual, Roads.

Your drink could be considered a barrier when facing your target. It also limits what you can do with your hands.

Setting it down is an option. So is holding it at your side.
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2) A note on smiling: I thought smiling too much in public conveys beta status, as the beta male will smile in the presence of alpha males to signify that they are non-threatening. Yet you advocate smiling in a crowd to convey positive body language. Is there a balance that can be struck here?
I advocate smiling in public to show you are a happy and pleasant person, and not a threat to others.

I've never put too much credence in chimp behavior, as a sign successful human behavior. I mean if you want to live with chimps than this may make sense in this context.

IMO smiling at women is not dominant or submissive signal. It's an I like the way you look and want to get to know you better signal. A signal that conveys both attraction and comfort.

Smiling at men can often be misinterpreted as something other than friendliness (especially among men with some sort of mental affliction or insecurity), which is something to be aware of.
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3) You mentioned cold approaching from the side to eliminate overt signs of aggression or surprise. I do this, and usually turn my body to face them after they first smile, or first show signs of interest in what I have to say. However, sometimes the conversation takes a bad or weird turn, and I find that I naturally turn my body out again into the same position I was at during approach. Is this a good practice?
It can be for building attraction.

This is an IOD (push and pull) and can be helpful when dealing with a target or set that isn't emoting properly (giving IOI's) to your advances or your presence. Or for getting an already interested target to invest more in the interaction. Because hey, you're a man of opportunity remember.

It conveys, you are not going to hang out and try to have fun where you're not wanted. And you're not going to waste your time with chicks that aren't fun.

You want to reward good behavior and not bad. So if a set is acting distant, or uninterested don't just stand there facing them directly. This comes off as desperation and rewarding bad behavior (DLV).

You might as well offer to buy 'em a drink or something. :lol:

It can also be helpful when dealing with a target that is uncomfortable around strangers, or one that non verbally questions your motives. Which is especially useful in a bar since many girls adopt an attitude the size of Texas the minute they walk through the door (this is related to ASD).

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Hi which do you think is best to start with for a newbie, daygame or nightgame for practice. I was going to just go out into my local town and hopefully approach a few women as i feel more comftable opening a single person rather than a group of people.


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Hi which do you think is best to start with for a newbie, daygame or nightgame for practice. I was going to just go out into my local town and hopefully approach a few women as i feel more comftable opening a single person rather than a group of people.
Good question, and great username. I think all of us have felt like piss artists from time to time. :lol:

For someone new to the game and of legal age, night game is a better place to start for a number of reasons. The number of opportunities in the average bar is greater for one.

Night game or bar game is also a social environment. People are there to be social. And they are expecting to be approached. There is also the ability to isolate and kino. Something that is often difficult or impossible to do with say, a sales clerk during day game.

There are fewer social implications to be concerned with playing night game. And you can be more open and direct with your approach.

On the other hand day game lends itself better to approaching single targets and offers greater anonymity and less social backlash from failed approaches because targets tend to be more spread out. And it's the best opportunity for students.

I've known guys that were very good at night game, that could do nothing but stumble or blow out every set during day game. One reason are the social implications I referred to above, the other is the absence of alcohol.

In places where you are not known well, day game although sharing many similarities with night game is normally a step up in difficulty in my opinion.

The key to both is the ability to escalate/close.

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hey starbuck....
posted a field report for last night... would appriciate some critique or something.....
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posted a field report for last night... would appriciate some critique or something.....
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You got it.

Check your thread.

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