Thanks for the backhanded insults and shaming language, but that's to be expected from the PUA community, which gets its jollies by ganging up on men like me.

I resent, and find it deeply offensive that you think that's it's all my fault that I find myself challenged by dating, when you have never met me, know what I look like, and or know me personally. For your information up until the last few years I did lead an active social life where I did attempt to meet women, but was met with a barrage of instant rejection, so please don't accuse me of having a bad or dysfunctional personality because how is a woman supposed to know the real me, when she doesn't even give me a chance? Also, I took all the cliched advice dispensed by society, relatives, women, and regrettably some of it from the PUA industry, none of which worked, so you can't accuse me of not trying different methods. I am not making excuses, I am being honest, and knowing my limitations as a man, and the worse thing a man can do, is to lie to himself, and pretend to be something or someone he is not.

And what also makes me angry is when the PUAs and other people blame me for my cursed luck with women, is that I am "damned if I do", and "damned if I don't", which means if I try to meet women and get rejected, you call me a loser, chode, AFC etc, but if I give up, you still call me a loser. When will you PUAs realise that when a woman saids no, she actually means no, what part of the no word don't you understand?, the n or the o?

You PUAs also have to understand that as man I have no control on how a woman reacts to me, or whether she is atttracted to me, at the end of the day, it's her choice, as women are the choosers and they are the sole gatekeepers of relationships and sex. Of course there things as a man you do have control over, eg. your hygiene, your dress sense, your physique and fitness and of obviously your own behaviour.

If the PUA was actually serious about helping dating challenged men, instead of insiulting them and making false assumptions (like you have about me), offer these men constructive and supportive advice, instead of making empty promises and ganging up on them.

Thanks for the backhanded insults and shaming language, but that's to be expected from the PUA community, which gets its jollies by ganging up on men like me.

I resent, and find it deeply offensive that you think that's it's all my fault that I find myself challenged by dating, when you have never met me, know what I look like, and or know me personally. For your information up until the last few years I did lead an active social life where I did attempt to meet women, but was met with a barrage of instant rejection, so please don't accuse me of having a bad or dysfunctional personality because how is a woman supposed to know the real me, when she doesn't even give me a chance? Also, I took all the cliched advice dispensed by society, relatives, women, and regrettably some of it from the PUA industry, none of which worked, so you can't accuse me of not trying different methods. I am not making excuses, I am being honest, and knowing my limitations as a man, and the worse thing a man can do, is to lie to himself, and pretend to be something or someone he is not.

And what also makes me angry is when the PUAs and other people blame me for my cursed luck with women, is that I am "damned if I do", and "damned if I don't", which means if I try to meet women and get rejected, you call me a loser, chode, AFC etc, but if I give up, you still call me a loser. When will you PUAs realise that when a woman saids no, she actually means no, what part of the no word don't you understand?, the n or the o?

You PUAs also have to understand that as man I have no control on how a woman reacts to me, or whether she is atttracted to me, at the end of the day, it's her choice, as women are the choosers and they are the sole gatekeepers of relationships and sex. Of course there things as a man you do have control over, eg. your hygiene, your dress sense, your physique and fitness and of obviously your own behaviour.

If the PUA was actually serious about helping dating challenged men, instead of insiulting them and making false assumptions (like you have about me), offer these men constructive and supportive advice, instead of making empty promises and ganging up on them.

Listen very carefully:

Read the material available, read through the various sections on the forum.

Apply!

This is really almost a science. You lead THEM. They follow YOU.

I am more and more getting into NLP, Push Pull etc and it works.

What books have you read?

what videos or courses have you bought?

Thanks for the backhanded insults and shaming language, but that's to be expected from the PUA community, which gets its jollies by ganging up on men like me.

I resent, and find it deeply offensive that you think that's it's all my fault that I find myself challenged by dating, when you have never met me, know what I look like, and or know me personally. For your information up until the last few years I did lead an active social life where I did attempt to meet women, but was met with a barrage of instant rejection, so please don't accuse me of having a bad or dysfunctional personality because how is a woman supposed to know the real me, when she doesn't even give me a chance? Also, I took all the cliched advice dispensed by society, relatives, women, and regrettably some of it from the PUA industry, none of which worked, so you can't accuse me of not trying different methods. I am not making excuses, I am being honest, and knowing my limitations as a man, and the worse thing a man can do, is to lie to himself, and pretend to be something or someone he is not.

And what also makes me angry is when the PUAs and other people blame me for my cursed luck with women, is that I am "damned if I do", and "damned if I don't", which means if I try to meet women and get rejected, you call me a loser, chode, AFC etc, but if I give up, you still call me a loser. When will you PUAs realise that when a woman saids no, she actually means no, what part of the no word don't you understand?, the n or the o?

