Why do good guys finish last. This is a cliche that men use all the time. The reality is that it is not true.

Being nice does not get you the girl. Being nice keeps you the girl. You will never be able to have a relationship with a girl that you treat like shit. If you want to build a relationship with a girl you need to be nice to her.

If you are being nice it very much reduce your change of finding a girl. Good girls like bad boys only on the first stages. Because it is a provocation to a girl, it’s like a red towel to a bull. She will go for it to try to change you. Being bad only will help you find the girl. It will help you in the stages of selection of a girl. But being bad is not going to keep the girl.

If your plan is never to have a relationship being bad is all you need. But if you want a relationship with a girl she won’t stay with you if you are not nice. She might say with you and suffer, but at the end she will pay everything back to you by making you feel bad.

Out of my own experience i can disagree with this. AFC/BETA's = are nice guys. This whole forum is filled with stories where there girl loses attraction and treat them like shit.

Being nice all the time will get your heart raped multiple times in life. In a relationship you just can't be nice all the time but it depends a lot on the girl to. In general being to nice will get your ass dumped. Being a real motherfucker will also get your ass dumped, you need to find a good balance.

You just need to be nice when she deserved it ( reward good behavior and punish bad ) for the rest you should just be as alpha as possible, leading her, making decisions, being the boss. Girls by nature are submissive and will follow a good leader. If your nice my friend, she will often take control which swifts power positions and fuck up nature, she will feel like the man and you become the girl.

When a girl does not feel feminine anymore you will get your ass dumped, so please stop thinking nice guys do not finish last cause they do.

I think most guys here were nice guys once and got a lot less pussy then when they became alpha males and learned PUA.

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Do not make external things like girls define your happiness or you will live a harsh life. Keep doing what you love and keep improving as a man.

It's not that being nice will cause you to lose, or even never get a girl, its all of the other beta behavoir that nice guys show.

I'm always nice to a girl (unless she really pisses me off, there must be borders!), but at the same time I'm teasing her, being playfull, laughing & even being sexual with her. This all can at the same time, while not having to be some jerk in order te get the girl. And it works, I can guarantee you.

So its not the Nice behavoir of the nice guys that scare the girl away, its the shyness, not being alpha, not taking the initiative, such things.


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people who are fake it to make it never get the girl.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with being nice. The problem is all those losers think that being nice means agreeing with everything she says, or doing heroic acts of generosity. Who says you can't be nice, but also be opinionated, competitive, ambitious, funny...

Guys who are insecure about being losers on this forum will tell you how not nice they are. They're not fooling anyone.

First of all, this thread is mis-posted. Read the sticky.
I disagree. First, girls say this a lot as well. Second, when girls talk about "nice guys", they are referring to guys who are too afraid to display their sexual intent (via physical escalation). "Nice guys" are beta males / AFC's / orbiters. Generally, they DO finish last when they are competing with alpha males or "jerks".
I disagree, being "nice" gets you whipped and betaized. When you are whipped, then most girls will start losing attraction for you, cause more drama, and, in general, make your long term relationships worse. I'm not saying you should be a dick, but you should act according to how a girl treats you. If a girl treats you like a king, then it is acceptable to respond by being really nice to her. However, guys need to know how to shut down bad behavior in a relationship. It's really, really important.
Actually, I think this is all wrong. You don't need to be a "bad boy" to get a girl and you don't need to be a "nice guy" to keep them. In fact, I think acting differently when you start dating a girl ruins a lot of relationships. It makes guys appear really in-congruent and this will cause problems.

Please read this post on the subject to illustrate my point: this-is-the-reason-you-suck-at-realtion ... highlight=
Keyboard jockeying. Guys need to lead the relationship by rewarding good behavior and punishing bad behavior (by withholding their attention, soft-next). Keeping a girl happy in a relationship depends on the girl. This is why guys need to learn to screen girls for what they are looking for in relationships.

Just my 2 cents.

-Wolf

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Screening: drama-free-relationships-1-screening-vt124827.html
Bad Behavior: drama-free-relationships-3-the-soft-next-vt125554.html

It isnt always true but quite often. Nice guys often let others take what they want and live by the rule "be the bigger man". That attitude works if you are the alpha male and can afford giving power away since you have more than you can use anyway. It doesnt work when you are on a tight power budget and that power that you give away will lower your own status and raise someone elses so that you two switch places.

However, try to grown and become more powerful and more secure and you can afford to be both the alpha male and a good person.

There is a difference between being a nice guy and a good guy. Consider that.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

You know, there is difference between a nice guy and a 'nice guy who finishes last'. I mean your friends consider you a nice guy, but you tease them as well ain't ya. There is a difference between being a nice guy and an heel-licking dork. Who says yes, ow wow your amazing blablabla. You don't do that to your friends either, now do you? It is not that you ain't a nice guy anymore if you say no sometimes. If you don't agree with something. It is perfectly normal. Much weirder is when you agree with everything, most woman want a guy who takes the lead, so if you agree with everything you are definetly not taking the lead. You are being a follower. Now I do know that there are people who find it hard to say no, so there you have the first problem. If you don't want to do something, don't do it (all right, sometimes it is a necessity, but I do hope you get the point I'm trying to make here). I know you feel like you are dissapointing people. But someone who always says yes and then he says no sometime gets more shit then someone who says often no and sometimes says yes (they will go like oh yeah he will go with us this time, hell yeah). It also shows confidence that you are able to say no.

So basically what I'm trying to say is that you can be nice guy, but you just don't want to be a spineless bastard. Tease, joke, disagree, have a little bit of an edge. So you don't have to be a dick, but you neither have to be on the other side of the spectrum.