Thanks man!

Well my gf really messed up here! I'm sure she is happy because everything is back to normal "or so she thinks" but all she has done is open my eye to reality, and turned me back into the guys I was when we met, the PUA me, I no longer trust my gf like I did and she has lost some of my respect, I also am reminded that all women make decisions based on emotions and then justify their action after they have screwed up.

My gf has basically taken the luxury of having the "ideal bf" and turned me into a skeptic, I wont be bitter or jealous but there will be more questions asked from now on, I will speak my mind much more often and if I don't agree with something she will know right away and I will let it be known that I am not happy!

I will also let her know that she has re opened my eyes to how things are and how women make decisions (she knew I was a PUA before we met) and that her word alone cant be taken seriously....in the past she has said one thing and done another and I put up with it but I no longer will do this!

It might sounds like I am bitter but Im not at all! I will still treat her with respect, and work at our relationship, but I am aware that it does not take much for a women to go astray!

How long will she stay at the new place? If its for a long time then you are stuck at a submissive position due to driving 2 hours there and 2 hours back just for her. I don't see how it could possibly workout but it's a learning experience.

I'm not stuck doing anything, she can come here as well but most weekend I will go there because the city she is moving to has a much better night life! id rather be there on the weekends.

I am basically going to tell her that she has made me realize some things that I had forgotten, I'm going to take the lead and let her know that I am skeptical of a "fairy tail" relationship, and that I understand how women make decisions, her ignoring me and running off for the weekend without telling me were she was going is a perfect example of an emotional decision that was not done with any logical think at all! if she is able to do that after almost 4 years what eles would she do if in a poor emotional state? It does not bother me in the least to express my feelings about how I feel, what I want from her, and what I expect. I'm not going to control her, she can do what she wants but I might not stick around next time....if she tries to put me in the "submissive" role then I will simply tell her its not going to happen and I don't play games like that.

It's good to be open and honest but do you really think she can be the same with you and that you actually want a marriage with her?

You have invested so much that it's really hard to cut your losses. Are you European? You probably thought you were being a man and taking care of your girl, fixing her life, etc. It's an understandable mentality, however that way of life does not work in this generation. Things have changed a lot. If you don't adapt properly to the current times then you will keep suffering.

She is young and immature. Be careful how you tell her all these things as well, you don't want to sound too cynical and not trusting cause it will cause issues in the future. Focus more on yourself from now on and don't make any unnecessary sacrifices that you may end up regretting. It's your world she's welcome to live in, not hers.

Yeah I am focusing on my self and I wont say I thing until she asks....which she will. I will do my own thing, stop doing so much for her, and if or when she comes to me and asks me what wrong I will tell her exactly what I think, I have nothing to hide, she knows my back round and that how I think, when we first started dating I was very critical of relationships and women for this reason, she knew that and told me she loved me and would never take advantage of me ect ect....well she did and now I know I was right to think the way I did.

Live and learn!

So you are saying you would cut your losses and bail? even if she was putting an effort and doing what you asked? Just curious? how do you feel?

Here's what I would do. I wouldn't dump her right away if I invested that much cause it would probably hurt and would make you feel used. I would realize my mistakes, and start building a life for myself. I would never lower my value for her again no matter what.

I would workout more since it helps you mentally and physically. I would probably do some research on relationships to be more informed. Wolfwood posted a good book a while ago. I would assume that the relationship would not work out which can give you freedom. I would dominate her mentally and fuck her brains out. Tell her I own that pussy.

I would train myself to have better control of my emotions, work on my weaknesses. I would also prioritize my goals and ambitions. They come first. I am a man of principle. I would keep working on creating a great life to be proud of. One that she is lucky to be part of and support. I would work on any insecurities and weaknesses I have, strive to learn what you need.

At that point you will have unstoppable confidence which will make life and decisions much easier.

It sounds like a lot but you have to break it down to small achievable goals that may take a week or two to do, then move to the next goal and look forward to recovering, building a life and getting your composure back. You will be a much better man and no girl will ever overpower you again like that. Be as positive and productive as you can.

There may come a point where you know its not working with her. You can either just bang her good while seeing other high quality women, or dump her if the former option hurts your inner game.

I hear ya man good advice! the working out thing is no issue because I am a personal trainer haha im about 5"11 200lbs, very into working out!

The way I see it is that all women seem to be the same, they get bored easy, make emotional decisions, and lie to them self and to us about what they want. I women can tell her self "I love him forever! and I would never cheat" and within a week cheat on her bf or husband if she is in a weak emotional state....sad sad stuff! at times I feel like it might be easier to be single, I love my gf to death! but its a shock to me that I was treated so poorly and with such a lack of respect this past weekend, after how much she told me she loved me, and how long we have been together, it shows me that no matter what you do for a women, no matter how close you think your bond is they can never be trusted 100%! I thought this way before I met my gf which is why I didn't date, but when I met my gf I thought "shes different"....well boy was I wrong!

In the end the only thing we truly have control over is our self and I understand that now! We have to take care of our self, build our self's up so that at no point are we weak or valueless!