You PUAs also have to understand that as man I have no control on how a woman reacts to me, or whether she is atttracted to me, at the end of the day, it's her choice, as women are the choosers and they are the sole gatekeepers of relationships and sex. Of course there things as a man you do have control over, eg. your hygiene, your dress sense, your physique and fitness and of obviously your own behaviour.

If the PUA was actually serious about helping dating challenged men, instead of insiulting them and making false assumptions (like you have about me), offer these men constructive and supportive advice, instead of making empty promises and ganging up on them.

Firstly, there's no way in hell I am going to waste my money on PUA crap, I am not that gullible.

I have read "the game" by Neil Strauss, and I have to say he is a very good story teller, and the book is full of half truths and fantasy.

If you want to get all scientific about attraction, you will know that women want to pass on the best possible genes to any offspring they may have, which means women will go after the best looking men. That's not to say ugly or average men can't get women, they can, but it's going to be much harder for them.

Id say that statement is spot on, however, just because good looking is her preferred man, that doesnt mean she cant be attracted to other desirable traits.

Their brains can equate a healthy look for a handsome look.

And while instinct does govern many actions, it;s also thousands and millions of years after the fact. We wear rubbers to prevent genes from being passed at all.

And remember, women have plenty of competiition from other women to nail down those "handsome" guys. They dont always get what they want either.

We would take a playboy model over anything, but we'll also take a nice looking girl who is responsive and nice to us.

Go after whats available to you. And This is the last word Im typing to you cause youi dont appreciate the help.