I know what you mean about women being emotional but try not too be pessimistic about women despite everything otherwise you risk losing some respect for all women and maybe even develop some hatred for them. I think what you're going through is normal for a PUA. You see things differently and as much as you wanna be optimistic about women, personal experience and friends' situations sometimes pushes you to not trust women or take them seriously.

Remember, there are still lots of girls with principles, but you wont find many of them that go clubbing, etc. Western society seems to breed lower qualities of women nowadays.

You're a personal trainer right, I guess your outergame is tight and normally girls would be jealous of you doing something but since you've sacrificed so much for her and gave her so much value, she knew that she had you by the balls, so no challenge or risk and thus attraction died out.

Knowing how women think and operate can work to your advantage. Look around and you will find ways to train your girlfriends to appreciate you, be attracted and focused on you. There are even ways to mindfuck a girl into being obsessed with you but I don't recommend that. Give it some time and it will all come together. You're still young.

I total shut her out tonight! we had a good night when she got home from work, then we got on the topic of religion which then led some how to how I felt women are easy to manipulate into cheating....she then turned that around on me and started a fight about me saying that she is dumb and easy to manipulate ect ect, she tried to get me to bend and I basically told her she was putting words in my mouth and that its my opinion so if she doesn't like it that's not my problem. I then kind of ignored her the rest of the night....i can tell she felt very awkward and un comfortable about this! but i was not mean, just kind of ignored her and did my own thing.

In a way it feel empowering! and in another I feel odd and numb, kind of disappointed that she could treat me the way she did, and disappointed that our relationship was not strong as I thought (at least not on her end), she might have ruined a really good thing! all because she let her emotions guide her, and she couldn't support me during a busy time in my life....the true colors come out when a relationship is tested!

p.s she seems to be making a lot of demands of me! If we are talking about something she will spin it around on me to make it sound like im attacking her, then say "I don't like when you do that" or "I don't want you to do that".

Im taking these as major shit tests on her part? to see what she can get away with? I think she feels she can bully me and make me look like the bad guy or she is trying to take back control?

Im staying calm, laughing it off, and telling her im entitled to an opinion and if she doesn't want to hear it then don't expect me to listen to her opinion. Its so crazy how persistent she is! shes not backing down easy thats for sure! lol

Update:

Hey guys! I would like to thank all of you for your advice! and thank you for giving me a smack across the face in some of your posts! lol something I really needed!

Any way my gf and I have talked things out, we had a really good talk in which she told me that she was no longer as attracted to me as she once was and that she feels stupid because im the perfect bf, I treat her amazing, and Im everything a girl would want yet she just doesn't feel that attraction she once did, I then told her I understand, Im not mad, and that I know why she feels that way, I told her that if she felt she didn't want to be with me any more I understand and actually agree with her, I told her that I know who I am, I know Im a good bf, I have a lot to offer, and if she does not want to be with me then I would end it right there and find someone who would treat me with more respect in the future and who wants the same things in life, she then started crying and said "no no I want to be with you, I just want you to be your self, be like you were when I met you....it was really hard for me to tell you this because i didn't want to hurt you" then I told her I need to think about things.

Once I had a chance to think I told her I want to have a relationship still, but that I am taking a step back and am not investing so much of my self into "us", also that she needs to re gain my trust and be honest and open if things are going to work, basically said that actions speak louder then words. I went on to tell her that this experience has shown me what happens when a person invests to much into a relationship, and also that women can be led my emotion instead of common sens at times, that she put her self in a vulnerable position when she was gone for the weekend, that we are all capable of cheating and although she didn't do anything it was the fact that she put her self in a situation were she knew something could have happen, then I told her I am back to thinking the way I did when I was a PUA (she knows about my past) and that I now have a clear head.

She agreed with me, didn't seem to argue with anything I said and admitted if I was to run away for the weekend after an argument, party with a bunch of girls, and drink all weekend she would be very upset! she admitted it was wrong.

Things are much much better now! this week she has been happy, cuddling, trying to spend more time with me, sex has been great! and she is acting like she did when we first met, she is also talking about plans for our future, I am treating her very well! but I am not talking about our future, marriage or any thing like that!

I even put a board up in our house of things I want to accomplish in the next year, all of which are things that have to do with my career, my life, ect ect.

This experience has taught me a lot! and I will take this and be able to help others in the future!

im amazed at how uninformed/clueless you were after supposedly being a PUA prior to this relationship.

this girl must really like you after you blamed her so much when in reality you are 100% responsible for turning beta during the course of your relationship and causing the attraction to fade.

verbally explaining to her that you will now invest less because youve 'seen what happens' when you invest too much, is sad and pathetic. your basically making an excuse for yourself.

oh well, good luck.

No you got it wrong brother, we all make mistakes, and yes I was a damb good pua!

p.s It should be no surprised, I told her what was on my mind, I didnt really care what she thought, if she said I was an asshole I would tell her we are done, I did to much catering to her needs and feelings and it was what she needed to hear!

It worked, just as it has always worked, perhaps it sounds harsh but I dont really care its what I wanted to say, and what she needed to hear.

I also did not say it in those exact words, It was a 2 hour conversation, in which we talked about a lot!

Its not what you say but how you say it, and if you can master that you can usually get your point across!