The Ten Most Dangerous Mistakes YOU Probably Make With Women � And What To Do About It...
Here Are The Top Ten Reasons Why Men Fail With Women � And How To Make Sure YOU Avoid Every One Of These Deadly Common Mistakes...
- By David DeAngelo, Author Of �Double Your Dating�
MISTAKE #1: Being Too Much Of A �Nice Guy�
Have you ever noticed that the really attractive women never seem to be attracted "nice" guys? Of course you have. Just like me, I'm sure you've had attractive female friends that always seemed to date "jerks"... but for some reason they were never romantically interested in YOU.
What's going on here? It's actually very simple...
Women don't base their choices of men on how "nice" a guy is. They choose the men they do because they feel a powerful GUT LEVEL ATTRACTION for them. And guess what? Being nice doesn't make a woman FEEL that powerful ATTRACTION. And being NICE doesn't make a woman CHOOSE you. I realize that this doesn't make a lot of logical sense, and it's hard to ACCEPT... but GET OVER IT. Until you accept this FACT and begin to act on it, you'll NEVER have the success with women that you want.
MISTAKE #2: Trying To �Convince Her To Like You"
What do most guys do when they meet a woman that they REALLY like... but she's just notinterested? Right! They try to "convince" the woman to feel differently.
Well, I have news for you... YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE HOW A WOMAN "FEELS" WHEN IT COMES TO ATTRACTION! Never, ever, EVER. You cannot CONVINCE a woman to feel differently about you with "logic and reasoning". Think about it.
If a woman doesn't "feel it" for you, how in the world do you expect to change that FEELING by being "reasonable" with her? But we all do it. When a woman just isn't interested, we beg, plead, chase, and do our best to change her mind. Bad idea. One that will never work.
MISTAKE #3: Looking To Her For Approval Or Permission
In our desire to please women (which we mistakenly think will make them like us), us guys are always doing things to get a woman's "approval" or "permission". Another HORRIBLE idea. Women are NEVER attracted to the types of men who kiss up to them... EVER.
Don't get me wrong here. You don't have to treat women BADLY for them to like you. But if you think that treating a woman well means "always getting her approval and permission for things", think again. You will never succeed by looking for approval. Women actually get ANNOYED at men who seek their approval.
Doubt me? Just ask any attractive woman if Wussy guys who chase her around and want her approval annoy her...
MISTAKE #4: Trying To �Buy� Her Affection With Food And Gifts
How many times have you taken a woman out to a nice dinner, bought her gifts and flowers, and had her REJECT you for someone who didn't treat her even HALF as well as you did? If you're like me, then you've had it happen a LOT.
Well guess what? It's only NATURAL when this happens... That's right, I said NATURAL. When you do these things, you send a clear message: "I don't think you'll like me for who I am, so I'm going to try to buy your attention and affection".
Your good intentions usually come across to women as over-compensation for insecurity, and weak attempts at manipulation. That's right, I said that women see this as MANIPULATION.
MISTAKE #5: Sharing �How You Feel� Too Early In The Relationship With Her
Another huge and unfortunate mistake that most men make with women is sharing how they "feel" too early on. Attractive women are rare. And they get a LOT of attention from men. Most men don't realize this, but attractive women are being approached in one way or another ALL THE TIME.
An attractive woman is often approached several times a DAY by men who are interested. This translate into dozens of times per week, and often HUNDREDS of times per month.
And guess what? Attractive women have usually dated a LOT of men. That's right. They have EXPERIENCE. They know what to expect. And one thing that turns an attractive women off and sends her running away faster than just about anything is a guy who starts saying "You know, I really, REALLY like you" after one or two dates.
This signals to the woman that you're just like all the other guys who fall for her too fast... and can't control themselves.
Don't do it. Lean back. Relax. There's a much better way...
MISTAKE #6: Not �Getting� How Attraction Works For Women
Women are VERY different from men when it comes to ATTRACTION. You need to accept this fact, and deal with it. When a man sees a beautiful, young, sexy woman, he INSTANTLY feels a sexual attraction.
But does the same apply for women? Do women feel sexual attraction to men based mostly on looks? Or is something else going on? Well, after studying this topic for over five full years now, I can tell you that women usually have their "attraction mechanisms" triggered by things OTHER than looks.
Have you ever noticed that you see a lot more average and unattractive men with beautiful women than the other way around? Think about it.
Women are more attracted to certain qualities in men... and they're attracted to the way a man makes them FEEL than they are to looks alone. If you know how to use your body language and communication correctly, you can make women feel the same kind of powerful sexual attraction to you that YOU feel when you see a hot, sexy young woman. But it's not an accident. You have to LEARN how to do this.
And ANY guy can learn how...
MISTAKE #7: Thinking That It Takes Money And Looks
One of the most common mistakes that guys make is giving up before they've even gotten started... because they think that attractive women are only interested in men who have looks and money... or guys who are a certain height... or guys who are a certain age. And sure, there are some women who are only interested in these things.
But MOST women are far more interested in a man's personality than his wallet or his looks. There are personality traits that attract women like a magnet... And if you learn what they are and how to use them, YOU can be one of these guys.
YOU DO NOT have to "settle" for a woman just because you aren't rich, tall, or handsome.
Let me say this again: If you know how to use your body language and communication correctly, you can make women feel the same kind of powerful sexual attraction to you that YOU feel when you see a hot, sexy young woman.
MISTAKE #8: SPAM All Of Your Power To Women
Earlier I mentioned that it's a mistake to look to a woman for approval or permission. Well, another similar tactic that a lot of guys use is SPAM THEIR POWER to women. Said differently, guys try to get women to like them by doing whatever the woman wants. Another bad idea...
Women are NEVER attracted to men that they can walk all over...Women aren't attracted to Wussies!
MISTAKE #9: Not Knowing EXACTLY What To Do In Each Type Of Situation With Women
Now I'm going to blow your mind... A woman ALWAYS knows what you're thinking. Women are approximately TEN TIMES better than men at reading body language. That's ten TIMES.
I know, it might be hard to believe. But for example, if you're out on a date with a woman, and you want to kiss her, she knows it. And if you don't know exactly what to do and exactly HOW to kiss her, and you just sit there looking at her and getting nervous, she won't help!
And this goes for ALL aspects of women and dating... Approaching a woman, getting her number, asking her out, kissing her, getting physical... everything. If you don't know what to do in each situation, you will probably screw it up... and LOSE EVERYTHING. And you KNOW it.
It is VITALLY important that you know EXACTLY how to go from one step to the next with a woman... from the first meeting, all the way to the bedroom.
MISTAKE #10: Not Getting HELP
This is the biggest mistake of all. This is the mistake that keeps most men from EVER having the kind of success with women that they truly want. I know, guys don't like to make themselves look weak or helpless. We don't like to ask for help.
Hey, I've been there myself. Let me tell you a little about me and how I figured out how to be successful with women... About five years ago I became fed up with the fact that I didn't know how to approach, meet, and get dates with women that I was attracted to. It frustrated the hell out of me.
One night I was out with a friend, and I saw a woman I wanted to ask out, but I just couldn't get up the nerve to do it. I can still remember that night... right on the spot I made the decision to do whatever it took to learn how to be successful with women and dating.
Well, after a lot of hard work and trying all kinds of crazy things, I finally figured it all out. I can now approach just about any woman and get her number almost instantly. I've dated models, I've dated actresses, and I've dated nice, normal, regular girls as well.
It has been a very rewarding experience. I no longer feel that sick, insecure feeling... like I don't know how to meet women... and I might wind up alone. I know that anytime, anywhere, I can go out and meet attractive women.
I've written a book on the topic, and I've done seminars on both coasts of the United States... and taught tens of thousands of men all around the world.
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I've spent a lot of time, effort, and energy writing this eBook. I wanted to design and create a program that ANY guy could easily understand and start using IMMEDIATELY to meet and date more women... without having to lie, do dishonest things, or be "manipulative".